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 enhanced / supplemented solutions 
#974515 - 10/19/02 10:07 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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i had posted this in the medicinal and gourmet forum, but got no reply... hopefully there is some experience here...
spending time at the paul stamets site recently, i found that he mentioned enhanced / supplemented substrates. are there reference sources available to learn the nutritional needs of specific mushrooms?
instead of using water during cultivation this custom blended (sterilized) mixture could be used in it's place... hydration and nutrition in one shot...
i did a search here and couldn't find anything. any idea's?
thanks in advance
Anni
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 ellisdee625
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Re: enhanced / supplemented solutions [Re: Anonymous]
#975336 - 10/19/02 07:05 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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ask sixtango. he's been working on that particular thing.
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Re: enhanced / supplemented solutions [Re: Anonymous]
#975937 - 10/20/02 12:22 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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I thought I saw somethingthat said mushies required additional phosphorous
I'd like to see anything that 6Tmight have.
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 Re: enhanced / supplemented solutions [Re: ellisdee625]
#976352 - 10/20/02 04:00 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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I heard someone mention my handle. So, I will throw in my 0.2 cents.
Here is the difficulty in attempting to answer any questions about introducing enhanced nutrients (micro/macro & trace minerals) into a substrate. Everybody's substrate differs. Some use cakes (made of differing substances), others dung, others straw, others dung/straw combo & others yet -- compost.
Even if everybody used dung. Nutrients - nitrogen - cellulose - hemi/cellulose - lignin -micro/macro trace elements in dung still differ ~dramaticly~ from source to source, all over the world. In other words ~ everybody's shit is different.
I use an aerobic organic compost, supplemented with dung, bone meal & micro/macro trace elements as a bulk substrate. I don't think many (if any) here use the same thing. So what everybody has to work with -- differs.
Moreover, most here use a multispore inoculation, rather than an isolate or clone. Which, creates dramatic differences in results. With an isolate or clone, you pick a big stout heavy shroom, then add enhanced nutrients to try to make it bigger. With any multispore inoculation, you can never get consistent results. Because of the huge genetic mix you are introducing, each time.
Consequently, there is no quick/fix mix of magic powdered nutrients one can simply add to a variety of substrates, that will work in all of them. Because of all the differences in ~what~ it is added to. Which - when added - would culminate in the same results (e.g., giant shrooms).
However, all is not lost. There is a light at the end of the tunnel for bulk substrate users.   
It has been found that the intact seed of certain plant oilseed species and allied species [e.g., rape (rapeseed), flax, mustard, radish, sunflower, cabbage, sesame, and like species], when treated to cause a loss in their ability to germinate, are capable of functioning as delayed-released nutrient supplement for increasing the yield of mushrooms in commercial cultivation.
Based upon this observation, intact seeds, preferably an oilseed, and most preferably rape, are treated to prevent sprouting and thereafter used as a mushroom nutrient supplement. Preferably, the seed is heated, (e.g., 195. degree. F. for 24 hours or PC'ing the intact seed at about 250. degree. F. for about 1.5 hours) to destroy germination capability.
This results in a non-composted intact seed-based naturally occurring delayed-released nutrient supplement that is suitable for use in bulk substrate mushroom production. If anyone cares to read more on this subject, read United States Patent 5,427,592.
I will get all my notes together and correlate them into some form of a short report post on various enhanced nutrient tests, I have done that seem to result in larger fruit bodies.
6T 
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Anonymous
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 Re: enhanced / supplemented solutions [Re: SixTango]
#976437 - 10/20/02 06:35 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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thank u 6T... looking forward to ur posts on the subject... u da man!
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Re: enhanced / supplemented solutions [Re: SixTango]
#977522 - 10/20/02 05:02 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Would the bone meal addition to the compost be for higher phosphorous content in the finished compost? Would adding seaweed or a high P compound to the misting water have any advantage?
Can you 'fertilize' shrooms after they pin?? Or does it have to be in the substrate??
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Re: enhanced / supplemented solutions [Re: On_the_Down-Low]
#977577 - 10/20/02 05:26 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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>>>Would the bone meal addition to the compost be for higher phosphorous content in the finished compost? <<< YUP
Bone meal can be found about at any garden supply store. Other high P items -- like sea weed cannot. 
I read an article the other day about a 12 y/o kid who won a prize at a school science fair, by misting shrooms with a mild fish fertilizer solution, tested against one tray that was not.
He got bigger shrooms. Not that this would work for everybody. 
I wonder if those shrooms -- smelled "fishy"?
6T
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