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OfflineThunderfuck
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Re: Innoulating an ENTIRE FIELD?!
    #90285 - 10/20/99 10:30 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

It sounds cool. But i don't think it would work. Contamnination would be a problem, and your spores could get killed. And i think it takes time for the mycelium to develop, your backyard (or whatever) has to be a good place for cubensis to grow. But then again, something may happen. Which would rule, and we would all love you :smile:

A hose to innoculate........hehehehhe

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Re: Innoulating an ENTIRE FIELD?!
    #90288 - 10/21/99 12:12 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Exactly Moe. Nature is the ultimate decider. I didn't even think of tilling, but that would probably help a bunch. If you're going to try a LARGE area, I would make a very dense spore solution that is watered WELL during the innoculation, so that the spores will penetrate the ground, even if only 1/4", that's plenty for a nice mycelium base to establish.

Cows SHIT and shrooms grow from it. Cow shit contains MILLIONS (literally) of bateria, fungus and viruses combined...Yet there are thousands of fields worldwide where cow shit = shrooms. I don't think contamination is that big of a deal. As Moe mentioned tilling and preparing the land would probably be the biggest part of the project. Which I BELIEVE could be overcome fairly easily by simply spending a couple of hours with an aerator, or heck if you have a tractor/tiller combo it's even easier.

I don't think contamination would be a problem due to the high spore/contaminant ratio.

When innoculating a large area, I would say use as MANY spores as possible. There's gotta be a point where just sheer numbers of spores germinating and taking hold will overcome the contamination and grow a patch or two or three or fifty of shrooms.

I now only wish I had a ton of spores, because I have a great patch of land (that already produces other types of shrooms) that I'd LOVE to innoculate and try this with next spring...

Any ideas as for what kind of shroom to grow? I'm assuming P. Cubensis as it has the widest range of growth parameter, but what about the strain? I was thinking either P.C. Ecuadorian or P.C. Mazatepec strains as possible candidates...

Spore syringes/prints are welcome for this experiment :smile:

Keep the ideas coming, maybe we can get a cooperative FAQ going...



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Re: Innoulating an ENTIRE FIELD?!
    #90289 - 10/21/99 03:49 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Living far far away and with cubensis
not obviously around, I have taken the
liberty to spray about 5 prints taken
sloppilly on 19 october in a local cow/sheep
pasture. I sprayed liberally onto shit onto grass into mud. everywhere.

I will be inspecting the field after rains and high humidity

I'll post if anything.

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Re: Innoulating an ENTIRE FIELD?!
    #90290 - 10/21/99 03:53 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Forgot to mention that I sprayed,
not misted the spores through a pump
thingy sprayer which at high pressure dug into da shit and ground.

And the climate here should be able to support cubies on those humid rainy days.

Something between California and Florida
if you can imagine that.



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Re: Innoulating an ENTIRE FIELD?!
    #90291 - 10/21/99 08:20 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

You have an idea of bulk compost cutivation..
prepare some kilos of substrat with your old cakes and in spring you go out and dig some holes and you place some of your mega mycelium in it ..do that on many places of your field and cover lte hole withe fresh substrat and a bit of cow dung...should work ...and it is saver then with your spraying method...but I don`t know what yor farmer thinks when he sees you digiing holes and walking arond with bags full of mycel...


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Re: Innoulating an ENTIRE FIELD?!
    #90292 - 10/21/99 10:23 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

It's not really bulk compost cultivation at all. That requires you to actually prepare a substrate, innoculate it, dig a ditch, wait for your substrate to colonize, pour substrate in said ditch, then cover with something.

All that we're doing here is laying out spores over a large area and hoping they take hold somewhere. Less Work, Less Time and most likely lower yields.

Bulk Cultivation isn't really an experiment, it's well documented and a proven technique, spraying a large volume of spores over a large area, I've never heard of that.



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Re: Innoulating an ENTIRE FIELD?!
    #90294 - 10/21/99 03:06 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

It's only "theory" as of now, but to me it seems like a solid idea. Heck this is EXACTLY what nature does (shrooms grow, spores get caught in the wind and eventually land somewhere). This is just helping nature out a bit, and increasing the percentage of mushroom spores in hopes that the mushroom mycelium will overtake any competitors... I can't wait for SPRING!!!


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Re: Innoulating an ENTIRE FIELD?!
    #90295 - 10/21/99 03:27 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Well, i guess i was wrong :redface:

This is interesting though......quite interesting...

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Re: Innoulating an ENTIRE FIELD?!
    #90296 - 10/22/99 03:26 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

But will this only work in an area that naturally has shroomies popping up? If yes,
then why aren't they here normally?
I'm not nearly as knowledgeable about this as the now (apparently) defunct MJShroomer,
but if they would grow naturally, why are they absent otherwise?
I know someone who wouldn't only try it, but
spend the winter making mycelium water, the
spring plowing his field with cowshit,
and the summer spraying it from a fucking tractor.
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Re: Innoulating an ENTIRE FIELD?!
    #90297 - 10/22/99 05:08 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

That's a good point. Where I live P. Cubensis doesn't really grow all that much (spotty at best). There's probably a lot of spores floating around, but either the conditions aren't right for germination or whatever, but I'm 90% sure that where I live there's not too many P.Cubensis spores floating around. It's important to pick a strain/species that is VERY adaptable to its envioronment.
(Ecuadorian or Mazatepec should work nicely in colder temps...) The reason that shrooms don't normally grow could be because the specific strain that's floating around in your area may not be particularly agressive/adaptive to the conditions. In general you want to research all of the strains out there and pick one that looks like it would grow nicely in your area.

Nature is pretty rigid and tough to change, but with enough coersion, I'm almost certain that you can get shrooms to grow in your area (unless you live in Antarctica or other extreme environments...).



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Re: Innoulating an ENTIRE FIELD?!
    #90298 - 10/22/99 06:39 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I think I should add some information to this thread where it appears that some of you seem to kind of have the wrong idea. First, if you plan on innoculating a field by spreading spores around, the key ingredient to its success is to have a cow who grazes it. In the wild, spores land on grass, which is eaten by the cow. After a few days, the cow will deposit a little substrate pile that is conveniently pre-innoculated by the spores that passed through its system. It is a common misconception that, in the wild, spores floating around in the air land on cow pies, germinate, and sprout shrooms, but this is not the case. Think about it: for those who have actually been shroom hunting in the wild, how many times have you seen cow pies with mycelium growing on their top surfaces, which is what would happen if the previous sentence were the case (spores landing on top of the pies and growing)? In my experience, the answer is exactly zero, as the mycelium is always growing on the underside of the pie and inside of it, and never on the top surface.

Perhaps you should alter your plan of action. First and foremost, find a field that is close by and easily accessible to you. The ideal field would have lots of tall grass, some shady spots, plenty of humidity, and not that much area (to limit the amount of land you have to cover when shroom hunting). Most importantly, though, the field *must* be grazed by cows or similar animals! When you have picked a good field, load up a squirt gun with spores and spray down the field. You should be squirting the taller grass, not the ground or the shit, and try to evenly cover as much area as possible. I don't know exactly how long it would take for mushrooms to start popping up, but I would venture to say about a week and a half to two weeks, assuming the weather is right. Unfortunately, cubensis season for this year is coming to an end. :frown:

If you live near cows or horses, or have them on your land, here's another more direct idea: Take spore prints on straw or hay (ie, lay out a bunch of straw and let a bunch of caps drop their spores onto it). Then simply feed the spored straw or hay to your cows and check your field periodically.



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Re: Innoulating an ENTIRE FIELD?!
    #90299 - 10/23/99 07:13 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, if there aren't any cows, you have to keep spraying your spores on every little patty. This gets old and unreliable. It would work if there were cows grazing... I've done this successfully, but there were cows there.

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Re: Innoulating an ENTIRE FIELD?!
    #90300 - 10/24/99 04:44 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

orrrrrrrrrrr......hehe even simpler just eat the shrooms yourself, right before they drop their spores....then go #2 in your backyard for the next 2 days or so...and wait!....hehe your get to trip from the shrooms...AND produce innoculated substrate :smile: hehehe

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Re: Innoulating an ENTIRE FIELD?!
    #90301 - 10/24/99 08:28 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Placebo has obviously watched cubensis grow in the wild...
his ideas are the best i've seen so far.
I'd also suggest
letting an area of your lawn grow tall, and gettng some local cowmanure and mixing in colonized rye, as this seems liek it would work better

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Re: Innoulating an ENTIRE FIELD?!
    #90302 - 10/24/99 08:58 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I have not found shrooms in the wild (not psychoactive anyway) so I don't claim to know the exact conditions. I'm hoping that through some discussion we can get maybe general guideline/mini-faq to growing shrooms naturally.

From what I understand Placebo has a point. The cow would eat the spores and then germinate them in their stomach for a couple of days before pooping. If you have a cow handy, this is great news, just spray the field where the cow eats with spores and wait. If however you don't have readily available access to a cow, couldn't you use a LIQUID mycelium innoculation technique?

Germinate a LARGE number of spores in a sterile liquid substrate using one of the TEKs listed at:
http://shroomery.org/findorgrowthem.asp?View=culture

So now instead of innoculting the field with a heavy spore/water mixture, you can replace the spore/water solution with your Liquid Innoculant.



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Re: Innoulating an ENTIRE FIELD?!
    #90303 - 10/25/99 05:22 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I would think that live mycelium in a liquid suspension would not survive for very long if it were sprayed all over a field. Even if the field was covered with manure at varying stages of decomposition, I don't think the mycelium would last long enough to take hold. And if it didn't die due to exposure to the elements, surely there would be a bacterial colony or two that would have a field day (no pun intended) with all of that malt.

I think that the bottom line here is that if you want mushrooms that will grow themselves, you need to have animals that will ingest your spores, and who will hopefully keep the process going once there are enough spores introduced to the environment.



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Re: Innoulating an ENTIRE FIELD?!
    #90304 - 10/25/99 06:49 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Simulating and assisting nature probably will work the best. I say get the cows to eat the spores. Although I have not actually done this because I do not have any spores, I think it is worth a try. Make a little grassy cow snack sprinkled with spores to feed them (from the safe side of the fence). You could even make it up ahead of time and hold it out to them inside a bunch of grass picked by the fence that they normally graze on. Or if they are eating hay, go ahead and sprinkle a couple of bales when Mr Farmer is not around. I bet this would be even more effective if you have actually seen cubies in their pasture. Gotta get me some spores!


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Re: Innoulating an ENTIRE FIELD?!
    #90306 - 10/26/99 05:01 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Hey,

Even though primate was joking around, i was wondering if this had any chance of working. What if u ate vegetables for a week or so. This seems like it would be the easiest way to keep your supply going, w/ out even having to do much work (if u can get past the fact that you're digging in your own shit). I probably sound rather foolish, but if anyone thinks this would work, I'd give it a try. Later

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    #90308 - 10/31/99 09:31 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I guess you could work them into your veggie garden with a little timing and good luck, a good spongy soil loaded with manure,. Your veggies won't mind this. Inoculate the surface with some "grown ups" (mycelia water)
Get it good and moist, cover it with black plastic till fall and temps stay in the 70's
Keep it moist till then. In the fall give the the mushroom colony the light of day.

Wait and pray,

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    #90309 - 10/31/99 11:01 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

This is just a question, but how do the spores survive digestion? I mean the PH of stomach acid is pretty high, isn't it? So high that we have a special lining just to protect our own stomachs from being eaten by it. And cows, have four stomachs, so I wonder how the spores survive. I was thinking that since you don't "see" cow pies with mycelium growing on the outside(by the way, how does it get the light that initiates fruiting without having at least some mycelium exposed?) maybe the cowpies land on spores that have been deposited on the ground, therefore covering them up, and making them germinate on the underside of the pie, thus making the mycelium grow under and inside of the pie. But I still wonder, how does the mycelium obtain the light it needs to fruit if it is all inside the manure. just a question because I am unknowledgable(I also can't spel.)
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