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Re: morel cult thread [Re: Workman] * 1
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Workman said:
AcidHorse said:
- Notes on the Development of the Morel Ascocarp: MORCHELLA ESCULENTA, R, Ower

At the end of this period, i.e., approximately 1-3 days after hydration, morel primordia start to form. Primordia are spherical hyphal aggregates which are about one millimeter in diameter. Within a few days, the primordia form protuberances which represent the first sign of ascocarp fundament formation.

- United States Patent 4594809


The cup-like structures in the image do not appear to be spherical and are much larger than 1 mm.  From the images I have seen, morel primordia start out as a very tiny fuzzy ball that soon shoots out a tiny morel from the center.



It just looks like the lighting is messing with things, its hard to tell what those are.


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Re: morel cult thread [Re: metalhead] * 1
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metalhead said:
from searching articles on the internet this one as from an interview with mills and berglund(haha that's funy that's my last name)there was a copy of that article here on the shroomery i can't find it again though and yeah they lied. what do you think the mostlikely canidate for that microbe is?



AAAAAAAh I found the thread on here: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=5226687&fpart=2

Yeah apparently they don't know how to use the word sclerotia, its not singular but plural, so when they said sterilized they probably meant pasteurized. They probably don't know the difference between the two words. Its an obvious newb.


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Re: morel cult thread [Re: AcidHorse] * 1
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just wonderin what does morel myc look like i got a couple cultures and when i grew them out on a petri they started off as thin rizos really light and now itt raised up off the plate like cobweb is this how morel myc is or is it contamed? it was slower and not as tall as cobweb so i don't kno.please help.


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Re: morel cult thread [Re: metalhead] * 1
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anybody have a morel culture/lc i can trade for/ buy?


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metalhead said:
just wonderin what does morel myc look like i got a couple cultures and when i grew them out on a petri they started off as thin rizos really light and now itt raised up off the plate like cobweb is this how morel myc is or is it contamed? it was slower and not as tall as cobweb so i don't kno.please help.












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Re: morel cult thread [Re: AcidHorse] * 1
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heres a shot of morels on agar



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Re: morel cult thread [Re: greys] * 1
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Morel mycelium is very wispy, and it grows extremely fast.

-Graham


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Re: morel cult thread [Re: greys] * 1
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Yeah I have some pictures like that too.

But I got some nice photos of what's going on underneath the leaves right now.




Dutchman's Breeches or Squirrel Corn sprouting



A small green seedling plant



I need an ID on this plant. It looks sort of like Ground Ivy but I dunno.



I'm wondering what mushrooms these are growing in the wintertime.



Eastern hardwood forest, where yellow and black morels grow.



Some of the ground clutter, you could possibly get an idea of what kind of trees are there; beech, oak, maple

Oh yeah I dug up some dirt from these woods.
Strange thing, I thought it would be a thick compact soil but hell no, it was soft and not like clay, lots of air spaces kind of like peat but not peat. There is clay and silt there but not like everyone would think. Morels would either be growing out of this, off a beechnut hust, a twig buried in the ground partially, around the side of a stone or some other configuration.
Its not a particularly dark soil either, and the darker it is the more nutrient rich it is. And the lighter the lesser.


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Re: morel cult thread [Re: AcidHorse] * 1
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This is what those yellowish corn things grow to become.
Of course this picture is not one of my own that I took. But off a website.







This is important because I mentioned "depressions" before where water could possibly remain or "stand" and this is what I meant. I found
some huge blonde morels around here. Not only that but this is on the outskirts of the woods near a road where the tree population thins out a little. I'd like to post that pic too. But I'm worried it might reveal my spot.



And here is what I meant by how the trails have a slight dip to them side to side.
Last year the morels, yellows and blacks were hugging the sides of these trails.



The view directly towards the southwest see where the winds from the southwest with their rainstorms come from?
FAE baby and plenty of moisture. And you can tell there is a slight slant or decline.



what mushroom?



A very good picture of that Ivy and the types of tree leaves there.



That Ground Ivy-ish plant you can see that it is a creeper and that is part of the root system. I've found morels attached to these things before, (just like the Dutchman's) , but not all the time.



This last photo is interesting. I found loads of morels near this thing, yellows and blacks a small distance away but half-frees were all over it.
Is there something about it that corresponds with what we know?


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Re: morel cult thread [Re: AcidHorse] * 1
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the first mushrooms in your posts are gymnopus dryophilus.


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Re: morel cult thread [Re: greys] * 1
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I believe Gary Mills is using a bacteria either way you look at it.
Whether its to get a correct form of sclerotia with the size and maturity, or to get the mushrooms to fruit.

possibilities are:

1) bacteria causes morel mycelia to form larger swollen sclerotia. :thumbup:
2) bacteria causes morel mycelia or helps morel mycelia to form a temporary symbiosis with small plants to form larger swollen sclerotia
3) bacteria causes morel mycelia or helps morel mycelia to form a temporary symbiosis with small plants to induce fruiting
4) bacteria induces fruiting (unlikely? :rolleyes:)

And some other far out, out on a limb, and pretty thin stuff:

1) another type of fungi causes morel mycelia to form larger swollen sclerotia. :thumbup:
2) another type of fungi causes morel mycelia or helps morel mycelia to form a temporary symbiosis with small plants to form larger swollen sclerotia
3) another type of fungi causes morel mycelia or helps morel mycelia to form a temporary symbiosis with small plants to induce fruiting
4) another type of fungi causes morel mycelia to fruit

Reason being is that a lot of imperfecti fungi have been discovered to be asexual stages of other ascomycetes or fungi,
And if there was a chromosomal situation going on...one being male and the other female, haploid, diploid, heterokaryo...whatever
Then that would be why its been impossible to fruit.

But this is far out. Thin.


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Re: morel cult thread [Re: greys] * 1
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"The Beech requires a thoroughly drained soil, and accordingly flourishes on high ground, whether calcareous or sandy. Its gray stems may thus be seen--often of great girth--throwing out their spreading roots."

http://www.2020site.org/trees/beech.html

Wow. Sounds about like the same type of habitat that the morels need.

I identified those leaves in the pictures: beech, white oak, and sugar maple


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Re: morel cult thread [Re: greys] * 1
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http://www.espacionatural.com/4images/img541.htm?sessionid=7e43632da9193c0bc70cd36827568641


Here's something unusual. Would you classify it as an esculenta or a type of black morel?

Its funny how the french and the spanish liberally name the species of morels. If it has a zit on its face they would name it
Morchella acne vulgaris, or if it has poka dots Morchella esculenta var. (insert appropriate latin name).

They don't understand that morels are subject to environmental and ecological factors that affect and mutate their overall
morphology. Meaning that compositions of different minerals or organic chemicals could adversely affect their appearance.


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Re: morel cult thread [Re: AcidHorse] * 1
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Esculenta,  Blacks tend to have a tanner stem/stipe and judging by the  foliage its almost to late for blacks.
    CH


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Re: morel cult thread [Re: AcidHorse] * 1
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those are esculenta clade morels. they will eventually turn into yellows.


beech trees mainly host black morels.

maple trees produce yellows..although not as prodigiously as and ash or elm.

white oaks are not a great morel tree...much better for grifola frondosa.


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Re: morel cult thread [Re: greys] * 1
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greysRDbest said:
those are esculenta clade morels. they will eventually turn into yellows.



Those are morels from Spain.
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beech trees mainly host black morels.

maple trees produce yellows..although not as prodigiously as and ash or elm.

white oaks are not a great morel tree...much better for grifola frondosa.


So what are you trying to do, downgrade the woods I find morels in?
They are producing a hell of a lot of morels. Just as much as those ash or elms.
You've never been there so you don't know.

Besides it has a lot to do with soil too.


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Re: morel cult thread [Re: CH HELL] * 1
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Maybe but these are morels in Spain.

Look at the elongated lateral pits on them, which is characteristic of black morels.

But back on to that topic on how the euros are liberal when it comes to scientific names.

Well when it comes to morels, morels respond to things much like we do.




Now I wonder what the euros will call him?

Homosapien Blueberricus?

OH MY, he must be a new species or a totally different species.

However you might classify that grey morel as M. esculenta but the spaniards will classify it as Morchella elatoides, as it is that way on that site's page.


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Re: morel cult thread [Re: AcidHorse] * 1
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i tell you what acid horse. you hunt a white oak woods during morel season..ill hunt an elm woods and we'll post results.

its a fact. predominantly oak woods do not produce as many morels as trees like ash ( particularly green and black ash) elm, tulip poplar and black cherry.

the reason maple trees may not produce as many morels is because they are associated with yellows (M crassipes) that arrive late in the season and things are dicier in terms- heat index might shoot way up..snowmelt moisture is gone and rain doesnt come when it should there are alot of factors that come into play in the late season that deter the last flush of yellows from coming.

many many trees host morels- some produce much better than others- ive found morels associated with sassafrass and hedgeapple, but i dont go road trolling looking for those trees. i look for the above mentioned others because they ensure success and quantity.

as far as soil type...morels hate clay although black tolerarate it a little better than yellows and in general morels really love "black sand". rich , sandy, limey black soil.
its why michigan and wisconsin are two of the leading midwest states in morel production- practically all the soils north of grand rapids fit this description.

i wasnt "downgrading" your woods, stop being so defensive.


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Re: morel cult thread [Re: greys] * 1
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HEY I have a hang over.

Don't you see that under my avatar?
Literally its a contradiction, because technically it isn't hanging over it.


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Re: morel cult thread [Re: AcidHorse] * 1
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in my area i find mostly black morels. starting off the season are the verpas which as you all know aren't true morels but they are edible all the same i find hundreds of thousands of them under cottonwoods in the same spots yearly. next i find the greys (sub strain of blacks?) in the gravel and sandy soil under cottonwoods along the county road where the snowplow scrapes. next the first blacks start to show these are generally fairly small. again under cottonwoods. next the giant blacks(i have found these almost 6 in in diam and 5 in tall) under cottonwoods. next the half free along the road in cottonwoods. next the yellows.(i rarely find these) under cottonwoods generally in the open. finally the giant yellows which we are all fermilliar (did i spell that right?)with. under cottonwoods in the open. the bigger blacks look like this.

my point is i find all the normal morels in cottonwood forests and i have never found a single morel under old apple trees and the only other places i have found them is burns and logging skid trails etc. alond with a few here and there under pine and cedar.
we could argue about this all day but the fact is we are all going to mostlikely find the same kind of morels in all different habitats depending on your location. mabee you don't find morels under a certain tree in your area and someone else finds a shitload in that same tree litter somewhere else. the fact is morels grow when and where they damn well please. oh and the soil i find 99% of morels in is sandy soil with a top layer of decayed leaves under cotton woods, and along roads and shit i find on average of 200 to 300 morels a year and the season usually lasts about 2- 3 wks. sorry for the rant let's get back to discussing and what not about cracking the patent. we've already gained alot of info that we didn't have before so either way we have made progress. let's keep at it.:thumbup::mushroom2:


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