mattzdope said:

Fear/cowardice on the part of those who were there in that building.

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FrenchSocialist said:

mattzdope said:

Fear/cowardice on the part of those who were there in that building.

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If you are unarmed and you run after a guy with a gun, you are just asking to get shot.

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mattzdope said:

Surely a group of 10 unarmed men (likely half that number) could have easily charged and overpowered one man with 2 handguns.

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mattzdope said:

A lot of people are of the stance that "guns don't kill people, people kill people" which is good.

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Unless you get shot, then it's bad.

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Ames takes a systematic look at the scores of rage killings in our public schools and workplaces that have taken place over the past 25 years. He claims that instead of being the work of psychopaths, they were carried out by ordinary people who had suffered repeated humiliation, bullying and inhumane conditions that find their origins in the "Reagan Revolution." Looking through a carefully researched historical lens, Ames recasts these rage killings as, essentially, failed slave rebellions.

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ah, but an important factor was left out - antidepressants

http://www.24-7pressrelease.com/view_press_release.php?rID=18410

pretty shocking list, linking many school shootings to prescription drugs. Although I doubt the pharmaceutical companies would let this leak into the mainstream, much like you never hear of how microbiologists are always dying in strange ways.

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FrenchSocialist said:

The only reasonable solution to this kind of problem is to outlaw guns. I'm sure people could still use knives, but I don't think that anyone could kill 30 people with a knife at a college campus.

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and because drugs are outlawed nobody is in possession of or uses any

elbisivni said:

FrenchSocialist said:

The only reasonable solution to this kind of problem is to outlaw guns. I'm sure people could still use knives, but I don't think that anyone could kill 30 people with a knife at a college campus.

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and because drugs are outlawed nobody has or does any

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The only reasonable solution to this kind of problem is to outlaw guns.

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I'm sure people could still use knives, but I don't think that anyone could kill 30 people with a knife at a college campus.

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Seuss said:

I think it has less to do with Ronald Reagan and more to do with a society that for some insane reason brainwashes their children into believing that they are special little angles and that life owes them whatever they want.  Unfortunately, when the children leave the "perfect world nest" and have to deal with real life where they aren't special little angles that life owes whatever their desires dictate, they get upset, and in extreme cases, they lash out.

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Heck... just give the guy a joint... nothing like a little cannabis to take motivation right out of mass murder.

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FrenchSocialist said:

The only reasonable solution to this kind of problem is to outlaw guns. I'm sure people could still use knives, but I don't think that anyone could kill 30 people with a knife at a college campus.

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mattzdope said:

A lot of people are of the stance that "guns don't kill people, people kill people" which is good.

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America is the only nation in the developed world that thinks like this. People kill people with guns. You're not going to get a strangler massacaring 30 people in one go.

If you had tougher gun laws, you'd have less situations like this. Give me an example of any massacre where "right to arms" has helped those being attacked (the most common pro-gun argument - the ability to protect yourself from "evil people"). Students and children don't go around with guns, but maybe some people think they should? How many children and people are going to be shot dead before your nation changes the laws?

(edit) also, people who say that banning guns is pointless as criminals will always be able to get them: making something readily available is simply encouraging the problem. Reduce the availability, reduce the number in circulation, reduce the number of shootings. Fairly self-explanitory to most people non-USA (and Im sure to a lot of Americans too). Also, isnt it morally repulsive that your country legally provides these murderers with their weapons? Your government allowed this man to purchase and use a firearm to do this deed. I say the blood's partly on the hands of the pro-gun lobbyists. if everyone was anti-gun, noone could be said to have encouraged use of guns.

mattzdope said:

"guns don't kill people, people kill people"

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Ravus said:

Do you read the entire links you post? The last lines of that article say:

"The Citizens Commission on Human Rights was established by the Church of Scientology to investigate and expose psychiatric violations of human rights."

Not to mention the entire article lacks in scientific verity. It is possible that antidepressants can increase the risk of violence and suicide in susceptible individuals, but it's also likely that individuals prone to violence and suicide would be prescribed these drugs in the first place, so until you can separate correlation from causation it's meaningless.

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The shooter was “wearing a vest covered in clips was just unloading on their door, going from classroom to classroom … They said it never seemed like it was going to stop and there was just blood all over,” Harrison said.

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. The step that some governments take (like in Europe) is to take away guns due to horrific gun violence such as this. The only thing this accomplishes is for those with a criminial mentality to rule over the rest of the population. After all of the stories I have read about Muslim youths pushing people around on buses and flicking knifes and people dying when they stand up to them (after all, the police certainly aren't around to protect anyone), I could not tolerate an America that put its citizens in that kind of harm. Fuck that!

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