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InvisibleSclorch
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Re: Swami [Re: ]
    #730196 - 07/07/02 08:04 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Seriously Shroomism, just stop talking.


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Anonymous

Re: Swami [Re: Sclorch]
    #730200 - 07/07/02 08:06 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

I am typing. And I will stop typing when I am done.


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InvisibleSclorch
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Re: Swami [Re: ]
    #730209 - 07/07/02 08:09 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

More egotism, eh?


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Anonymous

Re: Swami [Re: Sclorch]
    #730212 - 07/07/02 08:11 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

No, it is called Free Will


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Re: Swami [Re: Swami]
    #730221 - 07/07/02 08:13 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Exactly!!

As far as I'm concerned, all a soul is, is the "energy" locked in each peice of matter. Some types of matter hold more energy others hold less. You can even add to and remove energy from matter. Each particle has its own energy, thus when you cut the worm in two each half retains the original energy that they had. As the worms grow more energy is incorporated.

Think of it this way. Most all of us know the law of conservation of mass. Say you burn a peice of wood, the resulting ashes and smoke weigh the same as the peice originally did, but you could see and feel light and heat energy radiating out from the wood. This energy is part of the "soul" of the tree being split apart and the energy is then added to the surrounding matter. And no I don't see how they are polar opposites, this would mean they would be repelled completely from each other, not intertwined.


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InvisibleSclorch
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Re: Swami [Re: ]
    #730235 - 07/07/02 08:20 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Too bad free will isn't always paired up with a decent pattern recognition system.


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Anonymous

Re: Swami [Re: Sclorch]
    #730242 - 07/07/02 08:23 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

^^^^ Ignored


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Re: Swami [Re: ]
    #730245 - 07/07/02 08:27 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

I'm trying to comprehend the general definition of a soul. If a soul is consciousness, its a yes/no kinda thing, right? either they are conscious or unconscious. so does every soul have the same substance(whatever that is)? I mean, is my soul equal to the soul of an ant or bacteria? or like Johnny said, is it proportional to matter? therefore, is a 2 year old human's soul comparable to my own? or to a 7' big fat guy? or maybe complexity... If a soul is life, what is alive - being conscious or aware of your existence? well i suppose to determine the value of an organism's soul, you would first have to determine its function and role in everything. if every soul is one soul in the One-consciousness then my value spiritually is the same as that ant...(a bit tangent) can that ant produce as much love or compassion or even these thoughts i have now?

There's no way that anyone will ever know until you die. although i must admit it is fun to ponder. the most that hard trips could ever do is expand the perceived 'possibilities' about the undefinable. they cannot give you something you don't already know, and yes that includes things you put two and two together. ah, this is definitely on the list of my favorite 'unknown/undefinable' questions.
what is a soul
what is consciousness
what happens after death
what is art
what is the purpose of life/existence/reality
is there life extra-terrestrially
vy am i drippings vif goo
how did i get here


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Edited by Blastrid (07/07/02 08:30 PM)


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Re: Swami [Re: Sclorch]
    #730285 - 07/07/02 08:52 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

"Everytime Swami has a really good post... many regular posters conspicuously don't reply.
I wonder why."

Sclorch get off the bandwagon and start your own life.


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Re: Swami [Re: Swami]
    #730435 - 07/08/02 01:11 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

In reply to:

Continued regular use does NOT equal greater wisdom, but a prematurely aging body and increased mental instability.

Why do I still do them?




well, you dug your own hole here this time.


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InvisibleSwami
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Re: Swami [Re: mr crisper]
    #730445 - 07/08/02 01:47 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Some 10 trips in 20 years is not continuous, regular usage. Perhaps the word "abuse" is more appropriate for one of the main reasons most people quit, though it reeks of prohibition.

Now what hole did I dig?


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Re: Swami [Re: jonnyshaggs420]
    #730512 - 07/08/02 03:21 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Mana


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Re: Swami [Re: Sclorch]
    #730513 - 07/08/02 03:24 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

In reply to:

Everytime Swami has a really good post... many regular posters conspicuously don't reply.
I wonder why.





And visa versa


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Re: Swami [Re: Divine_Madness]
    #730557 - 07/08/02 04:17 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

What keeps you going in life Swami? Is the excitement of 'I don't know' ?
Yes, you see some bullshit on shrooms but there is sometimes the things you see that change your life because you *know* it to be true. And that it was a good deal more believable than just pink elephants floating aginst the wall.
And on my trip... Not even me being insane could I have fathomed up what i 'saw' and felt. I assure you there is life after death, eternal life.


Edited by dustin (07/08/02 04:22 AM)


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InvisibleSclorch
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Re: Swami [Re: ]
    #730863 - 07/08/02 07:16 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

me: Everytime Swami has a really good post... many regular posters conspicuously don't reply.
I wonder why.

hongomon: Sclorch get off the bandwagon and start your own life.

Just looking at the time stamps on all the posts. It's rather amusing to see how quickly things picked up after I made that post. I guess I struck a nerve with you guys and you just HAD to post after that. There is no bandwagon... 'cept the bullshit bandwagon... I'm guessing many people here (you know who you are) must have gold memberships. That's one club I won't be joining.


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Re: Swami [Re: ]
    #730912 - 07/08/02 07:49 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

yeah sclorch, you have such power that your posts urge others to redeem themselves... a bit conceited.

dustin, how can you assure anyone there is life after death? no matter what you saw or felt, it was fabricated by YOU. and only you and the mushroom. (this reminds me of discussing the existence of god with my girlfriend) how do you Know it to be true? the way i see it, no amount of faith, even if its every part of you believe it true, no amount of faith can equal 'knowing'. also, there's no way for you to completely show or explain to anyone what you saw and felt because we all know words cannot do justice to profound experiences on mushrooms.

also, whether or not we have a soul or if there is life after death is not the single drive in life. what keeps me going is the quest for knowledge, my love of being alive, and my love of music and being a musician. 'I don't know' actually drives me to discover more. i like it that way.


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Re: Swami [Re: Blastrid]
    #730934 - 07/08/02 08:01 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

If what I experienced (much better word to use than 'saw' or 'felt') was fabricated by me...theres shit in my head I never knew or thought about! how could *I* (being my body and brain) fabricate something I've never thought of or experienced before? ITS IMPOSSIBLE, especially to the extent that I went to. Next time you experience the never-endingness of the creator's thoughts come back to me and say you fabricated every bit of it.


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Re: Swami [Re: ]
    #730966 - 07/08/02 08:15 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

well, i'm not saying you did not feel this completely profound experience. it's wonderful you have extracted new ideas from your trips. but it was produced by you and the mushroom's affect on your body. you ate the mushrooms, they have chemical influences on your mind and your thoughts, right? where else would you have gotten these new ideas? no where else than from yourself. you have new thoughts all the time, you fabricate something everyday that you've never thought or experienced before. i've never thought about discussing this topic on the Shroomery before... yet these thoughts are brand new.
i'm just saying unfortunately you can never fully explain your experience to us, and also no amount of thoughts, faith, or self-produced experiences will equal truth.

the only way you will ever surely truthfully concretely know is when you die. even then you cannot explain it to us.


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Re: Swami [Re: Blastrid]
    #730989 - 07/08/02 08:24 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

In reply to:

no amount of thoughts, faith, or self-produced experiences will equal truth.


Maybe not to you, but certainly to the individual it can.
What is truth besides conclusions based on experience?


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Re: Swami [Re: Adamist]
    #731297 - 07/08/02 10:30 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

hm, very good point.
I suppose one's truth may not be another's. or rather, individual truth does not equal universal truth.


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