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Re: New footage of moving lights in sky... [Re: Ego Death]
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You don't have evidence. There are videos of mysterious orbs, and garbage can lids and most have bad quality. Not to mention the number of identifyiable hoaxes. Why should anyone believe anyone else without direct knowledge that is present here and now?


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Re: New footage of moving lights in sky... [Re: psyka]
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There are plenty of sightings over large cities. For example Mexico city has one of the largest UFO footage archives in the world. The majority of these picked up by air traffic controllers, as well as numerous videos identical to this during broad daylight. From what I've read this happens almost on a daily basis there. Most Mexico city natives are believers just b/c of the fact that they've seen it, and see it on a regular basis.


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Re: New footage of moving lights in sky... [Re: psyka]
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I consider hundreds of pilot sightings that are corroborated with radar confirmation to be evidence.

In terms of the Belgium case it would have to be one big hoax. Logic tells me that to hoax 2 separate radar confirmations, 100's of videos and photos of the same object by independent witnesses and 2 F-16 pilots and their radar equipment is less likely than to just accept that some advanced craft was hovering above Belgium's cities. In a case like that it seems to be a much bigger leap of faith to claim it was all hoaxed.

Do you have evidence that it didn't happen?

Who's information is more likely to be true and complete? The report by Colonel Wilfred De Brouwer or the speculation of an internet poster?

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Re: New footage of moving lights in sky... [Re: cottlestonpie]
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these lights are a test and the suddenness appears to me to be human. dont spend energy on this shit its obviously what some entity wants.

the only "aliens" you want to have in your life are the ones who wont give themselves up so easily...

yeah ol fuckin hazey doesnt know shit. look me up in 5 years ill forgive you.

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Re: New footage of moving lights in sky... [Re: Seuss]
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The title of this thread is kinda funny how accurate it is. Usually these things are all "zomg, aliens definatly were visiting last night!"






Seuss said:
> Theres no question if UFOs are real or not anymore.

That is as closed minded as the people that claim that alien UFOs cannot be real. Same coin, opposite side.



Yep. People need to be more agnostic I think. Rarely do we have proof of disputed phenomena, we just have evidence that could also be explained away.

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Re: New footage of moving lights in sky... [Re: johnm214]
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In terms of the Belgium case it would have to be one big hoax. Logic tells me that to hoax 2 separate radar confirmations, 100's of videos and photos of the same object by independent witnesses and 2 F-16 pilots and their radar equipment is less likely than to just accept that some advanced craft was hovering above Belgium's cities. In a case like that it seems to be a much bigger leap of faith to claim it was all hoaxed.


:yawn:

We send people to jail for murder based on a lot less evidence.

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Re: New footage of moving lights in sky... [Re: Ego Death]
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The reigning king of the non sequitur.


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Re: New footage of moving lights in sky... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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:kingcrankey:

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Re: New footage of moving lights in sky... [Re: Ego Death]
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Ego Death said:
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In terms of the Belgium case it would have to be one big hoax. Logic tells me that to hoax 2 separate radar confirmations, 100's of videos and photos of the same object by independent witnesses and 2 F-16 pilots and their radar equipment is less likely than to just accept that some advanced craft was hovering above Belgium's cities. In a case like that it seems to be a much bigger leap of faith to claim it was all hoaxed.


:yawn:

We send people to jail for murder based on a lot less evidence.



perhaps, possibly, but we certinaly don't send them to jail on this quality of evidence, or at least the adverse party has the ability to present alternate theories, cross examine witnesses, and have their own witnesses analyze evidence.

Any of those present in this case?  If not I don't think your analogy holds.

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Re: New footage of moving lights in sky... [Re: johnm214]
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Its definitely been cross examined. There are literally hoards of debunker's with great theories such as mass hallucination, gigantic hoax etc but none of these theories are acceptable. Is far more logical to accept there is an advanced craft there.

I don't understand how people can claim its more logical to claim hoax etc. How can 2 separate radar stations and hundreds of independent witnesses all be hoaxing and with what motive? Seems very unlikely to me.

Every individual case must be examined, someone said "Most UFO sightings are hoaxes though". So does that mean we have to say all UFO sightings must be hoaxes? That is equally as illogical. With that mindset it would not matter if a real UFO landed in front of the white house. Everyone would be laughing saying "great hoax".

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Re: New footage of moving lights in sky... [Re: Ego Death]
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provide evidence that an adverse party has had the opportunity to compell relevant witnesses to sit in front of them, answer questions, produce evidence, and such, or I won't believe you. And most criminal prosecutions require more than a proponderance of the evidence supporting the government.

Its more logical to claim hoax cuz its a simpler explanation. Untill evidence demonstrating alien presence is had such that people can conlude its more likely than not they are here, I don't see why you would believe any account at all.

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Re: New footage of moving lights in sky... [Re: johnm214]
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The crazier sightings are more likely secret experimental aircraft than aliens. The military are years in front of what civilians know of science, and they try and keep everything secret so the enemy can't prepare themselves.

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Re: New footage of moving lights in sky... [Re: johnm214]
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:rotfl:

Yeah OK.  You keep telling yourself that its morer logical to claim hoax.  :rofl:

Radars lie because they want you to believe!!!  :tinfoil:

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Re: New footage of moving lights in sky... [Re: Ego Death]
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The overall scheme of things aint no hoax. there aint no fuckin hoax. man this is the universe, older than you think it is, and a hell of a lot more intelligent than you think.

the game has been played, everything is planned out. nothing happens by accident, and certainly not on Earth.


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Re: New footage of moving lights in sky... [Re: Ginseng1]
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I bet you they're scoping us out


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Re: New footage of moving lights in sky... [Re: Ego Death]
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Ego Death said:
:rotfl:

Yeah OK.  You keep telling yourself that its morer logical to claim hoax.  :rofl:

Radars lie because they want you to believe!!!  :tinfoil:


well radars show what they show

if you're implying some radar evidence demonstrates probable alien presence feel free to point it out

The stuff I've read about just relies on he-said-she-said stuff w/ uncertain implications of even verifiable recounts.

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Re: New footage of moving lights in sky... [Re: johnm214]
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When theres several radar confirmations, several high ranking military witnesses and the UFOs penetrate military airspace, as far as I'm concerned its ludicrous to claim hoax, weather balloons or advanced military testing. None of the explanations given by skeptics make any sense.

This hasn't just happened once in one country. This has happened hundreds of times and in every country on our planet!

Its funny how we would rather believe its a balloon despite all the evidence. The ETs could land on the fucking white house lawn and the public would still rather believe its a balloon. The official explanations can get away with feeding us any shit as long as fits the accepted consensus viewpoint.

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Re: New footage of moving lights in sky... [Re: Ego Death]
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Re: New footage of moving lights in sky... [Re: cottlestonpie]
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so get this, I have a relative who works at a retirement village. one of their residents had an interview with the local paper. well the resident proceeds to tell the guy about a UFO sighting she had, there where 2 orbs to start. they were a illuministic red, and where the shape of diamonds. she also saw 2 more join, all perfectly spaced from one another and at a slow movement. the 4 was joined by 6 and after a short while they flew left to right then disappeared. the reported also included that theres Ben sighs from Arizona to a few other states. don't remember their names though. crazy..

by the way this is in colorado.

Edited by ZackWyldeFan (05/02/08 11:44 AM)

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Re: New footage of moving lights in sky... [Re: Ego Death]
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Ego Death said:
Theres alot better footage than that out there!

Check out this spaceship



It was filmed and photographed by hundreds of people over Belgium. It was chased by two military F-16's and picked up by 2 separate radar towers. The F-16's recorded it performing maneuvers that are considered impossible by our current laws of aerodynamics and much of the time it flew into space to avoid the F-16's.


Theres no question if UFOs are real or not anymore. The questions are what are they and where do they come from. IMO they indicate an extra-terrestrial presence here on Earth.




i saw a ufo exactly like this one so i don't have to wonder


Edited by sleepy (05/02/08 02:05 PM)

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