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...about himself, this society and this Universe

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Don't you think he's taking it too far?
How can one make such erroneous assumptions about something that huge and unknown?
How can one make assumptions even about humanity like that?
To each his own I say.
In my opinion, running away from being manipulated straight in the arms of another dogma is not really a change.
And those who make a religion based on that are no different from those who want to start a new society. Meaning that they both end up in the same place where they left...

"...with a curve on it to make more slaves"

Notendo said:

It's hard to disagree with the kind of empty rhetoric Hubbard uses in that video.

I mean, sure, what a great idea! Let's not allow some kind of wisdom to be twisted around and used against humanity! I Agree with that!

So what's he talking about, really?

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Notendo said:

It's hard to disagree with the kind of empty rhetoric Hubbard uses in that video.

I mean, sure, what a great idea! Let's not allow some kind of wisdom to be twisted around and used against humanity! I Agree with that!

So what's he talking about, really?

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Notendo said:

It's hard to disagree with the kind of empty rhetoric Hubbard uses in that video.

I mean, sure, what a great idea! Let's not allow some kind of wisdom to be twisted around and used against humanity! I Agree with that!

So what's he talking about, really?

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onlynow said:

Fuck L. Ron Hubbard, I just don't understand who would listen to this blabbering pile of outdated shit.

"Beware of ANY person or group who doesn't want you to study a certain subject or look in a certain direction."

Beware of the Tao.

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Oh, you KNEW Hubbard? Cool, man.

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I guess you knew him

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Scientology is actually very current and applies to us all...

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onlynow said:

Fuck L. Ron Hubbard, I just don't understand who would listen to this blabbering pile of outdated shit.

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onlynow said:

I have done my research into Scientology and it makes me sick.  Don't go his way, go your own way.  Get over it!

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Well at least you're contributing to a discussion of ideas in a productive, meaningful way.

Do you have anything of substance to bring to this discussion?

Icelander said:

Scientology is actually very current and applies to us all...

Really? All of it?

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MushroomTrip said:

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Oh, you KNEW Hubbard? Cool, man.

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I guess you knew him

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Scientology is actually very current and applies to us all...

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How does it apply to us all?

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Pulsating said:

MushroomTrip said:

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Oh, you KNEW Hubbard? Cool, man.

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I guess you knew him

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Scientology is actually very current and applies to us all...

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How does it apply to us all?

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Well, keep guessing and you'll eventually get it right.

Scientology is about what IS and humans are on a gradient scale of Being-Not-Being...so, the rest is for you to figure out...


And Googling something doesn't constitute fully researching a subject.

Any fool with a few pennies and a computer can create a website and say whatever he/she wants...but if you don't believe me, browse the internet for a few hours...



True philosophy invents nothing; it merely establishes and describes what is.

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Pulsating said:

I enjoy South Park...but what does that have to do with the data contained in the subject of Scientology?

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onlynow said:

True philosophy invents nothing; it merely establishes and describes what is.

"establish what is"

what is what? what is IME is not being confined by the barriers of language and thought. i can also not tell you what is, nobody can. you have to experience to realize what is, why should you listen to Hubbard. why not tell it to yourself? realize yourself, then you will come to know what is.

we are all entitled to our own unique philosophy, why follow someone elses and not build and create our own through personal experience? you are contributing to your own duality by holding so much trust and belief in something that another man created. how are you so positive what his intentions are?

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kimikiri said:

I guess you never saw the episode that pokes fun at Scientology then...?

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Pulsating said:

True philosophy invents nothing; it merely establishes and describes what is.

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Icelander said:

If you are referring to my post I asked if "all" of Scientology applies to everyone. While there are some things that may apply to everyone I want to know why you believed that all of it applies to everyone.

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BlueCoyote said:

"Scientology is not an authoritarian subject... "
There seem to be sub-sects, which are.

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Pulsating said:

There are techniques that involve the asking of certain questions/doing certain drills that separate oneself out from the universe of Matter, Energy, Space, Time...

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sounds like a kiddy pool

asking questions and doing drills that separate oneself from energy and space sounds like complete and utter bullshit. you can't separate from energy because you are energy.

You are energy and love and power and light and vibration and waves of rapture and joy that extend far beyond your physical body – in fact they (you) never end because you are indeed connected to everything because everything is vibration.


Those who have vested interests in sickness and death (and the things which bring about sickness and death) don't want that...because as an individual separates himself out he becomes more honest, more ethical and more "self" uninhibited by the untruths contained in this universe...

separation from energy/consciousness descends one from unified conscious awareness into egoic dualistic awareness of 3rd dimensional reality. there are no untruths contained within the universe. it is all in the mind.

Can you feel the pull of your ego’s thinking? Now surrender that thinking to your Soul. Your Soul/SELF—your fifth dimensional consciousness—thinks very differently than your third dimensional ego/self. Your Soul/SELF thinks in pictures rather than lining words up sequentially. As an alternative to “having a thought,” your Soul/SELF will “have a picture.” Your Soul/SELF can zoom in, or zoom out, from that picture; it can step into the picture, or it can observe it. Your Soul/SELF can also observe your third dimensional ego/self, or any other part of your third dimensional world, whether or not your physical self is aware of that observation. Through fifth dimensional thought, you can deeply identify with every person, creature, plant, rock or drop of water.


Why do you think so much trouble is gone through to discredit Scientology in the mainstream media?

because people don't want to see others get their life fucked over by the scamming lowlifes that are Scientologists.


It really isn't a belief system, but instead something one *does*.

Taoism is much more effective IMO. there is less babble, no opportunity to be scammed and brainwashed, no Hubbard, no churches, no separation, no bullshit.

You are describing to me your belief system which sounds a lot like it is based on Scientology.

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Okay. Say I am a documented liar, a drug user and a flake fiction writer. I start an organization which looks to the world like a corrupt pile of poop. At the center of the organization are my writings.

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Deja vu...

SCleROTiUM_LICK said:

Okay. Say I am a documented liar, a drug user and a flake fiction writer. I start an organization which looks to the world like a corrupt pile of poop. At the center of the organization are my writings.

Why on earth would you even want to study my writings and give them your consideration?

Okay. Maybe you would want to. But can you honestly blame anyone else for trying to discredit my writing or refusing to give them a fair reading?

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Pulsating said:I am talking about the SUBJECT of Scientology.

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onlynow said:

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Pulsating said:I am talking about the SUBJECT of Scientology.

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then start speaking through yourself and not through scientology. then maybe people will start listening to you. until then, the split is gonna cut you off from potential connection, resonation and understanding.

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Notendo said:

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It's hard to disagree with the kind of empty rhetoric Hubbard uses in that video.

I mean, sure, what a great idea! Let's not allow some kind of wisdom to be twisted around and used against humanity! I Agree with that!

So what's he talking about, really?

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He's suckering people. He's saying don't trust anyone and then telling them to trust him.

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SCleROTiUM_LICK said:

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Notendo said:

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It's hard to disagree with the kind of empty rhetoric Hubbard uses in that video.

I mean, sure, what a great idea! Let's not allow some kind of wisdom to be twisted around and used against humanity! I Agree with that!

So what's he talking about, really?

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He's suckering people. He's saying don't trust anyone and then telling them to trust him.

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Exactly.
Some people though apparantly can't see the turd for the bits of corn.
"All hail the turd, for it carries corn-goodness!"

If someone wants to be a turd hugger, that's their choice.
I'm not hugging any turds. I trust I can find corn WITHOUT turd ensconcement. Others can take there mana from somebody's ass if they want to. I'll find another source.

I don't have to go any further from this video to discredit it. It puts forward the erroneous assumption that knowledge is in limited supply and thus easily corrupted. Knowledge isn't obscure. Its all around us.

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Diploid said:

Something you have likely never studied...yet profess to know all about...

I don't think anyone here claims to know all about Scientology, but it's not necessary to study something in depth to glean what it's about.

I've never immersed myself in communism, but I don't have to do that to know that it's a dead social system I want nothing to do with.

And I never met Hubbard or Stalin either, but I still have a pretty good idea what they were all about.

Also, there's plenty of evidence from former Scientologists (who ARE experts on the church) who had the presence of mind to extract themselves from that cult for me to make a well-informed judgment on the Church and its practices.

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There are court judgments against the church that are public records exposing their crimes and their lies.

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There are people who have been chased and harassed and frightened by aggressive church members when they spoke out against the church. The church even has a formal name for this ritual intimidation practice: Fair Game.

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Hubbard wrote the following about Fair Game:

The homes, property, places and abodes of persons who have been active in attempting to: suppress Scientology or Scientologists are all beyond any protection of Scientology Ethics, unless absolved by later Ethics or an amnesty ... this Policy Letter extends to suppressive non-Scientology wives and husbands and parents, or other family members or hostile groups or even close friends. Fair game may be deprived of property or injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed.

Meaning that for simply speaking out out against the church, the church can follow and scare the shit out of, and even INJURE my mother, sister, friends, and anyone else who knows me in an effort to force me to stop speaking the truth as I know it. That's fucked up.

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In this regard, they are equivalent to the Taliban who also hurt people who disagree with their religion.

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I don't have to know any more about the church beyond that ^^^ formal policy to know that it's a festering cesspool of superstition and aggression and I want nothing to do with it.

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And finally, if you don't like what someone here says about the church, stop reading. If you tell anyone to "shut their rooster-holster" again, I'll ban you so you can think about this:

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You don't start threads here then tell people who disagree with you to shut up. That's what the mumbo jumbo forum is for and Fair Game won't work here.

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I'll move this thread to mumbo jumbo if you like. Just ask. Otherwise it can stay here open to debate.

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Diploid said:

I am talking about the SUBJECT of Scientology

The SUBJECT of Scientology is codified in Hubbard and the church's writings. Other than what some former members have exposed, most of those writings are secret.

That's the church's problem, not mine. I can only go on by what is available for me to read.

Also, how does being a "former member" of a *group* qualify someone as an expert on a *subject*?

How else does one become an expert other than to be a member of the group or to read their secret writings?

The people I'm calling experts are former HIGH-RANKING members of the church. People who paid lots of money to ascend the through the various 'levels' then finally quit when reason overcame irrational superstition.

And when you say "their crimes", are you referring to every single Scientologist? Or is that just a generality?

I'm referring, for example, to the #2 person heading the church, Hubbard's wife, who was convicted of felonies done under church sanction and Hubbard himself who was never convicted but named by the court as a co-conspirator.

Are you saying that the #2 person heading the church does not represent the church?

But tell me, if someone was trying to destroy you and your family

How does speaking one's opinion about the church equate to destroying anyone or their family?

and there are also characteristics that you can identify an Suppressive Person (SP) by

Suppressive Person?? This must be one of the church's secret nonsense terms.

That same individual who I suggested shut her "rooster holster" initiated the exchange by sending derogatory private messages.

Then deal with them in private messages, not in the forum. There is an ignore button instituted for this exact purpose. Use it.

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trent said:

If I wanted to know Ron L. Hubbard's view on the knowledge and wisdom on earth I would watch Battlefield Earth. Luckily for me I'm not a fan of that kind of science fiction.

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MushroomTrip said:

How enlightened to fight over... enlightenment

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If you ever wondered if there are evil people on this planet, there are...and there are also characteristics that you can identify an Suppressive Person (SP) by.

http://faq.scientology.org/page39.htm

An SP has the majority of those characteristics.

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gooddrugguy said:

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If you ever wondered if there are evil people on this planet, there are...and there are also characteristics that you can identify an Suppressive Person (SP) by.

http://faq.scientology.org/page39.htm

An SP has the majority of those characteristics.

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Good lord, that alone convinced me that Scientology is not my thing. The description of an "evil" person comes very close to a cynic. I am by no means a cynic, but I definitely think they have an important role in society. I am also against any philosophy that tries to pinpoint an evil individual: ideas that become rhetoric that become violence on people who express a certain viewpoint. No viewpoint should ever be suppressed.

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