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Re: What happens to knowledge and wisdom on Earth [Re: Pulsating]
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Pulsating said:
I enjoy South Park...but what does that have to do with the data contained in the subject of Scientology?



I guess you never saw the episode that pokes fun at Scientology then...?


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Re: What happens to knowledge and wisdom on Earth [Re: Pulsating]
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True philosophy invents nothing; it merely establishes and describes what is.

"establish what is"

what is what? what is IME is not being confined by the barriers of language and thought. i can also not tell you what is, nobody can. you have to experience to realize what is, why should you listen to Hubbard. why not tell it to yourself? realize yourself, then you will come to know what is.

we are all entitled to our own unique philosophy, why follow someone elses and not build and create our own through personal experience? you are contributing to your own duality by holding so much trust and belief in something that another man created. how are you so positive what his intentions are?


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Re: What happens to knowledge and wisdom on Earth [Re: onlynow]
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onlynow said:
True philosophy invents nothing; it merely establishes and describes what is.

"establish what is"

what is what? what is IME is not being confined by the barriers of language and thought. i can also not tell you what is, nobody can. you have to experience to realize what is, why should you listen to Hubbard. why not tell it to yourself? realize yourself, then you will come to know what is.

we are all entitled to our own unique philosophy, why follow someone elses and not build and create our own through personal experience? you are contributing to your own duality by holding so much trust and belief in something that another man created. how are you so positive what his intentions are?




Exactly! which is part of the trap of this physical universe....all our words "concern themselves" with phenomena of this universe...

There are techniques that involve the asking of certain questions/doing certain drills that separate oneself out from the universe of Matter, Energy, Space, Time...

Those who have vested interests in sickness and death (and the things which bring about sickness and death) don't want that...because as an individual separates himself out he becomes more honest, more ethical and more "self" uninhibited by the untruths contained in this universe...

Why do you think so much trouble is gone through to discredit Scientology in the mainstream media?

Because those "running the show" know that a large % of humans are unthinking repeaters of the bullshit they see on TV. One poster in this thread was even quoting a cartoon episode as if it were truth...


Additionally, Scientology isn't about following Hubbard or anything like that...Hubbard even discusses the phenomena that if one pursues Scientology techniques that they have the result of freeing the person from many things...including Scientology...

One utilizes techniques to discern and see what one sees on a larger and larger scale, not what one is told to see as is popular in many other religions/philosophies...


It really isn't a belief system, but instead something one *does*.


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"Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something." ― Plato

"I communicate, therefore I am" - I

"Nature is ancient, but surprises us all." - Björk

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Re: What happens to knowledge and wisdom on Earth [Re: kimikiri]
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kimikiri said:
I guess you never saw the episode that pokes fun at Scientology then...?



So what if he did? I fail to understand what relevance it has to the discussion in this thread.


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Re: What happens to knowledge and wisdom on Earth [Re: Pulsating]
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Pulsating said:
True philosophy invents nothing; it merely establishes and describes what is.



:thumbup:


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: What happens to knowledge and wisdom on Earth [Re: fireworks_god]
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True philosophy invents nothing; it merely establishes and describes what is.

Actually this might be slightly misleading. Philosophy takes a best guess about truth but does not necessarily know what it is.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: What happens to knowledge and wisdom on Earth [Re: Icelander]
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Someone asked about how Scientology applies to us all...

This is a description of just 2 items that apply to us in this universe.



(I did see the Scientology South Park episode...and I can assure you that that is *not* "what Scientologists actually believe" although maybe some do...my personal opinion on the identity of Göd is Björk...and not all Scientologists would agree with me...but then who really knows what God is or if it even exists?)


and FG is right...the SP episode has no bearing on anything except some entertainment value...)


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"Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something." ― Plato

"I communicate, therefore I am" - I

"Nature is ancient, but surprises us all." - Björk

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Re: What happens to knowledge and wisdom on Earth [Re: Pulsating]
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If you are referring to my post I asked if "all" of Scientology applies to everyone. While there are some things that may apply to everyone I want to know why you believed that all of it applies to everyone.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: What happens to knowledge and wisdom on Earth [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
If you are referring to my post I asked if "all" of Scientology applies to everyone. While there are some things that may apply to everyone I want to know why you believed that all of it applies to everyone.




All of it that I have studied...but that is another point...Hubbard advises anyone and everyone taking a look at Scientology (and indeed ANY subject) to compare it with one's own observations...and if it coincides, that's great, if not, dump it...but one must get rid of preconceived ideas about a subject and actually observe....this is a big obstacle for some people...and I know you have experienced this when talking with various fundamentalists...

Scientology is not an authoritarian subject...


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"I communicate, therefore I am" - I

"Nature is ancient, but surprises us all." - Björk

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Re: What happens to knowledge and wisdom on Earth [Re: Pulsating]
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"Scientology is not an authoritarian subject... "
There seem to be sub-sects, which are.


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Re: What happens to knowledge and wisdom on Earth [Re: BlueCoyote]
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BlueCoyote said:
"Scientology is not an authoritarian subject... "
There seem to be sub-sects, which are.




Unfortunately, when *people* get involved with subjects...the subject sometimes become less than it is.

I am also not beating the drum for the *Church of Scientology.*

Some of my research points in this direction that the Church of Scientology may have been seized, after Hubbard's death in the early-mid 80's, by individuals not sympathetic to the ideals set forth by Hubbard.

Indeed, some Clears and OTs were being tested by gov agencies in the last few decades in remote viewing experiments...and you can bet that, if successful, the gov would have acted quickly...

The U.S. Gov, and likely others, are terrified of things that free people's minds from the controls and restraints which "society" imposes...same reason why psychedelics...from the most mild to the most intense are demonized and made illegal.

But, the data is still there and 2 or more individuals, free of the restraints of any group, can learn to apply it and do so.


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"Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something." ― Plato

"I communicate, therefore I am" - I

"Nature is ancient, but surprises us all." - Björk

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Re: What happens to knowledge and wisdom on Earth [Re: Pulsating]
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Pulsating said:
There are techniques that involve the asking of certain questions/doing certain drills that separate oneself out from the universe of Matter, Energy, Space, Time...




sounds like a kiddy pool

asking questions and doing drills that separate oneself from energy and space sounds like complete and utter bullshit. you can't separate from energy because you are energy.

You are energy and love and power and light and vibration and waves of rapture and joy that extend far beyond your physical body – in fact they (you) never end because you are indeed connected to everything because everything is vibration.


Those who have vested interests in sickness and death (and the things which bring about sickness and death) don't want that...because as an individual separates himself out he becomes more honest, more ethical and more "self" uninhibited by the untruths contained in this universe...

separation from energy/consciousness descends one from unified conscious awareness into egoic dualistic awareness of 3rd dimensional reality. there are no untruths contained within the universe. it is all in the mind.

Can you feel the pull of your ego’s thinking? Now surrender that thinking to your Soul. Your Soul/SELF—your fifth dimensional consciousness—thinks very differently than your third dimensional ego/self. Your Soul/SELF thinks in pictures rather than lining words up sequentially. As an alternative to “having a thought,” your Soul/SELF will “have a picture.” Your Soul/SELF can zoom in, or zoom out, from that picture; it can step into the picture, or it can observe it. Your Soul/SELF can also observe your third dimensional ego/self, or any other part of your third dimensional world, whether or not your physical self is aware of that observation. Through fifth dimensional thought, you can deeply identify with every person, creature, plant, rock or drop of water.


Why do you think so much trouble is gone through to discredit Scientology in the mainstream media?

because people don't want to see others get their life fucked over by the scamming lowlifes that are Scientologists.


It really isn't a belief system, but instead something one *does*.

Taoism is much more effective IMO. there is less babble, no opportunity to be scammed and brainwashed, no Hubbard, no churches, no separation, no bullshit.

You are describing to me your belief system which sounds a lot like it is based on Scientology.


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Re: What happens to knowledge and wisdom on Earth [Re: Pulsating]
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Why do you think so much trouble is gone through to discredit Scientology in the mainstream media?

Well, for one thing, Hubbard claimed to be an "Atomic Physicist", and the church claims that he "studied engineering and atomic and molecular physics" and "his first experiments concerning the structure and function of the mind were carried out while at the university".

Outright lies.

He got shitty grades in university, then dropped out before completing the second year. And he got an F in the one physics class he did take, according to school transcripts.

Hubbard also lied about attending Princeton. In the preface to one of his books he thanks "my instructors in atomic and molecular phenomena, mathematics and the humanities at George Washington University and at Princeton". The truth is that he dropped out of George Washington University with shit grades and NEVER went to Princeton.

You claim that Scientology applies to all of us but that sounds to me like communist propaganda that if you repeat to people often enough, eventually they believe it. And then you regurgitate Hubbard's teachings here as if he were some kind of saint instead of a thief and a liar. WTF? :shrug:

And if dishonesty isn't enough, Hubbard was also a hypocrite. He spoke out against pharmaceutical drugs and taught his blind followers to stop taking their prescribed medicines and instead follow his witchdoctor treatments.

Meanwhile, he was a raving drug addict and drunk as he sailed the oceans in his private flotilla attended to hand and foot by barely dressed teenaged girls.

Read the "Legal difficulties and life on the high seas" section of the Wiki article for more. It excerpts sections of his unauthorized biography coving this and much more hypocrisy.

He has also made the following false claims:

That he was a much decorated war hero. He was not.

That he commanded a corvette squadron. He did not.

That he was awarded the Purple Heart, a gallantry decoration for those wounded in action. He was not wounded and was not decorated.

That he was crippled and blinded in the war and cured himself with Dianetic technique. He was not crippled and was not blinded. :rofl2:

That he was sent by U.S. Naval Intelligence to break up a black magic ring in California. He was not. He was himself a member of that occult group and practiced ritual sexual magic in it.


So yeah, this ^^^ probably explains the media's discrediting of Hubbard and his cult.

If the shit he taught is so good, why all the lies? Why teach against some things, then be a hypocrite and do those same things yourself? I'll tell you why. Because Hubbard was a skilled and consummate con artist who took advantage of the fact that blind cult followers never think for themselves or question anything their leaders say.

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Re: What happens to knowledge and wisdom on Earth [Re: Diploid]
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i don't think any more needs to be said :thumbup:


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Re: What happens to knowledge and wisdom on Earth [Re: onlynow]
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See one needs to be able to DIFFERENTIATE between Hubbard, Scientology, Church of Scientology and Scientologists...

They are not the same thing...and can't be accurately judged by the other...

Only an idiot would try and then of course come up with ridiculous conclusions.

I am talking about the SUBJECT of Scientology.

Something you have likely never studied...yet profess to know all about...

But your ignorance shines...and will likely shine on forever.

And if no more needs to be said, then shut your rooster-holster.


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"I communicate, therefore I am" - I

"Nature is ancient, but surprises us all." - Björk

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Re: What happens to knowledge and wisdom on Earth [Re: Pulsating]
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Okay. Say I am a documented liar, a drug user and a flake fiction writer. I start an organization which looks to the world like a corrupt pile of poop. At the center of the organization are my writings.

Why on earth would you even want to study my writings and give them your consideration?

Okay. Maybe you would want to. But can you honestly blame anyone else for trying to discredit my writing or refusing to give them a fair reading?


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Re: What happens to knowledge and wisdom on Earth [Re: SCleROTiUM_LICK]
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Okay. Say I am a documented liar, a drug user and a flake fiction writer. I start an organization which looks to the world like a corrupt pile of poop. At the center of the organization are my writings.



Deja vu... :lol:


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And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
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Here my heart knows calm
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Re: What happens to knowledge and wisdom on Earth [Re: SCleROTiUM_LICK]
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SCleROTiUM_LICK said:
Okay. Say I am a documented liar, a drug user and a flake fiction writer. I start an organization which looks to the world like a corrupt pile of poop. At the center of the organization are my writings.

Why on earth would you even want to study my writings and give them your consideration?

Okay. Maybe you would want to. But can you honestly blame anyone else for trying to discredit my writing or refusing to give them a fair reading?




The more important question is...Why on Earth would you believe everything you read about someone you never met and about a subject you know nothing about...?

???


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"I communicate, therefore I am" - I

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Re: What happens to knowledge and wisdom on Earth [Re: Pulsating]
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Pulsating said:I am talking about the SUBJECT of Scientology.



then start speaking through yourself and not through scientology. then maybe people will start listening to you. until then, the split is gonna cut you off from potential connection, resonation and understanding.


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Re: What happens to knowledge and wisdom on Earth [Re: onlynow]
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onlynow said:
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Pulsating said:I am talking about the SUBJECT of Scientology.



then start speaking through yourself and not through scientology. then maybe people will start listening to you. until then, the split is gonna cut you off from potential connection, resonation and understanding.




Discussing a topic hardly qualifies as "speaking through it".

If someone doesn't listen, that is that person's issue they need to handle...

It is rather funny to watch some individuals run around acting like they know all about a subject because of something they saw on TV.

But then some others are brighter than that and understand that there are at least 2 sides to every story...and don;t submit to the passive brainwashing that occurs in our enlightened society.

I like your generalities, btw.


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"I communicate, therefore I am" - I

"Nature is ancient, but surprises us all." - Björk

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