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Persecution and Belief
    #758179 - 07/19/02 06:28 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Have you noticed that throughout history, it has always been the dogmatists who have tortured and persecuted others for not accepting their beliefs?



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Re: Prosecution and Belief [Re: Swami]
    #758555 - 07/19/02 09:19 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Yes, that is a scene replayed over and over again. Sometimes they even persecute them too.


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Re: Persecution and Belief [Re: Swami]
    #758717 - 07/19/02 10:32 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

In reply to:

Have you noticed that throughout history, it has always been the dogmatists who have tortured and persecuted others for not accepting their beliefs?




Yes, I have noticed that. I think it's because of the paranoia. You know.... The Fear? LOL imagine a bunch of atheists with torches and pitchforks... "Burn the church guy!! Burn the church guy!!"


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Re: Persecution and Belief [Re: Swami]
    #758873 - 07/19/02 11:49 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Fear is definitely the founding principle behind dogmatism.
The main culprit is the fear of the unknown. A form of the fear of being alone.


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Re: Persecution and Belief [Re: Swami]
    #758918 - 07/19/02 12:14 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Bad organized religion, bad!


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Re: Persecution and Belief [Re: ]
    #759257 - 07/19/02 02:20 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

And all three organized religions will state somewhere in the scriptures that men are fools, even the ones who believe.


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Re: Persecution and Belief [Re: Zahid]
    #759335 - 07/19/02 02:59 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Very untrue.......where in the Bible does it say that..........bet you a hundred dollars you can't find it.


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Re: Persecution and Belief [Re: chemkid]
    #759405 - 07/19/02 03:46 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I haven't read the Bible, nor was I stating that the Gospel says "even men who believe are fools"... I was saying that it may (and likely does) state that "men are fools" in some tone. (every last one in the long run, but there are winners and losers).. my religion does.

The followers of a faith do not represent what the faith is, which is a link to something that is 100% perfect. It's the fools that make it look bad, the ones who slaughtered arabs in the holy land during the crusades, and the ones who blow themselves up to kill innocent people.


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Re: Persecution and Belief [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #759646 - 07/19/02 06:25 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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imagine a bunch of atheists with torches and pitchforks... "Burn the church guy!! Burn the church guy!!"




Good point!

The Church has never been persecuted, ever. I mean it is unimaginable to think that a godless communist country/state like China or Russia would ever persecute Christians! It could never happen, could it?


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Re: Persecution and Belief [Re: ]
    #759782 - 07/19/02 07:31 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Good point, Mr Mushrooms...

You bring up the fact that not only religious believers can be dogmatic. Any forcing of opinion on others is dogmatic, and almost every group of people throughout human history are guilty of this at one time or another. It seems to come from our animal nature.


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Re: Persecution and Belief [Re: Adamist]
    #759801 - 07/19/02 07:38 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Thank you.

I call the force that drives such behavior, the ego. The ego to me is that part of us that wishes to rule over others; to think ourselves more fit to have a bigger slice of the pie, etc.


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Re: Persecution and Belief [Re: ]
    #759963 - 07/19/02 08:47 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I think such childish behavior is driven by the id, not the ego.


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Re: Persecution and Belief [Re: RebelSteve33]
    #759983 - 07/19/02 08:55 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, but your Freudian slip is showing.

Yes, I am familiar with using the term id instead. But as I do not subscribe to the doctor's theory I do not use the word. I think Szasz has a better handle on things.

BTW, I miss reading your posts. They are very entertaining. You put a lot of effort into them and it shows. I disagree with a lot of the content but I still think they are great! Maybe that means there's hope for me yet.

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Re: Persecution and Belief [Re: RebelSteve33]
    #762123 - 07/20/02 01:33 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I think such childish behavior is driven by the id, not the ego.

The Id is the source of ideas that cannot be controlled. It is the superego's job to deem risk and reward and refrain from acting in a self-destructive manner. What the individual ends up doing is called the ego.


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Re: Persecution and Belief [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #763977 - 07/21/02 08:29 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, I know, thanks.

It's just that some people are more controlled by their id, and others are more controlled by their super ego. When people do immature, childish things; I think that means that the super ego is being overpowered by the id, and therefore the resulting ego is more id than anything else.

I think a healthy balance between the two is best, as with all things in life


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