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OfflineDERRAYLD
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Whole Beans
    #829044 - 08/19/02 09:18 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I personally haven`t tried this but was considering using lentils for substrate.
I realise that they are very hard and would need to be soaked and precooked.
My question is, has anyone ever used whole beans like lentils, mung beans, std beans.
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Maybe I should answer this question myself and actually innoculate some bean jars.


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Re: Whole Beans [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #829054 - 08/19/02 09:21 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I've heard of coffee beans, but never any other kind.


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Re: Whole Beans [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #829477 - 08/20/02 05:44 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

If you actually precook them (like to the point of edibility) I'd think they would be too mushy to work well. Probably better to soak overnight,drain,and p.c.


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Re: Whole Beans [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #829859 - 08/20/02 09:37 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

mung or lentils sprouted

just soak them overnight; drain; rinse; drain; twice daily until sprouted to desired growth and pressure cook them.

You can grow the sprouts in the same jar you cook them in. I think sprouting seeds is best because it improves the substrate by making nutrients more available and changing its shape.


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Re: Whole Beans [Re: surprise]
    #838342 - 08/23/02 02:52 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I've been thinking about mixing lentils and brown rice to give a complete vegetarian protein. I sprouted some finch seed by mistake once and used it anyway. It seemed to work very well actually.


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Re: Whole Beans [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #838810 - 08/23/02 06:57 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

in science at school i often use beans as an example of enzymes at work. the sprouting process releases a whole plithora of digestive and growth related enzymes that may or may not contribute to a good substrate. pressure cooking would probably destroy anything undesireable, but i don't know what would be left of it after. there is lots of room for experimentation on this subject.

for example, i have found that sprouted wheat is lots less prone to contamnation than direct cooked. this may have to do with the enzymes, but it may simply have to do with what happens to the mold spores during the sprouting process. it is likely that they germinate, and that the young hyphal mold mycelium was rendered much more vulnerable to heat than would spores.


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Re: Whole Beans [Re: tchyted]
    #838847 - 08/23/02 07:15 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I have also read about pinto beans with limited success.


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Re: Whole Beans [Re: entheo_smurf]
    #840352 - 08/24/02 12:31 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

a good idea, but the amount of bacteria found on them beans is great(nitrifying bacteris) you would have to do a PERFECT job with the ol pressure cooker to stop the bacteria, now i think vegatable protien would work well if you dont let it get mushy


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Re: Whole Beans [Re: myshoeisuntied]
    #840399 - 08/24/02 12:52 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

In reply to:

but the amount of bacteria found on them beans is great(nitrifying bacteris)




I think you may be getting confused with the Rhizobium specii that live in nodules on the roots of bean plants.I don't think your average dried bean has any more bacteria living on it than your average grain of rye,or anything else.


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Re: Whole Beans [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #850659 - 08/29/02 09:08 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I think Moe is right about the lentils. I used a mix of timothy hay, lentils, and some flour I made out of adzuki beans (coffee grinder; get one ). I noticed it grew around the lentils and started eating them later than everything else. I dont know if bean flour would be any better than any other flour. .. worked though. Adzuki flour turns red after its cooked.... so your substrate is completely red. My friend freaked when he saw it and thought the jar was completely filled with contamination. Nope adzuki flour.

I know lentils have something in them (possibly a tryptamin) that will make you sick if you eat them uncooked. It goes away after you sprout them though.... so sprouted lentils might be an ok substrate if that chemical is what the mushroom doesnt like. Ummmmm ... nevermind.... if you pressure cook I'm sure it would be gone..... Anyway sprouting might change whatever the mushroom doesnt like.

My standard is hay/grass, aspen and birdseed.

I'm going to do an experiment. (I'll post the results if I remember) I'm going to do one jar full of sprouted mung beans and one full of sprouted alfalfa and pressure cook them. I'm also going to do a jar with fresh sprouts and put some spawn in there. I wonder if the mushroom will grow on the living sprouts?

I'll try to remember to post results.

(another experiment I was thinking about is aspen shavings and flour... aspen instead of vermiculite. It's probably cheaper... dont know. At least its a renewable resource unlike vermiculite mines.)


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Re: Whole Beans [Re: surprise]
    #852070 - 08/29/02 09:29 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Well I wasn`t really asking because I wanted to try it, I was merely interested to see if anyone had tried it.
I personally like the bird seed and rye, been working damn well for me.


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Re: Whole Beans [Re: surprise]
    #852500 - 08/30/02 05:48 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

In reply to:

I know lentils have something in them (possibly a tryptamin) that will make you sick if you eat them uncooked. It goes away after you sprout them though.... so sprouted lentils might be an ok substrate if that chemical is what the mushroom doesnt like.




Not quite.There are chemicals that inhibit trypsin,a digestive enzyme found in your stomach.
But mushrooms could care less about that...


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