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 Lion
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 Every generation has its revolution 
#7374421 - 09/06/07 01:04 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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It seems that every generation of young people has some utopian vision that they are collectively moving toward, some dialectic movement they are hoping will manifest itself in their lifetime with a little help from fate.
And just when it seems the tides are about to turn, it's over.
This does not apply to my generation at large - most of which seems content not to question the status quo - but at least for many younger Shroomerites here, with the hopes of global awakening and some massive upheavals around the year 2012.
It may be that '2012' is the revolution that fades away, just like the original psychedelic awakening in the '60s, and that those who are deeply involved will be forced to humble themselves and deal with a world that has not progressed much, or even regressed.
A few decades a go it was a certainty that Socialism would bring about a new way of living, a new way of being for all of humanity - at least, if you asked the right people.
I don't know where I am going with this. I feel very conflicted myself and try as hard as possible not to get caught up in fantasizing about some higher dimensional event. Even with strange coincidences like my first having tripped on psilocybin on Dec. 21, without any prior knowledge of that date, I will not allow myself to be invested in some kind of future salvation.
All I have is now. I'll never 'figure it out' - life is a mystery.
Revolution is a good word - you go around the curve, and then you come back.
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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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 Alion
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Re: Every generation has its revolution [Re: Lion]
#7374467 - 09/06/07 01:20 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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stop making me cry
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dirtworshipper
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Re: Every generation has its revolution [Re: Lion]
#7374485 - 09/06/07 01:28 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Like a great man once said... "Be here now"
And perhaps it really depends on the definition of the world revolution..
In some senses, I believe every day brings a revolution.. somewhere, for someone(s).
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Icelander
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Re: Every generation has its revolution [Re: Lion]
#7374702 - 09/06/07 02:33 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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The why of this as I see it, is that each generation, consciously or unconsciously believes history begins with their birth and ends at their death. So the same mistakes are repeated with each generation and little progress is made. Those that can see this and learn from history are few and usually do so in middle age or late in life.
That's why Mr. Natural sez: "Twas ever thus"
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
Edited by Icelander (09/06/07 02:34 PM)
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Re: Every generation has its revolution [Re: Lion]
#7374745 - 09/06/07 02:43 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
It seems that every generation of young people has some utopian vision that they are collectively moving toward, some dialectic movement they are hoping will manifest itself in their lifetime with a little help from fate.
I don't think much will happen with 2012 and any sort of cultural change or upheaval. There's maybe a fraction of a percent of people (if that) on the planet who would have the slightest idea what you were talking about if you mentioned 2012 to them.
I also don't think every generation has its revolution. Certainly every generation has various ideals that certain individuals wish to make manifest in society, but (and granted that I'm no history buff) to my knowledge, it's only here and there that a group of people is successful in bringing about massive social change.
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All I have is now. I'll never 'figure it out' - life is a mystery.
It's one thing to understand that intellectually - to understand it verbally, and it's a whole different thing entirely to really see and understand the truth of that. And besides, there are things that you can figure out. Physicists and cosmologists and chemists and all sorts of scientists have been doing just that for a very long time: trying to figure out how to understand reality. But I suspect you're referring to the nature of reality itself: the absolute ground of being and that such.
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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"
"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer
Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.
"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln
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Re: Every generation has its revolution [Re: Lion]
#7374754 - 09/06/07 02:45 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think that each generation feels the need to revolt because it comes with the territory of being young. In my opinion, it is something instinctual, fighting authority (in any form that one could find it) is mostly instinctual. I say instinctual because if we observe other animals, it’s all the same, on a smaller scale. Every “youngster” trying to affirm his powers, and one of the ways in which it can do that is to fight with those who are currently in power. So why should humans be an exception to that?
If you take a closer look at those who want revolution, you’ll notice that even if the goal is apparently the same (in this case the good old “world peace”), the way each of the individuals imagine it to be is totally different and in some cases it even leads to fundamental contradictions which have the ability to start smaller or bigger wars on the inside of the “group”, and which in extent can turn into a split of ideologies, each of them being more and more distant from the original idea.
Now getting to the 2012 matter… this is not something new either. People have the tendency to resort to paranormal explanations when in lack of other arguments, or as something that underlines a desired outcome. It doesn’t mean that it actually has to have a deeper meaning than that.
Of course, there are individuals that can actually make changes, but this happens when more Will is at game. When it becomes something above the instinctual need for affirmation, and when one is able to find his own reasons and meanings for producing a change. But this isn't revolution anymore, it is individualism, and which I highly sustain because it clearly shows signs of working (being efficient). 
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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
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Lion
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Re: Every generation has its revolution [Re: dblaney]
#7374815 - 09/06/07 03:00 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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What I meant is that every generation is - many, at least, are - hopeful that revolution will come about, and in the case of many of my peers here (myself included) the '2012 Event' offers that [likely false] promise of uplifting change.
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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: Every generation has its revolution [Re: Lion]
#7374917 - 09/06/07 03:29 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Humans are always trying to be better. That is the nature of everything.
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Icelander
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Re: Every generation has its revolution [Re: Vairagya]
#7375592 - 09/06/07 06:26 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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What are you referring to by "better"?
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Every generation has its revolution [Re: Icelander]
#7375936 - 09/06/07 07:49 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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I was thinking about this a few months ago and it depresses the hell out of me. Where the hell are our Beats, our Flower Children, our Romanticist writers, our Post-Modernist artists?
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NiamhNyx
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Re: Every generation has its revolution [Re: Icelander]
#7375978 - 09/06/07 07:56 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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While I agree that with every generation we see a new wave of radicalism, I disagree that every generation as it's own distinct 'revolution,' set apart from the revolution of the previous generation. Radical thinking is a continuum. Ideas develop upon ideas and it shifts over time. There will always be the essential tension towards seeking and fighting for freedom. The terms and focuses may shift over time but I don't see my own radicalism as all that far removed from those in the 80's or 60's or 1800's or 100's who have influenced me. I feel more like I carry a flame.
The whole 2012 thing just kind of annoys me. It's a way for people to really believe that the condition of the world is going to significantly change without them having to commit to making the slightest effort themselves. It's a total flaky cop out.
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MushroomTrip
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Re: Every generation has its revolution [Re: Boots]
#7375990 - 09/06/07 07:59 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Look better.
There's plenty of good art in our times now too.
Also people who love freedom.
Why look for beauty in the past when it's right here?
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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
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Re: Every generation has its revolution [Re: Boots]
#7375993 - 09/06/07 08:00 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Boots, I think that anarchists are the closest thing we've got to what you're looking for. There aren't really any popular rebel movements in this day and age outside of anarchism. There isn't an awful lot of great art or poetry coming from these guys these days, but it's the most popular (and most coherent) radical movement of our generation.
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Re: Every generation has its revolution [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7376334 - 09/06/07 09:18 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
MushroomTrip said:
Why look for beauty in the past when it's right here?
exactly!!
that resonates all kinds of Truth
and to the above poster (and everyone else), you would probably like this...
Crime ThINC.
:edit: fixed link! whoops!
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“You've got as many lives as you like, and more, even ones you don't want.” - George Harrison
Edited by dirtworshipper (09/06/07 10:18 PM)
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NiamhNyx
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Re: Every generation has its revolution [Re: dirtworshipper]
#7376455 - 09/06/07 09:37 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm familiar with crimethinc. I'm not a huge fan, but they've put out a few decent enough publications.
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Lion
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Re: Every generation has its revolution [Re: dirtworshipper]
#7376498 - 09/06/07 09:46 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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If I'm not mistaken, the link you posted is a link to this thread... I'll Google it.
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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Alion
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Re: Every generation has its revolution [Re: Lion]
#7376778 - 09/06/07 11:01 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Charles Manson will be eligible for a parole hearing again.
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Re: Every generation has its revolution [Re: Lion]
#7380333 - 09/07/07 06:10 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Its the Age of Aquarius, man!  
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