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Re: Experimental supplementation of substrate
    #90627 - 11/30/99 05:59 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Sounds good. With such rich substrates, I wouldn't depend on the peroxide to fully protect it. The peroxide would no doubt help, but I don't think it could replace sterile technique. I do think that if you are somewhat careful, this could work fine. Just remember, the pans seem to be a lot more susceptable to contams than cubes. You might want to try it with some cubes as well.

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Re: Experimental supplementation of substrate
    #90630 - 12/02/99 09:45 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Why do you want to make manue more nutritious? Its already one of the best substrates for growing magic, natures best. And from what ive read on other educational websites about mushrooms, Mycelium colonizes substrate by running through it, which is why manure is such a good susbstrate to use becuause it has already been broken down, and is easily to colonize. Adding wheat bran to the substrate will make it more prone to contam's
and slow down the growth. But hey, this is just my opinion on the subject.


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Re: Experimental supplementation of substrate
    #90631 - 12/03/99 12:00 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

I ran side by side tests of enriching the substrate of Pan cyans a few months ago. The basic substrate was 2:1 horse manure:vermiculite. I had some 1/2 pint jars basic, some jars enriched with 1 tbls. BRF, some with 2 tbls.

The enriched jars grew thicker looking mycelium but fruiting was delayed and in a couple cases prevented altogether. The enriched jars didn't produce any more than non-enriched and they took longer to do it.

So, my preference now is straight horse shit/vermiculite. I'm growing edibles now but if I ever do a run of Pans again, I would test mixing manure/chopped straw ratios. I wouldn't get the substate too nutritious, it seems to be counter prooductive.



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Re: Experimental supplementation of substrate
    #90632 - 12/03/99 11:41 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Perhaps there is a misconception here. You aren't trying to grow really big pumpkins or luxuriant spinach. High-nutrient environments reduce the need for mushrooms to breed. They need to be put under some sort of stress. If they are encouraged to revel in a rich diet, they may not see the point in producing fruiting bodies. And there are some indications in the literature that potency actually decreases with high nutrient substrates.


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Re: Experimental supplementation of substrate
    #90633 - 12/03/99 01:15 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Here is where I am coming from on this supplementation thing. The pan trops are so damned small, it would seem that something should help them get to a better size. I mean ,half a gram pers shroom wet is pretty small. You may be right, that the whole thing of supplementing would be counter productive. I am running an experiment with 20-20-20 fertilizer now and it should tell me a little something about the feasability. The other thing is that it might not be such a good idea to present mycelium that has not been grown with peroxide to a peroxide treated substrate. So, I tried 20-20-20 first.

Anyhow, I appreciate your input into this and I will keep you posted on how this thing looks. Happy shrooming!!!

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Re: Experimental supplementation of substrate
    #90634 - 12/04/99 04:23 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

The only problem introducing a strain that hasn't been cultured on H2O2 before to a substrate high in H2O2 is a lag period. Nearly all strains will survive, and in fact eventually thrive, but they will lag for a day to 3 in order to become acostomed to the peroxide.

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