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Swami
    #729546 - 07/07/02 05:17 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Do you believe in souls?


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Re: Swami [Re: ]
    #729568 - 07/07/02 05:28 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

No.

To all of those who do believe in souls, do you believe that ants, algae and bacteria have souls?


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Re: Swami [Re: Swami]
    #729590 - 07/07/02 05:40 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

So then you must believe that you are nothing but a body with a high-biotech computer that processes your thoughts and feelings? And you must believe that when you die there is nothing..just complete total eternal blackout? you must not have had deep trips if so.


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Re: Swami [Re: ]
    #729597 - 07/07/02 05:43 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

And to answer your question, yes I believe everything has a soul that is considered living.


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Re: Swami [Re: ]
    #729665 - 07/07/02 06:06 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

hey bro, saying that he doesn't believe in souls doesn't necessarily lead directly to what you said.

isn't arguing about the existence of a "soul" a bit pointless? what's a soul? how can you define it? how can you prove it's existence to yourself, let alone anyone else? where does it reside? what is it made of? what does it do?

it's like arguing about "free will", whether we have it or not we are still here, now, and we still have to decide what to do with that.

and do you somehow think that "a body with a high-biotech computer that processes thoughts and feelings" is a boring, mundane thing completely devoid of mystery?


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Re: Swami [Re: ]
    #729674 - 07/07/02 06:13 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

And you must believe that when you die there is nothing..just complete total eternal blackout? you must not have had deep trips if so.

I have no real belief concerning death. I know that it is impossible to know, so don't even bother conjecturing.

On these boards, it seems that we must repeatedly cover tired, old ground.

Have you EVER experienced anything on mushrooms that you found out to be completely false? I guarantee that the answer is "YES" for everyone. Is the fear and paranoia real? (The fear is real, but it's basis is not.) Is your best friend REALLY trying to kill you? (from a shroomery Trip Report) Do you really believe that you have 3 eyes when you look in the mirror?

Please explain how the profound experience of a living creature in a mushroom delerium can possibly reveal what is beyond the curtain of death. Note that emotional impact does not equal truth.

disciple: "Master, what happens after death?"
master: "I don't know."
disciple: "But you are a Master!"
master: "Yes, but not a dead one."


If just ONE person brought back a piece of previously unknown data, then I might be inclined to believe that the mushroom dimension was more substantial than scrambled neurons.

I know that you are quite young, but why do you think that 95% (a guess) of the tripping populace stops before they are 30? Perhaps because they realize that nothing is really going on. Continued regular use does NOT equal greater wisdom, but a prematurely aging body and increased mental instability.

Why do I still do them? I find low doses to increase my musical creativity, though I use them quite sparingly. I occasionally like to trip under the stars by a campfire to increase my sensitivity to natural beauty.



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Re: Swami [Re: Swami]
    #729941 - 07/07/02 08:12 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I have no real belief concerning death. I know that it is impossible to know, so don't even bother conjecturing.

Good Point......


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Re: Swami [Re: ChubbSubb]
    #730077 - 07/07/02 09:19 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Everytime Swami has a really good post... many regular posters conspicuously don't reply.
I wonder why.


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Re: Swami [Re: Sclorch]
    #730115 - 07/07/02 09:37 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Swami has his beliefs, and I respect them. I don't feel a need to tell him he is wrong about not believing in a soul. I believe everything has a soul, that is my belief. I'm not in the business of changing people's beliefs, rather sharing mine with others and finding a common link between them. Arguing about the something that cannot be proven to science is a waste of breath.

Have you ever loved someone or do you love someone? Prove it.


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Re: Swami [Re: ]
    #730118 - 07/07/02 09:39 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

What's a soul?


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Re: Swami [Re: ]
    #730124 - 07/07/02 09:40 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Life.


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Re: Swami [Re: Adamist]
    #730132 - 07/07/02 09:42 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Hmmm, the force.


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Re: Swami [Re: ]
    #730136 - 07/07/02 09:43 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Consciousness


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Re: Swami [Re: ]
    #730138 - 07/07/02 09:43 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

If you cut certain worms in two, both halves will regrow into whole creatures. So if I mutilate the poor critter, then I have just "created" another soul?


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Re: Swami [Re: Swami]
    #730142 - 07/07/02 09:45 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

No, you would have seperated the creature's physical body thus creating a parrallel existance for it.


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Re: Swami [Re: Swami]
    #730153 - 07/07/02 09:48 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Yes I beleive in souls (what I consider a soul is probably not what most people may consider one to be)

Yes, I beleive ants, algae, and bacteria have souls. Even rocks, socks and polka dots!!!(Dr. Suess kick there)

Your right no one can know what happens after death, except those dead and dying of course. Why bother? I could give a shit less what happens to me, I've written in my will that I be put in a dumpster somewhere (but I don't think thats legal) when I kick it. Or at least cut me up and serve my body at a homeless shelter. lol!!


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Re: Swami [Re: Swami]
    #730165 - 07/07/02 09:54 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

No you've created a very sad worm! But as I think the thinks I think I beleive both half's would have a soul, only smaller kind of.


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Re: Swami [Re: jonnyshaggs420]
    #730172 - 07/07/02 09:56 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

So... souls have some weird proportionally correct link with matter?
If so, what's the difference between spirit and matter?


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Re: Swami [Re: jonnyshaggs420]
    #730183 - 07/07/02 09:59 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Then I would have created a Filet of Sole?


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Re: Swami [Re: Sclorch]
    #730186 - 07/07/02 10:00 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

From 3d perspective, they are polar opposites.


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