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Re: liberals vs. conservatives [Re: RadioActiveSlug]
    #1622677 - 06/10/03 01:33 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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Conservatives for the most part don't realize that all of exiistance is one entity useing levels of chemical complexity (life) to create phenomoa like consiosness, through which is can expereince itsself.



How's that? This sounds like you are professing a religious belief about something that NO ONE knows.

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Therefor hurting others only hurts yourself.



A conclusion built upon an unprovable concept - see above.

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that's why there are greedy fucks, they see seperation, and hold money as the absoulte level of self gain,



It seems to me that liberalism is the most materialistic of the two. Liberals think that anything can be solved by throwing more money at it (always someone else's money). To liberals, no sacrifice of the taxpayers is to great for their utopian schemes. Liberals never show compassion for those whom they think it is their natural right to enslave for society. The individual is looked upon as government property, as a resource to be plundered and harnessed for the 'greater good.' How come liberals don't consider it greedy to take ever more and more money in the form of taxes? Answer: hypocrisy.

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... and end up old alone, souless, and bitter,



Pffft. Malarkey.


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Re: liberals vs. conservatives [Re: rommstein2001]
    #1622684 - 06/10/03 01:36 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Well almost all differences between liberals and conservatives are beliefs rather than factual events, so really who is right is all dependant upon what your mindset is. Liberals think Big Bro taking large sums of our money and spending it on people who don't wanna work is ok, righties don't. (I'll admit, that's not how the welgare system is supposed to work, but thats how it does.) I'm off scouring news archives for specific instances of righties being right as well as lefties.


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Re: liberals vs. conservatives [Re: Evolving]
    #1622708 - 06/10/03 01:45 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Obviously, any generalizations about either side are going to be easily disproved, because generalizations can't be proved. This whole thread is pointless.


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Re: liberals vs. conservatives [Re: ]
    #1622725 - 06/10/03 01:55 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Conservatives were right when they speculated ol' Billy would ruin our defenses, During his administration he discontinued the manufacture of many ammunitions for military use, I'll have to look into which ones exactly. The whole security issues they had with our nuclear secrets was screwed up as well.

Liberals were right about the whole WMD thing, at least up to now. They either never had them or destroyed them, either way they were in compliance.


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Re: liberals vs. conservatives [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1622799 - 06/10/03 02:38 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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there are two kinds of people in the world: those who divide everyone into two groups and those who don't

 





lol i like that a lot  :grin:


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Re: liberals vs. conservatives [Re: 1stimer]
    #1623038 - 06/10/03 05:40 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

To put it simplistically in terms you'll understand.....
Liberals think people are too incompetent to fend for themselves and therefore think government should do it.

Conservatives think people can, and should, take care of themselves and government should leave them alone.

Conservatives aren't full of fear. We see the potential of the individual to accomplish.

Liberals are full of fear. Both of the realization that their "compassion" will be seen for what it is.... the lack of faith in their fellow humans, and the fear that their vote buying schemes will be seen as they are..... a pathetic attempt to herd the masses into orderly lines waiting for the next set of handouts, after which they'll again vote liberal hoping for more treats the next time.

General enough for you?



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Re: liberals vs. conservatives [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1623053 - 06/10/03 06:05 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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Conservatives aren't full of fear.




Then why are they supporting attacks on random countries in fear of WMD? And what about those billions invested in anti ballistic missile defense?


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Re: liberals vs. conservatives [Re: zeronio]
    #1623064 - 06/10/03 06:18 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Not all do.

It's called "better safe than sorry". Why do people want health, car or home insurance? Why do you throw out spoiled food when eating it may not kill you? Why do you have a spare tire in your car? It's better to be prepared than to react AFTER something has happened.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: liberals vs. conservatives [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1623068 - 06/10/03 06:23 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Yea, but I'm never gonna buy and wear a titanum helmet for 100000$ just because a meteorite may fell on my head.


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Re: liberals vs. conservatives [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1623071 - 06/10/03 06:26 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

But on a second thought you're right. They're not full of fear, they're just exploiting your fears.


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Re: liberals vs. conservatives [Re: silversoul7]
    #1623195 - 06/10/03 09:19 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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This has nothing to do with liberalism or conservatism. This is the same kind of ludicrous assumption that pinksharkmark made when he assumed that my socialist beliefs were related to my belief in moral subjectivism.






Oh sorry ass face, i guess i was jsut speaking for myself then. and my GF,....and the majority of spiritual psychedelic liberals i've known in my life time. I didn't mean to make a ludicrous assumption based on nothing else besides my life expereience, what was i thinking?

anyway it doesn't matter conservative, or liberal, all america gets to choose from is:





also many of you again seem to think that liberal means democrate, or libertarian, in fact true communisum is dissolvment of all goverment, where responsibility is removed from a few goverment officials and placed squarely on the citizens of the community (key word there "COMMUNITY")


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Re: liberals vs. conservatives [Re: Evolving]
    #1623202 - 06/10/03 09:32 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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How's that? This sounds like you are professing a religious belief about something that NO ONE knows.




its got nothing to do with religion. don't confuse religion with spirituality they're two very different things.


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Re: liberals vs. conservatives [Re: 1stimer]
    #1623218 - 06/10/03 09:40 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

most amusing.


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Re: liberals vs. conservatives [Re: 1stimer]
    #1623225 - 06/10/03 09:44 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

liberals are more left brained. liberals feel love and compassion for most people regardless of who they are and acknowledge that we are all one and share the same emotions, experiences and that some people can take it and some cant. liberals have a higher level of intuition and "motherly instinct"

if you're trying to say that liberals tend to make desicions based on their emotions, while conservatives rely on reason, i say you are correct.

they have excessive levels of testosterone. They have a fear and hatred of the unknown and "abnormal". They are compassionless and see others as competition instead of brothers. They live their lives full of hatred and fear and try to impose it on others.

are you joking? from where do you draw any of these conclusions?


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Re: liberals vs. conservatives [Re: RadioActiveSlug]
    #1623235 - 06/10/03 09:54 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Conservatives for the most part don't realize that all of exiistance is one entity useing levels of chemical complexity (life) to create phenomoa like consiosness, through which is can expereince itsself.

to the same extent, neither do liberals. what you're talking about is a concept foreign to western thought.

what you're talking about is a philosophical standpoint that really doesn't suggest any political ideology.

i will however, quote a little Lao-tzu for the crowd...

"When taxes are too high, people go hungry"

"When government is too intrusive, people lose their spirit"

-Tao Te Ching


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    #1623237 - 06/10/03 09:55 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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if you're trying to say that liberals tend to make desicions based on their emotions, while conservatives rely on reason, i say you are correct.





LOL, yeah emotions played NO part in going to war with iraq....


REMEBER 9-11!!!

have you forgotten how it FELT that day?

those TERRORISTS (terror is a fear based emotion) we must destroy them!
we ruined our economy(that's fake anyway)

liberals: wait, lets THINK about this, would attacking the AGAIN enrage them MORE and insite more attacks?!?!?!

Conservative: they attacked us, we must attack them (again)

I'll break it down for you right now

true Liberals are mostly stupid sheep, and a few intelligent people who want less suffering and more peace and equality for their fellow humans and all life on earth.

true Conservatives are mostly stupid sheep, and a few intelligent people who want more stuff(money, power fame), and are willing to lie, kill, and brain wash to get it.

that's my take on the whole thing, I come from a highly brain washed family and have only been able to enlighten a very few of them.


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Re: liberals vs. conservatives [Re: ]
    #1623243 - 06/10/03 10:02 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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what you're talking about is a philosophical standpoint that really doesn't suggest any political ideology.




sure it does
All political ideologies are based on spiritual/philosophical stand points. Republicans are fundimentalists christians. They take the bible literally, and pick and choose what parts they want to follow. their entire ideology is stepped in hypocrasy, (killing for jesus) and many don't even believe in the scientific FACT of evolution. When jesus comes back, he'll shop at walmart

however at least they have an ideology, the democrates are jsut bum chums of the industrialists, forceing oppressive "free" trade agreements, and makeing insane jail sentances for drug users, to make newly mothered house wives feel safe (little does she know her little brat will be given 10 years after he's revided from an bad hit 15 years later.)

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to the same extent, neither do liberals. what you're talking about is a concept foreign to western thought.




really? i'm from the western hemosphere, and i thought of it.
so did terrance mckenna
bill hicks
george carlin (without the aid of pycs)

Albert enstein was even able to prove it mathmatically.

i know what your saying, but i do think that it evolved in our culture too (a few thousand years later maybe)


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Re: liberals vs. conservatives [Re: RadioActiveSlug]
    #1623274 - 06/10/03 10:28 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

it's interesting that you draw a connection between eastern thought and socialism.

it was around the time of my first mushroom trip when i started to see the 'non-dual' nature of reality, and i started meditating and picking up everything i could find about eastern thought (mostly taoism and zen buddhism).

the idea that boundaries between self and other and between the "ten thousand things" are illusory would seem at first to suggest a political system in which everybody shares everything from one communal pool.

but the problem with socialism is that the sharing is forced. the other problem is that government programs usually are very poor. ringo starr was right when he said, "everything the government touches turns to crap". this includes charity.

when the wheels of government turn, it is violent force (or the threat of it) which turns them. government should be as limited as possible. ideally, the only purpose should be to prevent force or fraud between citizens and defend against foreign invaders. defense against force is the only justified use of force.

taxes are taken at gunpoint without consent. taxation is theft. taxes should be as minimal, and the government as small, as absolutely possible. ideally, we'd have anarchy. the troubles of anarchy are why we have government.

liberty is natural. equality is not.

some trees grow large and strong, and produce many offspring. some wither and die. no one interferes. this is why it works.


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Re: liberals vs. conservatives [Re: 1stimer]
    #1623402 - 06/10/03 11:54 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

i think the fundamental difference is in which is more important to a person: freedom or equality.

conservatives feel that freedom is more god-given, natural, and important than equality is (i'm not talking about the republican party here, just fiscal conservativism in general).

liberals feel that equality is the more important of the two.


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    #1623446 - 06/10/03 12:29 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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  but the problem with socialism is that the sharing is forced. the other problem is that government programs usually are very poor. ringo starr was right when he said, "everything the government touches turns to crap". this includes charity.





that's for damn certain,  and that why i think its important to recognize the difference between socialisum, and communisum.

a socalistic goverment is a good gise to set up a fascist one.  socialisum is forced.  However communisum; as seen in communes, and planned communities, is voluntary.

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taxes are taken at gunpoint without consent. taxation is theft. taxes should be as minimal, and the government as small, as absolutely possible. ideally, we'd have anarchy. the troubles of anarchy are why we have government.





i agree, and if the spiritual paradime could be brought to a level in which people would dennouce the evil of materialisum(without forming a religion), and learn the importance of communial living, along with the important of cultivating non-dominant symbiotic relationships with nature, while showing endless compasion towards their fellow humans, and respecting all life, intellegence, and kinds of knowlegde then anarchy would not exist in the absance of goverment.   
 
I certainly think something close to a utopian society could be achived if the medium of television was used not to control, and market; but to readily show all sides of thought. (and lots of cool trippy visuals :grin:)




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