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Re: morel cult thread [Re: metalhead] * 1
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I was told to extract the sclerotia with a knife!  I don't know about the rest of the jar contents.  I was planning on tossing mine into spawn bags and then covering them with pasteurized gravel and leaf litter/sawdust/whatever I can find.


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Re: morel cult thread [Re: Paresthesia] * 1
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i nearly shit when i read this the article is "morel mushroom evolution a knol by gary novak".


Morel mycelium feeds on bacteria which are highly abundant in early spring soil. Pseudomonas fluorescens appears to be the primary species of bacteria providing nutrients for the morel. It breaks down proteinous debris released by thawing ice in the spring. It readily releases its nutrients to plants through autolysis, which means self-breakdown. However, this does not normally occur until late in the spring, while the morel does much of its growing early in the spring. Therefore, the morel induces autolysis in Pseudomonads by releasing small amounts of acid, which it would normally do in its ancestral form as a yeast.
Oh yeah!:rockon:


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Re: morel cult thread [Re: Paresthesia] * 1
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Most of my sclerotia were at the surface or above, sticking to the glass walls, so I took a knife to get them out to inoculate more jars. If you have them all around, you can pour everything into a bag and separate sclerotia from the rest by hand.
In my experiments the used substrate didn't produce more sclerotia by itself. Perhaps you can use to inoculate fresh substrate. I just bury it outside or in plant pots.

Carsten

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Re: morel cult thread [Re: metalhead] * 1
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Be careful. Gary Novaks theories appeared logical for me when I started reading about morel cultivation, but it didn't lead me anywhere. I think he is just talented in explaining what he believes in. Better stay sceptical or read more from him, for example what he thinks about physics and the universe. Then you'll know what I mean.

Most, if not all of your questions about growing sclerotia are answered here:

"Physiological and Environmental Studies of Sclerotium Formation and Maturation in Isolates of Morchella crassipes"
http://aem.asm.org/cgi/reprint/55/12/3095.pdf

"Maitake and Morels"
http://www.rirdc.gov.au/reports/AFO/04-024.pdf

Please read them too.


Carsten

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Re: morel cult thread [Re: Mycelio] * 1
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Okay, this is a real noob question here.  When collecting wild morels, has anyone tried directly transferring mycelium or growing stem butts out on cardboard?  Cardboard spawn could just be layered over trays of gravel covering a nutrient source.  You could probably get away with using manure or compost.  So... by layer...

"Duff" mixture
Cardboard spawn sheet
Gravel
Compost/Manure

This could also be a good use of my "spent" rye grass.


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Re: morel cult thread [Re: metalhead] * 1
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metalhead said:
i nearly shit when i read this the article is "morel mushroom evolution a knol by gary novak".


Morel mycelium feeds on bacteria which are highly abundant in early spring soil. Pseudomonas fluorescens appears to be the primary species of bacteria providing nutrients for the morel. It breaks down proteinous debris released by thawing ice in the spring. It readily releases its nutrients to plants through autolysis, which means self-breakdown. However, this does not normally occur until late in the spring, while the morel does much of its growing early in the spring. Therefore, the morel induces autolysis in Pseudomonads by releasing small amounts of acid, which it would normally do in its ancestral form as a yeast.
Oh yeah!:rockon:


Yeah but you got to watch out with Gary Novak, he most likely got that information from a college mycological journal and reiterated without references or citations. Plus the fact he's weird, like psychologically unstable; he snubbed me and told me "when you pay homeage to your gods" meaning Volk and Mills "You pay homeage to frauds" or something similar to that. Volk read what Novak sent to me in a message and said "yep he's full of misinformation" and yadidda yadidda. Novak's an asshole and he's cracked. Plus he has an unusual obsession with yeasts. Next time around he'll base everything on Candida.

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Re: morel cult thread [Re: metalhead] * 1
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metalhead said:
alright say we get some really nice sized sclerotia in our jars(what size are looking for?)than what? and second if we get soil where we find them in the spring do you replace the wood mulch layer with it?



1-The whole mulch layer or whatever, almost totally or virtually enmeshed in the sclerotia, so REALLY huge.

2-That or supplement the soil with new pasteurized wood mulch.


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Re: morel cult thread [Re: metalhead] * 1
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metalhead said:
and with the jars how do you get the sclerotia out and what do you do with the rest of the jars contents


It doesn't matter how you get it out. It can be cut out in clumps if needed. And the rest of the jar contents? I guess use it as spawn, refrigerate it.


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Re: morel cult thread [Re: AcidHorse] * 1
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i got like four diff morel CULTURES AND WHAT NOT COMIN IN THE MAIL! I CAN'T WAIT TO GET STARTED AGAIN! THE WOOD AREA IS WHAT WE ARE LOOKING TO GET COVERED IN SCLEROTIA? OR WILL IT SPREAD TO MOST OF THE CULTURE? THANKS IN ADVANCE MAN.


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Re: morel cult thread [Re: metalhead] * 1
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metalhead said:
i got like four diff morel CULTURES AND WHAT NOT COMIN IN THE MAIL! I CAN'T WAIT TO GET STARTED AGAIN! THE WOOD AREA IS WHAT WE ARE LOOKING TO GET COVERED IN SCLEROTIA? OR WILL IT SPREAD TO MOST OF THE CULTURE? THANKS IN ADVANCE MAN.


Hopefully the whole thing. The more the better. But yeah the wood area. This way you don't mistakenly move any nutrients along with the wood, i.e. loose grain kernels.


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Re: morel cult thread [Re: AcidHorse] * 1
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merry xmas shroomery!


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Re: morel cult thread [Re: AcidHorse] * 1
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Great thread.  I really need to start some indoor experiments.  It seems funny that no one on any boards has produce a single picture of a successful morel grow (beyond those related to Mills).

In my experience with prepared outdoor beds, I often see disk shaped ascomycetes (also noted in Stamets).  If you look carefully at the picture below you can see what appears to be abundant small disk fungi growing along with the morels.  This combined with the plants is a clue that the conditions of the casing is not sterile and maybe not even pasteurized.



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Re: morel cult thread [Re: Workman] * 1
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Workman,

Those are primordia and they are spherical. I think at least because that's what Ower and Mills had described.

Spherical formations.

I think the lighting is playing tricks on you, making it look concave instead of convex.

Look just under his arm and you see one from a side profile.


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Re: morel cult thread [Re: AcidHorse] * 1
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Hmmm, maybe.  The image isn't exactly clear.  I do see the occasional morel primordia in the mix but some of those larger ones are very disk-like and I haven't seen any indication that a morel primordia is that shape.


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Re: morel cult thread [Re: Workman] * 1
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I agree Workman, It appears to be some sort of cup fungi.

-Graham


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Re: morel cult thread [Re: Workman] * 1
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The earliest ascocarp primordium seen appeared as an aggregate, 1 mm diam, of radially arrayed hyphae (FIG. 1) and arose from a single hypha. As development continued, the tuft of mycelium produced a dense interwoven core, and adventitious hyphae extended from the lower surface of the primordial base. Shortly thereafter (next day in this sequence) an apothecial fundament began protruding from the surface of the spherical primordium (FIG. 2).

- Notes on the Development of the Morel Ascocarp: MORCHELLA ESCULENTA, R, Ower

At the end of this period, i.e., approximately 1-3 days after hydration, morel primordia start to form. Primordia are spherical hyphal aggregates which are about one millimeter in diameter. Within a few days, the primordia form protuberances which represent the first sign of ascocarp fundament formation.

- United States Patent 4594809


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Edited by AcidHorse (12/26/08 09:17 PM)

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Morel Cultivation seminar Jan 24th-25th [Re: metalhead] * 1
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I got this off the BAMS yahoo email messageboard.

im seriously thinking about going.

if i do  go..hope to see some of you there.

#1. Learn to Grow Morel (Mochella) Mushrooms
January 24-25 th, 2009. 9:00am – 4:00pm
Location: UC Berkeley Life Science Building (VLSB), Room 3030
(Field-trip to Bay Area Mushroom Farms on the Second Day)
This two-day workshop is on learning to grow Morels and cultivation
techniques, taught by UC Berkeley mycologist Mo-Mei Chen. She will
introduce her new "Fungi Treasures" book -230 species for Wild Edible
and Cultivation Species. It demonstrates that anyone can learn to
grow edible Morels using personal facilities.
This special two-day, "hands-on" mushroom workshop will introduce
participants to Morel, focus on the cultivation techniques, utilize
the productive strains both from China and Californian to test with
substrate and menu, made known what environmental needed to grow
them. We will give lecture series on the biology of Mochella, the
ecological conditions of wild Morels collection and Morel expert Mr
Tan's Morel artificial mass productions in Sichuan, China.
Laboratory session is on techniques for Morel spawn production: media
preparation, isolation and inoculation methods. In class, each
participant will join hands-on Morel spawning: preparing media,
spreading spawn culture and mixing media, etc.
On the Monday morning (26th January) participants will have the
opportunity to take a guided tour to Bay Area fantastic Mushroom
Farms.
Course fee, $200, includes delicious mushroom lunches for both days,
class reading booklets, Morel and Oyster mother culture in tubes that
participants can continue the practice by you own.

Registration information
If you decide to participate on the workshop, please send a $200
check title write to UC Regents (space is limited, first come first
serve so please register with us early). The envelope should address
to:
Mo-Mei Chen
1001 Valley Life Science Building
University and Jepson Herbaria, UC Berkeley
Berkeley, CA 94720

#2. Learn to Grow Anti-Cancer Ling Zhi (Ganoderma lucidum) Mushrooms
Feb. 14- 15, 2009. 9:00am – 4:00pm
Location: UC Berkeley Life Science Building (VLSB), Room 3030
(Field-trip to San Francisco Herbs Stores on the Second Day)
This two-day workshop is on learning to grow Anti-Cancer Ling Zhi
fungus and cultivation techniques, taught by mycologist Mo-Mei Chen.
She will introduce her new "Fungi Treasures" book -230 species for
Wild Edible and Cultivation Species It demonstrates that anyone can
learn to grow mushrooms for personal or commercial use.
Mushrooms are not only used in cooked foods but also in drinks and
pharmaceutical products. This special two-day, "hands on" mushroom
workshop will introduce participants to the medicinal fungi studies
of Lin Zhi (Ganoderma lucidum), Chong Cao (Cordyceps sinensis), Yong
Chong Cao (Cordyceps militaris), White Wood Ear (Tremella
fuciformis), Fu Ling (Poria cocos) and Zhu Ling (Glofora umbellata),
Maitake ( Grifola frondosa) and teach participants how to set up a
medicinal anti-cancer Lin Zhi farm at home. Lecture topics will
include Basiomycota biology, Ling Zhi cultivation techniques, what
environmental conditions needed to grow them and a discussion of
medicinal mushrooms that found worldwide with a focus on the San
Francisco Bay Area. We will discuss about mushrooms, review new
information on their many uses, and learn their nutritional and
medicinal values. Laboratory session is on techniques for spawn
production: media preparation, isolation and inoculation methods. In
class, each participant will produce a Ling Zhi kit and a delicious
Oyster kit to take home for incubation and personal harvest.
On the second day of the course, participants will have the
opportunity to take a guided visit of one wonderfully mushroom
factory to study mushroom growing farm and another guided visit a
herbs stores in San Francisco Chinatown to study the medicinal fungi
and herbs in a market-place setting.
Course fee, $200, includes delicious mushroom lunches for both days,
class reading book-lets and Ling Zhi and Oyster mother culture in
tubes that participants can practice at home.
Registration information
If you decide to participate on the workshop, please send a $200
write check title to UC Regents (space is limited, first come first
serve so please register with us early). The envelope should address
to:
Mo-Mei Chen
1001 Valley Life Science Building
University and Jepson Herbaria, UC Berkeley
Berkeley, CA 94720


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Re: Morel Cultivation seminar Jan 24th-25th [Re: greys] * 1
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Holy shit.  I could totally fly out there for that.  I'm not kidding.

But that would just be insane!


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Re: morel cult thread [Re: metalhead] * 1
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this is what i got

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Re: morel cult thread [Re: AcidHorse] * 1
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AcidHorse said:
- Notes on the Development of the Morel Ascocarp: MORCHELLA ESCULENTA, R, Ower

At the end of this period, i.e., approximately 1-3 days after hydration, morel primordia start to form. Primordia are spherical hyphal aggregates which are about one millimeter in diameter. Within a few days, the primordia form protuberances which represent the first sign of ascocarp fundament formation.

- United States Patent 4594809


The cup-like structures in the image do not appear to be spherical and are much larger than 1 mm.  From the images I have seen, morel primordia start out as a very tiny fuzzy ball that soon shoots out a tiny morel from the center.


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