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what do you want to know about Scientology beliefs?
#8014933 - 02/12/08 08:43 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Since there seemed to be a recent rise in intrest about it, I figured it might not be a bad idea to answer questions about it.
Now, I am not a Scientologist, but I do know a shit load about it... especially its beliefs. and that is what I want to focus on, the beliefs. Im sure people will post videos from clambake and whatnot, but oh well, that comes with the territory I guess.
So if you have any questions concerning what a scientologist believes, like regarding afterlife, philosophy just any doctrines... feel free to ask them and I will answer them to the best of my ability and knowledge. Now I promise to not tell you anything that I dont know to be true regarding the churchs beliefs, and if so, i will preface it with "i believe". Because I havent been aroudn any scientologists for a while, my knowledge is probably 5 years or mroe out of date... but I dont think that much has changed.
so... ask away.
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Re: what do you want to know about Scientology beliefs? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#8014944 - 02/12/08 08:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Why do you know so much about Scientology? Personal curiosity or something else?
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Re: what do you want to know about Scientology beliefs? [Re: vigilant_mind]
#8014955 - 02/12/08 08:47 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Watch the episode of southpark on scientology. That will set you straight.
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Re: what do you want to know about Scientology beliefs? [Re: Draigan]
#8015037 - 02/12/08 09:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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how come scientologists believe that modern medicine doesnt work?
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Re: what do you want to know about Scientology beliefs? [Re: wortiesbo]
#8015110 - 02/12/08 09:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I do think it is because they believe in evolution
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Re: what do you want to know about Scientology beliefs? [Re: LuNaTiX]
#8015252 - 02/12/08 09:35 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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they give vitamins to scientology followers to try to cure mental disorders... i dont understand.
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Re: what do you want to know about Scientology beliefs? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#8015403 - 02/12/08 10:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Do they rely believe that boeing 747s flew in space long ago? People say that when they talk shit... Seems to me its just a description of what the craft looked like. It wasnt an actual jumbo jet.
Anyway, Im against all the scientology hating. Freedom of religion FTW.
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Re: what do you want to know about Scientology beliefs? [Re: vigilant_mind]
#8015677 - 02/12/08 11:13 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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vigilant_mind said: Why do you know so much about Scientology? Personal curiosity or something else?
well, I have spent a few years around it... also my mother is OT7. I have read many books on it, as well as had hours upon hours of discussion with scientologists.
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Re: what do you want to know about Scientology beliefs? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#8015691 - 02/12/08 11:16 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Wow, that's interesting. Is your mom open about it (at all)?
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Re: what do you want to know about Scientology beliefs? [Re: vigilant_mind]
#8015763 - 02/12/08 11:46 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I asked a scientologist once about their beliefs in the frozen volcano aliens and stuff.. because of the South Park episode.
I was disappointed when she made a joke about it and then made it clear that alien visitation isn't even a blip on their radar
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Re: what do you want to know about Scientology beliefs? [Re: DieCommie]
#8015775 - 02/12/08 11:51 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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DieCommie said: Do they rely believe that boeing 747s flew in space long ago? People say that when they talk shit... Seems to me its just a description of what the craft looked like. It wasnt an actual jumbo jet.
Anyway, Im against all the scientology hating. Freedom of religion FTW.
well actually, the galactic cruisers looked like DC 8s, but with rocket engines..
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Re: what do you want to know about Scientology beliefs? [Re: PilzeEssen]
#8015787 - 02/12/08 11:54 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm all for freedom of religion, which is why I'm against Scientology. The Church of Scientology viciously prosecutes anyone who practices Scientologist beliefs without being a member of the church, which costs a lot of money.
Don't swallow the BS.
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Re: what do you want to know about Scientology beliefs? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#8015899 - 02/13/08 12:22 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Whats up with the Scientologist Cruise ships that chiropractors talk so much about?
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Re: what do you want to know about Scientology beliefs? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
#8016042 - 02/13/08 12:50 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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MushmanTheManic said: Whats up with the Scientologist Cruise ships that chiropractors talk so much about?
how are you connecting chiropractors and scientologists?
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Re: what do you want to know about Scientology beliefs? [Re: PilzeEssen]
#8016057 - 02/13/08 12:54 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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There a disproportional amount of chiropractors that are also Scientologists and they talk to me about this damn cruise ship all the time.
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Re: what do you want to know about Scientology beliefs? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
#8016306 - 02/13/08 03:11 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Haha, random! Do you see a lot of chiropractors? Maybe they were interested in medicine and that was about all they could do that didn't conflict with their beliefs?
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Re: what do you want to know about Scientology beliefs? [Re: jizmaster]
#8017096 - 02/13/08 10:58 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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chiropractors are heavily endorsed by Scientology. They suffured the same burden as they did while trying to be legitimized. The medical associations would not recognize them because of its efficacy and radical ideas... still to this day the myths about chiropractors are alive. it was a threat to MD's and such so they tried to suppress it.
also the practice, and general understanding from the chiropractic community is parallel with certain things scientologists believe... I found this site... Chiro-watch.. really serious people who still claim that chiropractors are scam artists, but also make sure that you stop going to them because they are in leagues with scientologists. http://www.chirowatch.com/cw-scientology.html
and the cruise ship is the only place in the world that you can do OT8. It is called Freewinds. It is basically a church on the water, you can do almost any course on it.
here is a wiki link to it, it even has the prices for OT8 and other stuff. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freewinds
it says 10k for OT8... which isnt bad when you think about being on a cruise ship for a while and compare it to the cost of equal amount of time in a psychiatrists office.
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Re: what do you want to know about Scientology beliefs? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#8017097 - 02/13/08 10:59 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Tchan909 said: I'm all for freedom of religion, which is why I'm against Scientology. The Church of Scientology viciously prosecutes anyone who practices Scientologist beliefs without being a member of the church, which costs a lot of money.
Don't swallow the BS.
not true. what do you think Dianetics was?
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Re: what do you want to know about Scientology beliefs? [Re: wortiesbo]
#8017165 - 02/13/08 11:19 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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wortiesbo said: how come scientologists believe that modern medicine doesnt work?
Im pretty sure they dont claim that it doesnt work... they just feel that the entire foundation is corrupt and misguided. Most likely it is because scientology believes in what is called Engrams, and they dont like that western medicine completely ignores trauma.
(im going to explain this in layman terms, so that it is more understandable, but it isnt verbatim). An engram is a memory with a "charge"... basically an emotional build-up, that was caused by not confronting trauma. They believe that we store memories at (this is approx. since I cant remember the exact number, but it is close) 24 frames per second. and each frame contains over 50 types of data from input... such as sound, smell, external temperature, internal temperature, etc. so here is an example I give to describe it. lets say that when you were 8, you were playing outside while your dad was mowing the lawn, when suddenly a rock flies out of the lawnmower and nails you in the leg... then 10 years later, you are mowing the lawn, and all of the sudden your leg really starts to ache, right at that scar you got from the rock. now they believe that we are constantly referring to similar memories that we experience in the present as we go along our day (subconsciously, in a way). So if that day you got hit with a rock, you smelled freshly cut grass, it was 82 degrees, you heard the sound of a lawnmower, and felt the vibrating vinyl of the handle... you would automatically recall that traumatic moment when these conditions were created again... and as such you would revisit that pain.
so they use what they call "Touch Assist". it is rather difficult for me to explain... so here is a page on it.
http://www.scientologyhandbook.org/SH6_4.HTM
that has the theory, procedure, and uses of it.
so, I guess to completely answer your question, scientology doesnt claim modern medicine is useless, in fact, look at rule number 0 for the touch assist... but rather they believe that the common procedures create engrams and various other things in people. My mother is a nurse that specializes in Liver Transplants, and has been a nurse for the last 30 years... and there was never any conflict with that I believe.
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Re: what do you want to know about Scientology beliefs? [Re: LuNaTiX]
#8017170 - 02/13/08 11:21 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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LuNaTiX said: I do think it is because they believe in evolution
scientologists dont believe in evolution.
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Re: what do you want to know about Scientology beliefs? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#8019104 - 02/13/08 07:30 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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1. How do they believe the world was created?
2. What do they think happens when you die?
3. What do they believe about social issues like abortion and homosexuality?
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Re: what do you want to know about Scientology beliefs? [Re: Redstorm]
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Redstorm said: 1. How do they believe the world was created?
great questions! well, they arent defiant of cosmology... they do believe in the big bang... I guess. It really isnt on their radar though. But what is interesting is that they believe this is the 4th or 5th time the universe has exploded/imploded/exploded. I have no idea what their reasoning for it being a certain number of times is though.
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2. What do they think happens when you die?
you (as a thetan (soul)) most often find a new body... usually in the form of a developing fetus. But they believe that people low enough on the tone scale (tm) will inhabit objects, or lower lifeforms like trees... and then some just wander around delusional, confused souls.
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I honestly dont know their official stance on abortion... I think they view a fetus that isnt inhabited by a thetan to be no diferent than a peice of meat... but beyond that I dont honestly know. As for homosexuality, it isnt like other religions where you basically are shunned and spit on... they are to some degree accepting... but their stance on homosexuality still miffs most gays. Their stance is that through past lives somewhere along the way they became attached to a certain gender, and in this life, they were born opposite that favored gender and grow up with past life experiences, cognitions and memories which lead them to be attracted to the same sex. so.. in fewer words, they believe that homosexuals are merely confused about the role they are supposed to play. I could be wrong, but I dont believe that they have a specific course to "cure someone" of homosexuality.
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Re: what do you want to know about Scientology beliefs? [Re: SneezingPenis]
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Thanks. I'm not too educated on Scientology, so it's good to find out more about their core beliefs. I got one more for you.
Is Scientology like other religions in that they believe that you will not reap the benefits of an afterlife if you aren't a believer of their principles or do they believe that a generally "good" person will be rewarded for their virtues when they die?
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Re: what do you want to know about Scientology beliefs? [Re: Redstorm]
#8019574 - 02/13/08 08:49 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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yawning, I sent you a pm like around this morning. you need to answer it
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Re: what do you want to know about Scientology beliefs? [Re: Redstorm]
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Redstorm said: Thanks. I'm not too educated on Scientology, so it's good to find out more about their core beliefs. I got one more for you.
Is Scientology like other religions in that they believe that you will not reap the benefits of an afterlife if you aren't a believer of their principles or do they believe that a generally "good" person will be rewarded for their virtues when they die?
no, there isnt really any "chosen people" type beliefs, but they do believe that the knowledge they teach better equips a person for future lives.
L Ron and scientolgoy books all insist that "man is basically good and strives to be such". They dont believe that truly evil people exist. Even the serial killers and such, though wracked by guilt, dont do it from an intent to destroy the world... but merely a way to satiate a malicious desire. so, there are no good and bad people in the eyes of scientology. thusly, no one is rewarded over others by virtue or supreme being in the afterlife... they also maintain that there really is no afterlife, just existence without a body.
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Re: what do you want to know about Scientology beliefs? [Re: appleorange]
#8020231 - 02/13/08 10:49 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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appleorange said: yawning, I sent you a pm like around this morning. you need to answer it
I will answer your questions either way, but since this thread is that topic, could I get your permission to post only the questions you asked?
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Re: what do you want to know about Scientology beliefs? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#8020252 - 02/13/08 10:53 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: what do you want to know about Scientology beliefs? [Re: appleorange]
#8020362 - 02/13/08 11:16 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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How accurate is L. Ron Hubbard: Messiah or Madman?
I try to be as open-minded as possible, giving people room for their beliefs. I can understand some of the ideas behind Scientology; while on one hand their methods can appear like indoctrination or brainwashing, I am amenable to the idea that they may have helped some people in the context of spiritual healing.
Unfortunately, most of what I have read about Scientology forces me to the conclusion that it is run like a corporate cult. If I'm wrong, I'm waiting to be proven wrong.
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Re: what do you want to know about Scientology beliefs? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#8020405 - 02/13/08 11:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I will look at it. I am pretty sure I have, but I cannot comment on it until I watch it again. so, I will get to it when I can.
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Re: what do you want to know about Scientology beliefs? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#8020492 - 02/13/08 11:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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What do scientologists think about other religions? Particularly the big ones, Christianity and Islam.
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Re: what do you want to know about Scientology beliefs? [Re: Neon]
#8020802 - 02/14/08 01:12 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I know when you get to OT 8 you're supposed to get superpowers. is this another one of those things that they accept as fictional?
also, OT 7 is self auditing right? i'm really curious as to how your mom looks at going from OT 7 to OT 8. How will she know when she's ready? is it really exciting? Is she looking forward to superpowers or are there other benifits?
also do scientologists work together to gain business advantages in their private lives?
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Re: what do you want to know about Scientology beliefs? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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Tchan909 said: How accurate is L. Ron Hubbard: Messiah or Madman?
I try to be as open-minded as possible, giving people room for their beliefs. I can understand some of the ideas behind Scientology; while on one hand their methods can appear like indoctrination or brainwashing, I am amenable to the idea that they may have helped some people in the context of spiritual healing.
Unfortunately, most of what I have read about Scientology forces me to the conclusion that it is run like a corporate cult. If I'm wrong, I'm waiting to be proven wrong.
ah, sorry, I thought it was a video... but the name did ring a bell.
but I havent read that book, so I have no way of knowing if it is factual or not. but also, it seems like it focuses mainly on L Ron Hubbard. People often think that L Ron is the churches messiah, but he isnt. He is just highly revered.
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Re: what do you want to know about Scientology beliefs? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#8021802 - 02/14/08 10:28 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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here are appleoranges questions...
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1. Did Hubbard really make this religion to make money?
I really wouldnt know. I never knew the guy. but I guess what you are referring to is the alleged quote from him.
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Several people have been quoted as saying that they heard Hubbard talk of starting a religion to make money and avoid taxes some time around 1945 to 19.50. Among them are Jay Kay Klein, reporter Neison Himmel who shared a room with Hubbard in 1945, then editor of the "Thrilling" group of magazines Sam Merwin, writer Sam Moskowitz, science fiction writer Theodore Sturgeon, and writer Lloyd Arthur Eshbach. On the other hand, the church of Scientology has obtained affidavits from a David A. Kyle and Jay Kay Klein who claim they were at the same talk that Hubbard gave when Moskowitz claims Hubbard made the statement and that Hubbard never made the "start his own religion" statement. The Kyle and Klein affidavits have clashed with an affidavit from Moskowitz in a German court of law and the case was dismissed when the Moskowitz affidavit was produced.
but germany and scientology have a huge history with each other. It primarily stems from how integrated not only their persona and thinking, but their economy as well is based on pharmaceuticals (see Merck). In fact german officials openly declared that scientology was a threat to their democracy and that security forces are "keeping an eye on them".
at one point the church was banned, all churches were closed and many documents as well as e-meters were confiscated. If there is any place in the world where there is true religious persecution going on against scientology, it is in germany.
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no they dont believe the alien xenu created them. Scientologists believe that as a thetan you are billions of years old.
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It is all the same price mostly. there isnt some gradient of cost. Like I showed before, OT8 is 10k. things vary in prices, and there is no set amount that one person is going to pay to get to OT8. Scientologists dont really talk about "OMG OT3 was so expensive".. but more like "OMG, OT3 changed my life, it was amazingly worth it". so they seem content with the exchange.
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4. Also, just give me a general run down of the belief system, as if some joe schmo came up to you and asked what christianity was.
well, there is just so much, so I will just hit a few key things about it. if you notice the Scientology cross hass 8 points to it, which symbolize what they call the 8 dynamics of life. which is interesting in that it seems Timothy Leary might have modeled his 8 circuit model of consciousness after them. Seeing as how R.A.W. was so intrigued by L Ron and his relationship with Aleister Crowley. (OMG IT GETS SO DEEP!) but anyway...
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The first dynamic, self, is the effort to survive as an individual, to be an individual and to fully express one’s individuality.
The second dynamic is the urge toward existence as a future generation. It has two components: sex and the family unit, including the raising of children.
The third dynamic is the urge to survive as a member of a group. A company, a political party, a church or a social organization are all examples of the third dynamic.
The fourth dynamic is the urge for survival of man as a species. All of the races of man together constitute the fourth dynamic.
The fifth dynamic is the urge to survive for all life forms — animal or vegetable and anything directly and intimately motivated by life.
The sixth dynamic is the urge for survival of the physical universe and reflects the drive of the individual to enhance the survival of all matter, energy, space and time –the component parts of the physical universe.
The seventh dynamic is the urge toward existence as a spiritual being.
The eighth dynamic is the urge toward existence as infinity. This is also identified as the Supreme Being. Thus, this dynamic can be called the infinity, or God, dynamic.
those are the 8.
then there is the ARC triangle, which you can also find on their cross. It stands for Affinity, Reality, Communication, and it is a tech that is often used by scientologists. they posit that any relationship with something is based on how much you like them (affinity), how much reality you have in common, and how well you can communicate... and that by increasing any one side, you will ultimately increase the other two.
also, one of the biggest milestones for a scientologist, is becoming Clear. which basically means that you have erased all of your engrams and no longer have a reactive mind. reactive mind: that part of the mind which works on a totally stimulus-response basis, which is not under a person’s volitional control, and which exerts force and the power of command over his awareness, purposes, thoughts, body and actions. but the highest state attainable is OT, which stands for operating Thetan. Operating Thetan: a state of being above Clear, in which the Clear has become refamiliarized with his native capabilities.
there really is so much more, it just helps if you guys ask me certain specific questions.
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Re: what do you want to know about Scientology beliefs? [Re: Neon]
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Neon said: What do scientologists think about other religions? Particularly the big ones, Christianity and Islam.
they are 100% accepting. in fact, one can maintain their own religion and practice scientology. if you lok at the 8th dynamic I posted in the last post, it says "Supreme Being". now scientology doesnt mandate what that supreme being is to be called or characterized by, but just that there is a supreme force that in some way governs the universe.
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Re: what do you want to know about Scientology beliefs? [Re: truekimbo2]
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truekimbo2 said: I know when you get to OT 8 you're supposed to get superpowers. is this another one of those things that they accept as fictional?
I dont think anywhere, anyone has ever claimed to have superpowers as an OT. One main goal in scientology is to have more awareness. not like ribbon awareness, but spatial awareness... now that they will claim to have more of.
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also, OT 7 is self auditing right? i'm really curious as to how your mom looks at going from OT 7 to OT 8. How will she know when she's ready? is it really exciting? Is she looking forward to superpowers or are there other benifits?
yes, OT7 is the longest level. it sometimes takes people 10 years to complete it... but my mom isnt "in" scientology anymore. she practices it still, but she isnt doing anymore courses because she is where she wants to be at in life. why fix it if it aint broke? and my mother is an amazing woman. she is probably the coolest mother in the world. I wouldnt say she has "superpowers" but perhaps she has honed her mothers instinct. some uncanny shit has happened at times where I was in danger, or trouble and from states away she instantly knew. other than that, no, she cant leap tall buildings and stop bullets.
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also do scientologists work together to gain business advantages in their private lives?
well, much like the gay community, if there is a gay owned business, gay people will flock to it. there is a lot of intercommunity support like that. but back room deals and such, I wouldnt know about even if they do exist.
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Re: what do you want to know about Scientology beliefs? [Re: SneezingPenis]
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i remember reading somewhere, ill look for it again so i can post a link, that L Ron ordered, i think it was 5 grams of crystal LSD from sandoz back in the 50s.
there was a quote by him saying "if you want to become rich, start your own religion."
so who in their RIGHT MIND is going to subscribe to that science fiction BS......?
the guy did enough acid to realize how to work people.
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Re: what do you want to know about Scientology beliefs? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#8022054 - 02/14/08 11:41 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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you mentioned before that Scientologists expand their spacial awareness. what kinds of practise do they do to achieve this?
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Re: what do you want to know about Scientology beliefs? [Re: deranger]
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SyntheticMInd said: you mentioned before that Scientologists expand their spacial awareness. what kinds of practise do they do to achieve this?
you know there are so many little "techs", and I cant for the life of me remember the proper names of them... but one i recall is when someone is sleepy they take you for a walk and ask you simple questions about your surroundings... or they send you to go do this yourself. like they will ask you "do you see that book?" and you can respond "fish taco's" and they will say "good" and then ask "what color is that book?" and you can say "14" and they will say good.
it is merely what they call getting back in touch with your surroundings. I use that one when I am driving and I get tired. just start really identifying the road signs and colors of other cars and such. but that is a good question, so let me think back and try to remember some of the names of the techniques and I can probably find them online and refresh my memory.
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Re: what do you want to know about Scientology beliefs? [Re: SneezingPenis]
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but one i recall is when someone is sleepy they take you for a walk and ask you simple questions about your surroundings... or they send you to go do this yourself. like they will ask you "do you see that book?" and you can respond "fish taco's" and they will say "good" and then ask "what color is that book?" and you can say "14" and they will say good.
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Re: what do you want to know about Scientology beliefs? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#8023465 - 02/14/08 05:35 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Why does Scientology make such a fuss about psychiatry? Just because they are competing businesses - one trying to pass itself off as a science and the other trying to pass itself off as a religion?
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Re: what do you want to know about Scientology beliefs? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
#8024339 - 02/14/08 08:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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because they believe that they do more harm than good.
now, there are hundreds of little things I could point out, and go on and on... but that is because I personally have a huge beef with psychiatry. I wouldnt want that coming out and superimposed on trying to tell you guys what I know about scientology. but one big reason is probably that psychaitry threw the first stone. it wasnt scientology that attacked psychiatry because it was competition, but rather psychiatry that attacked scientology because it was competition. Dianetics actualy put a visible dent in income through that sector.
when I am not at work, I can post some shit that psychiatric organizations, or psychiatry linked professionals have done towards scientology... especially deprogrammers.
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Re: what do you want to know about Scientology beliefs? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#8024374 - 02/14/08 08:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm not a fan of psychiatry either, but whenever I talk to a Scientologist about it, they bring up irrelevant shit like Nazi psychiatrists during the holocaust.
Do you have any more information about psychiatry throwing the first stone? I'd like to know more about that.
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Re: what do you want to know about Scientology beliefs? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#8024375 - 02/14/08 08:26 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I just looked up, and found some original l. Ron Hubbard quotes, and bits from various scientology handbooks that say that An operating thetan can control matter energy space and time. I also found scientology source material that says that OT8 is the first "true" level of operating thetan.
i found second hand sources that imply that OT 8 is therefore the first OT level that A person can then begin controlling MEST (they're word for matter energy space and time).
so you're saying that you're unfamilar with this idea?
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Re: what do you want to know about Scientology beliefs? [Re: truekimbo2]
#8025560 - 02/15/08 12:46 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I am very curious about the L. Ron Hubbards relation to Aleister Crowley as well. I know that L. Ron Hubbard was Jack Parsons sort of scryer for various magickal rituals (which seems very sketchy to me, Jack Parsons trusted L. Ron Hubbard a great deal, then L. Ron Hubbard ran off with his girlfriend and his money). I do not know of L. Ron Hubbard actually having any relations to Crowley, but I will look into it.
Anyone have any info on this?
Edit: This seems like a good source for info on the relationship of Aleister Crowley to L. Ron Hubbard: http://www.mt.net/~watcher/crowleyhubbard.html
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Re: what do you want to know about Scientology beliefs? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#8025775 - 02/15/08 02:18 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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YawningAnus said: Since there seemed to be a recent rise in intrest about it, I figured it might not be a bad idea to answer questions about it.
Now, I am not a Scientologist, but I do know a shit load about it... especially its beliefs. and that is what I want to focus on, the beliefs. Im sure people will post videos from clambake and whatnot, but oh well, that comes with the territory I guess.
So if you have any questions concerning what a scientologist believes, like regarding afterlife, philosophy just any doctrines... feel free to ask them and I will answer them to the best of my ability and knowledge. Now I promise to not tell you anything that I dont know to be true regarding the churchs beliefs, and if so, i will preface it with "i believe". Because I havent been aroudn any scientologists for a while, my knowledge is probably 5 years or mroe out of date... but I dont think that much has changed.
so... ask away.
i just want to say to you yawning, that this thread is fucking righteous. way to be man, explaining shit for people who don't understand. 5 shrooms for you my dude.
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Re: what do you want to know about Scientology beliefs? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
#8026164 - 02/15/08 08:00 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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MushmanTheManic said: I'm not a fan of psychiatry either, but whenever I talk to a Scientologist about it, they bring up irrelevant shit like Nazi psychiatrists during the holocaust.
Do you have any more information about psychiatry throwing the first stone? I'd like to know more about that.
this might shed some more light on it. http://www.lronhubbard.org/eng/fightrae/page084.htm#civic along with this statement from scientology itself. ""What the Church opposes are brutal, inhumane psychiatric treatments. It does so for three principal reasons: 1) procedures such as electro-shock, drugs and lobotomy injure, maim and destroy people in the guise of help; 2) psychiatry is not a science and has no proven methods to justify the billions of dollars of government funds that are poured into it; and 3) psychiatric theories that man is a mere animal have been used to rationalize, for example, the wholesale slaughter of human beings in World Wars I and II".[4]
I thought about posting the things like churches getting burned down in germany, and deprogrammers being convicted of kidnapping.... but that isnt what I made this thread for.... once we get into the realm of "who attacked who" bias gets in the way... and Im not here to change anyones mind about scientology, but rather just present what I know about their beliefs.
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Re: what do you want to know about Scientology beliefs? [Re: truekimbo2]
#8026192 - 02/15/08 08:13 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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truekimbo2 said: I just looked up, and found some original l. Ron Hubbard quotes, and bits from various scientology handbooks that say that An operating thetan can control matter energy space and time. I also found scientology source material that says that OT8 is the first "true" level of operating thetan.
i found second hand sources that imply that OT 8 is therefore the first OT level that A person can then begin controlling MEST (they're word for matter energy space and time).
so you're saying that you're unfamilar with this idea?
no, Im not unfamiliar with it... but I think this is why it is so important to have some reference of their beliefs before you make assumptions. what he means is that everything up to OT8 was focused on giving you Cause over your own self, physically and mentally. "This is where Ron gets down to the fundamentals of a thetan with his native state capabilities operating in, and in contest with, the physical universe. Here is his discovery of the one factor which exceeds existence itself. These are the laws of life stripped from the very fabric of the MEST universe and laid down for anyone who wants to regain his true beingness and the ability that is natively his....Scientology 8-8008 begins the road to higher states of existence."
basically OT8 is the beginning of controlling your environment, or exerting cause over it... but Im pretty sure this doesnt include telekinesis, time travel and flying. but you are right in that OT8 is supposedly the very first point of being a true operating thetan.
there are actually 15 OT levels... probably more than that... but they havent been released. scientology claims that they will not be released until every single person on earth is Clear.
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