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Re: Why is LSD so hard to make? [Re: Konnrade]
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SO no, no-body here will be able to make lsd.

If you have the know-how and the supplies you can certainly make the stuff though, with ease.

"Ease" to a serious chemist is far different than the word means to you or me. I can understand about half of the crap that one needs to understand in order to make LSD...........

In other words, Im pretty good with things like chemistry or even just reading the synth, but it it still far from my grasp for various reasons.

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Re: Why is LSD so hard to make? [Re: stemmer]
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Okay, you say that no one can make lsd. What about the "idiots guide" by uncle fester? I beleive the book is Uncle Festeres guide to practicle lsd manufactureing. I have read THAT book and I understand about 80% of it. Is it worth anything? How about Otto Snow's :Acid? I beleive that has a synth in detail there too.

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Re: Why is LSD so hard to make? [Re: hightimesreader]
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just thought i'd throw in some support for wiccan seeker.

i'm sure ergotamine tartare isn't that hard to find. if it exists in sufficient quantities somewhere, or if it can be made with reasonable supplies, then I'd say almost everyone here has the ability to find it.

how many of you have chemist friends or family? how many of you know cool people that live in china or Mexico or where-ever.

if there is a will there is definitely a way on this one, its just about talking to the right people about it I'm guessing.

hell, find a company that produces it legally, go chill in that town and start meeting people... i'm sure someone who works there smokes weed.


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Re: Why is LSD so hard to make? [Re: truekimbo2]
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i dont think theres any place that makes ergotamine tartare legally, i thought the ONLY purpose of having it was to make acid.


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I remember being in DARE when i was much younger and some of the stories they would tell you are not only ridiculous, but completely untrue. One story was that a woman was on LSD and thought her infant was a turkey so she baked it in the oven. Now I look back and think thats hilarious, but at the time I guess it scared me.

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Re: Why is LSD so hard to make? [Re: hightimesreader]
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hightimesreader said:
Okay, you say that no one can make lsd. What about the "idiots guide" by uncle fester? I beleive the book is Uncle Festeres guide to practicle lsd manufactureing. I have read THAT book and I understand about 80% of it. Is it worth anything? How about Otto Snow's :Acid? I beleive that has a synth in detail there too.

HTR


Stemmer can't respond to your question. His post was more than a year ago and he's long since been permanently gone from the shroomery.

clover606 said:
i dont think theres any place that makes ergotamine tartare legally, i thought the ONLY purpose of having it was to make acid.


I think it is used in some cases to treat migraine symptoms but I could be remembering incorrectly.


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Re: Why is LSD so hard to make? [Re: Konnrade]
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I can get ergotamine tartare...

But I am in China, and from what I've seen, it isn't too cheap... (but I don't know how much is needed either)


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Re: Why is LSD so hard to make? [Re: PinballWizard]
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ergotamine tartate is used in migeraine medcines (ergometrine ect ect.) please stop spread the lie that its impossible to make lsd, if you want to do it bad enuff you can, your gonna have to do alot of learning and studying and money saving, but it is in no way impossible,


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Re: Why is LSD so hard to make? [Re: Konnrade]
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Konnrade said:
LSD is easier to make than many people think it is, but it is indeed very difficult.

The reason it's so hard is multi-faceted. Firstly, chemistry is complicated. I love chem, and I learn fast... but I'm still a total n00b. The most complicated thing I've ever synthesized is artificial flavoring. LSD is at least 5 times as challenging as that.
about.


an Ester?

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Re: Why is LSD so hard to make? [Re: Psilobuds]
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Psilobuds said:
Konnrade said:
LSD is easier to make than many people think it is, but it is indeed very difficult.

The reason it's so hard is multi-faceted. Firstly, chemistry is complicated. I love chem, and I learn fast... but I'm still a total n00b. The most complicated thing I've ever synthesized is artificial flavoring. LSD is at least 5 times as challenging as that.
about.


an Ester?


Yes, esters.


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Re: Why is LSD so hard to make? [Re: Konnrade]
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there you go, we already have one person in the network who has access to the precursors...

start saving your money kids, and make sure to enroll in organic chemistry...


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Re: Why is LSD so hard to make? [Re: truekimbo2]
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http://www.247-pharmacy.com/buy/hemicraneal.php

Egotamine tartrate

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Re: Why is LSD so hard to make? [Re: monkeybus]
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not tartrate


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Re: Why is LSD so hard to make? [Re: John Smith]
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John Smith said:
not tartrate


ergotamine + tartaric acid -> ergotamine tartrate

This is impractical: you are getting 60 tablets at 1 mg ergotamine (60 mg total) in a perfect world you would get 33.36 mg (~334 hits) of LSD. Ideally (if you were an excellent, very careful, patient, trained organic chemist) you would get ~16 mg (~160 hits). Although, in LSD terms, this is a decent quantity, it is impractical to conduct organic synthesis at mg scales. At the very least you would want to get at least 10 boxes of the stuff and I don't have $500 laying around. Additionally, I think it may be suspicious to buy 10 or more boxes of the stuff.
That said, anybody wanna get me some. :smile:
Also, if anyone here lives outside of america where ergotamine or any other ergot alkaloids are available, tell us how much it is in your country, and how readily available it is so we know which counties to visit.

Edited by AHoffman (01/08/08 08:58 PM)

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Re: Why is LSD so hard to make? [Re: AHoffman]
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Russia, Czech, China, India.

Duh.

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Re: Why is LSD so hard to make? [Re: AHoffman]
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Why not start with LSA? I wonder how difficult it would be to obtain a pure enough product from an extraction


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Re: Why is LSD so hard to make? [Re: Acyl]
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Acyl said:
Why not start with LSA? I wonder how difficult it would be to obtain a pure enough product from an extraction


Yeah, but again the problem is getting enough LSA to practically work with, without raising suspicions.

Heavenly Blue Morning Glory (Ipomoea Violaceia) seeds are about 0.04% LSA by weight (every 100g of seeds contains 40mg LSA). Assuming 50% yeild, MG would give ~24mg (~240 hits) LSD per 100g seed matter. That comes to ~2500 seeds of MG and, again, 40mg of LSA is still an impractical quantity of precursor for organic synthesis; I would set a practical lower limit around 200mg LSA (~500g [ > 1lb ] of seeds or ~12500 seeds [ 1lb sells for about $70 - search the net ]).

Hawaiian Baby Woodrose (Argyrea nervosa) seeds are about 0.30% lysergic compounds by weight (100g seeds -> 300mg lysergic compounds). Assuming 50% yield, this would give ~180mg (~1800 hits) LSD per 100g seed matter. I have been unable to find the seed weight of HBW seeds but they are significantly larger, so I estimate 1 seed weighs about 1g. Using this ratio, 100g would be ~100 seeds; this would probably be enough [ 100 seeds sells for about $40 - search the net (currently out of stock) ].

Again, buying these quantities would probably raise suspicion. Growing MG will probably not yield enough seeds unless you grow more than a couple dozen plants. Growing HBW is practical in warmer climates where the plants can be left outdoors in the winter. A few HBW plants would probably yield enough seeds every year. Both plants are legal in the USA, however extraction of LSA is not.

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Re: Why is LSD so hard to make? [Re: AHoffman]
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Split up the total needed amount between various vendors and sources, don't buy it all from one place. Problem solved.

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Re: Why is LSD so hard to make? [Re: twiggedoubt]
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http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/tihkal/tihkal26.shtml




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Edited by Shamanintraining (01/09/08 07:53 PM)

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Re: Why is LSD so hard to make? [Re: Shamanintraining]
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From my understanding, you can get ergotamine from a prescription drug called Cafergot. Is this correct?

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Re: Why is LSD so hard to make? [Re: shroomben2003]
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Quote:
Cafergot is the proprietary name of a medication consisting of ergotamine tartrate or ergoline and caffeine. This combination is used for the treatment of vascular headaches, such as migraine headache.

Cafergot is an abortive headache treatment, which prevents the development of the headache, rather than a treatment for an established headache. The medication should be administered at the first sign of headache.



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