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#1622442 - 06/09/03 10:14 PM (22 years, 10 days ago) |
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here's my view on the subject
liberals are more left brained. liberals feel love and compassion for most people regardless of who they are and acknowledge that we are all one and share the same emotions, experiences and that some people can take it and some cant. liberals have a higher level of intuition and "motherly instinct"
conservatives are more right brained and see everything as black and white. they have excessive levels of testosterone. They have a fear and hatred of the unknown and "abnormal". They are compassionless and see others as competition instead of brothers. They live their lives full of hatred and fear and try to impose it on others.
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 Re: liberals vs. conservatives [Re: 1stimer]
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Geez, man. Even I don't have such a bad outlook on conservatives. The difference between liberals and conservatives is basically this: liberals were raised by liberals and conservatives were raised by conservatives. There are some exceptions, but for the most part it's just how you're raised.
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Re: liberals vs. conservatives [Re: 1stimer]
#1622462 - 06/09/03 10:20 PM (22 years, 10 days ago) |
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there are two kinds of people in the world: those who divide everyone into two groups and those who don't
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Re: liberals vs. conservatives [Re: silversoul7]
#1622479 - 06/09/03 10:23 PM (22 years, 10 days ago) |
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"Geez, man. Even I don't have such a bad outlook on conservatives"
Sorry to disappoint you.
"liberals were raised by liberals and conservatives were raised by conservatives"
Im a liberal and I was raised by hardcore conservatives.
"There are some exceptions, but for the most part it's just how you're raised"
that is true but ive seen more conservatives have revelations and become liberals than ive seen liberals become conservative. once you're liberal you dont go back.
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Re: liberals vs. conservatives [Re: 1stimer]
#1622484 - 06/09/03 10:24 PM (22 years, 10 days ago) |
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once you're liberal you dont go back.
Tell that to Dennis Miller.
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Re: liberals vs. conservatives [Re: infidelGOD]
#1622486 - 06/09/03 10:25 PM (22 years, 10 days ago) |
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"there are two kinds of people in the world: those who divide everyone into two groups and those who don't"
So you are the kind that divides people into two groups then.
in my opinion most liberals dont see things so black and white and dont really consider themselves liberal or democrats. its just easier to talk about to call free thinkers liberals.
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Re: liberals vs. conservatives [Re: silversoul7]
#1622495 - 06/09/03 10:27 PM (22 years, 10 days ago) |
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Yeah i was wrong. Money, power, and greed do make you republican.
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Re: liberals vs. conservatives [Re: 1stimer]
#1622498 - 06/09/03 10:28 PM (22 years, 10 days ago) |
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I don't think this is political discussion, but rather an all out name-calling attack.
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yeah, but it involves politics and it is honestly the way i see and have experienced things, but maybe im jaded.
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Re: liberals vs. conservatives [Re: 1stimer]
#1622513 - 06/09/03 10:32 PM (22 years, 10 days ago) |
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There are several different kinds of liberals and there are several different types of conservatives. Among the liberals, there are environmentalists, socialists, civil rights groups, the "politically correct" crowd(the worst kind of liberal), etc. Among the conservatives, there are the libertarians(I would be one myself if I bought the whole "taxation is theft" premise), the religious right, the big business types, the imperialists(or "neoconservatives" as they're called), etc. This isn't all black-and-white.
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Re: liberals vs. conservatives [Re: silversoul7]
#1622527 - 06/09/03 10:38 PM (22 years, 10 days ago) |
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"This isn't all black-and-white."
I think it is more so than you think. go to a gratefull dead concert and see who considers themselves a liberal then go to a catholic church and see how many people are conservatives. people have different personalities but we are all slaves to our brains and its chemicals mainly the side that is dominant.
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Re: liberals vs. conservatives [Re: 1stimer]
#1622570 - 06/09/03 10:52 PM (22 years, 10 days ago) |
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Here's my view.
Liberals are more left brained. Liberals feel love and compassion for most people regardless of who they are even to to the point they say it was our fault that someone had to attack us to show how bad we are to the world. The acknowledge that we are all one acknowledge that we are all one but they are little bit more, because they can see the "truth". The rest of us are too dumb to really understand the workings of the world today, because some get it and some dont'. Liberals feeling that they are smarter than other people, makes them feel superior, and since they are obviously the only ones that care about anyone, they are more intuitive, with more of a motherly instinct and everyone know's that "Mom's way is best."
Conservatives are more right brained. Liberals interpret their actions to mean that they look at issues with a view that doesn't allow for enough options to handle problems. They are more decisive, seeing things with a logical simplicity, that just can't be right to liberals. Liberals think conservatives have a fear of the unknown. Actually the only ones who think it is unknown are the liberals. The conservatives have already figured out what to do. Convseratives are viewed as compassionless because they think people should succeed based on their own merit, and not something that was handed out and forced upon the unwilling. THey are also viewed as compassionless because they are willing to kill people that would kill the liberals at the first oppourtunity they had. Liberals sometimes think that Conservatives are full of fear and hatred. But in reality the liberals harbour the hatred of loosing the election(s). Liberals in Texas ran away from work when they didn't like the idea of actually loosing, imposing their will against the majority of voters there.
Obviously these are complete generalizations. Like I have said before, I am liberal on some issues. I would say Libertarians are closest to my way thinking
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Re: liberals vs. conservatives [Re: 1stimer]
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Oh and for the record. I used to be a liberal. I got into a debate with a conservative business owner one day and he destroyed every argument I had. I was determined to come back and redeem myself. So I set upon educating myself as much as I could about the issues. And for the most part, I think conservatives in general are usually right. It was hard for me to admit, and change my stance, but after I felt like I was truly educated about stuff. To surmise I think that liberals usually are more interested in ideals than outcomes.
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Re: liberals vs. conservatives [Re: 1stimer]
#1622623 - 06/09/03 11:06 PM (22 years, 10 days ago) |
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Conservatives for the most part don't realize that all of exiistance is one entity useing levels of chemical complexity (life) to create phenomoa like consiosness, through which is can expereince itsself.
Therefor hurting others only hurts yourself. that's why there are greedy fucks, they see seperation, and hold money as the absoulte level of self gain, and end up old alone, souless, and bitter, which of course, makes them WORSE.
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Conservatives for the most part don't realize that all of exiistance is one entity useing levels of chemical complexity (life) to create phenomoa like consiosness, through which is can expereince itsself.
This has nothing to do with liberalism or conservatism. This is the same kind of ludicrous assumption that pinksharkmark made when he assumed that my socialist beliefs were related to my belief in moral subjectivism.
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Re: liberals vs. conservatives [Re: 1stimer]
#1622643 - 06/09/03 11:13 PM (22 years, 10 days ago) |
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liberals are more left brained.
The whole left brained/right brained stuff is pop psychology. There is a structure known as the corpus callosum - look it up.
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liberals feel love and compassion for most people regardless of who they are and acknowledge that we are all one and share the same emotions, experiences and that some people can take it and some cant.
Sounds like a lot of conservatives I know.
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liberals have a higher level of intuition and "motherly instinct"
Sounds like a lot of female conservatives I know.
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conservatives are more right brained
See comments about liberals being left brained.
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...and see everything as black and white
Sort of like your liberal conservative dichotomy.
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they have excessive levels of testosterone.
This is silly. Do you have any medical data to back this up? Do you even know what you are talking about?
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They have a fear and hatred of the unknown and "abnormal".
Sort of like the liberal fears of firearms, personal responsibility, private charity, home schooling, prayer, traditional morality, religious upbringing and succesful business people.
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They are compassionless and see others as competition instead of brothers.
You really don't personally know many conservatives do you?
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They live their lives full of hatred and fear and try to impose it on others.
Funny, that sounds strangely like a lot of liberals.
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Can you just list off the top of your head what the conservatives are right about? I'd certainly like to know.
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Re: liberals vs. conservatives [Re: ]
#1622666 - 06/09/03 11:27 PM (22 years, 10 days ago) |
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just a quick-reply before I read thru everything...
Libertarians are right-winged but NOT conservative.
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I'm confused? What do libertarians have to do with what I asked?
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Re: liberals vs. conservatives [Re: ]
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It was a quick-reply, not to you but rather to silversoul.
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Conservatives for the most part don't realize that all of exiistance is one entity useing levels of chemical complexity (life) to create phenomoa like consiosness, through which is can expereince itsself.
How's that? This sounds like you are professing a religious belief about something that NO ONE knows.
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Therefor hurting others only hurts yourself.
A conclusion built upon an unprovable concept - see above.
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that's why there are greedy fucks, they see seperation, and hold money as the absoulte level of self gain,
It seems to me that liberalism is the most materialistic of the two. Liberals think that anything can be solved by throwing more money at it (always someone else's money). To liberals, no sacrifice of the taxpayers is to great for their utopian schemes. Liberals never show compassion for those whom they think it is their natural right to enslave for society. The individual is looked upon as government property, as a resource to be plundered and harnessed for the 'greater good.' How come liberals don't consider it greedy to take ever more and more money in the form of taxes? Answer: hypocrisy.
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... and end up old alone, souless, and bitter,
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Well almost all differences between liberals and conservatives are beliefs rather than factual events, so really who is right is all dependant upon what your mindset is. Liberals think Big Bro taking large sums of our money and spending it on people who don't wanna work is ok, righties don't. (I'll admit, that's not how the welgare system is supposed to work, but thats how it does.) I'm off scouring news archives for specific instances of righties being right as well as lefties.
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Re: liberals vs. conservatives [Re: Evolving]
#1622708 - 06/09/03 11:45 PM (22 years, 10 days ago) |
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Obviously, any generalizations about either side are going to be easily disproved, because generalizations can't be proved. This whole thread is pointless.
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Conservatives were right when they speculated ol' Billy would ruin our defenses, During his administration he discontinued the manufacture of many ammunitions for military use, I'll have to look into which ones exactly. The whole security issues they had with our nuclear secrets was screwed up as well.
Liberals were right about the whole WMD thing, at least up to now. They either never had them or destroyed them, either way they were in compliance.
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Re: liberals vs. conservatives [Re: infidelGOD]
#1622799 - 06/10/03 12:38 AM (22 years, 10 days ago) |
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there are two kinds of people in the world: those who divide everyone into two groups and those who don't
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Re: liberals vs. conservatives [Re: 1stimer]
#1623038 - 06/10/03 03:40 AM (22 years, 10 days ago) |
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To put it simplistically in terms you'll understand.....
Liberals think people are too incompetent to fend for themselves and therefore think government should do it.
Conservatives think people can, and should, take care of themselves and government should leave them alone.
Conservatives aren't full of fear. We see the potential of the individual to accomplish.
Liberals are full of fear. Both of the realization that their "compassion" will be seen for what it is.... the lack of faith in their fellow humans, and the fear that their vote buying schemes will be seen as they are..... a pathetic attempt to herd the masses into orderly lines waiting for the next set of handouts, after which they'll again vote liberal hoping for more treats the next time.
General enough for you?
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Conservatives aren't full of fear.
Then why are they supporting attacks on random countries in fear of WMD? And what about those billions invested in anti ballistic missile defense?
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Re: liberals vs. conservatives [Re: zeronio]
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Not all do.
It's called "better safe than sorry". Why do people want health, car or home insurance? Why do you throw out spoiled food when eating it may not kill you? Why do you have a spare tire in your car? It's better to be prepared than to react AFTER something has happened.
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Yea, but I'm never gonna buy and wear a titanum helmet for 100000$ just because a meteorite may fell on my head.
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But on a second thought you're right. They're not full of fear, they're just exploiting your fears.
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Re: liberals vs. conservatives [Re: silversoul7]
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This has nothing to do with liberalism or conservatism. This is the same kind of ludicrous assumption that pinksharkmark made when he assumed that my socialist beliefs were related to my belief in moral subjectivism.
Oh sorry ass face, i guess i was jsut speaking for myself then. and my GF,....and the majority of spiritual psychedelic liberals i've known in my life time. I didn't mean to make a ludicrous assumption based on nothing else besides my life expereience, what was i thinking?
anyway it doesn't matter conservative, or liberal, all america gets to choose from is:
also many of you again seem to think that liberal means democrate, or libertarian, in fact true communisum is dissolvment of all goverment, where responsibility is removed from a few goverment officials and placed squarely on the citizens of the community (key word there "COMMUNITY")
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Re: liberals vs. conservatives [Re: Evolving]
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How's that? This sounds like you are professing a religious belief about something that NO ONE knows.
its got nothing to do with religion. don't confuse religion with spirituality they're two very different things.
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Re: liberals vs. conservatives [Re: 1stimer]
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liberals are more left brained. liberals feel love and compassion for most people regardless of who they are and acknowledge that we are all one and share the same emotions, experiences and that some people can take it and some cant. liberals have a higher level of intuition and "motherly instinct"
if you're trying to say that liberals tend to make desicions based on their emotions, while conservatives rely on reason, i say you are correct.
they have excessive levels of testosterone. They have a fear and hatred of the unknown and "abnormal". They are compassionless and see others as competition instead of brothers. They live their lives full of hatred and fear and try to impose it on others.
are you joking? from where do you draw any of these conclusions?
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Conservatives for the most part don't realize that all of exiistance is one entity useing levels of chemical complexity (life) to create phenomoa like consiosness, through which is can expereince itsself.
to the same extent, neither do liberals. what you're talking about is a concept foreign to western thought.
what you're talking about is a philosophical standpoint that really doesn't suggest any political ideology.
i will however, quote a little Lao-tzu for the crowd...
"When taxes are too high, people go hungry"
"When government is too intrusive, people lose their spirit"
-Tao Te Ching
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if you're trying to say that liberals tend to make desicions based on their emotions, while conservatives rely on reason, i say you are correct.
LOL, yeah emotions played NO part in going to war with iraq....
REMEBER 9-11!!!
have you forgotten how it FELT that day?
those TERRORISTS (terror is a fear based emotion) we must destroy them!
we ruined our economy(that's fake anyway)
liberals: wait, lets THINK about this, would attacking the AGAIN enrage them MORE and insite more attacks?!?!?!
Conservative: they attacked us, we must attack them (again)
I'll break it down for you right now
true Liberals are mostly stupid sheep, and a few intelligent people who want less suffering and more peace and equality for their fellow humans and all life on earth.
true Conservatives are mostly stupid sheep, and a few intelligent people who want more stuff(money, power fame), and are willing to lie, kill, and brain wash to get it.
that's my take on the whole thing, I come from a highly brain washed family and have only been able to enlighten a very few of them.
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what you're talking about is a philosophical standpoint that really doesn't suggest any political ideology.
sure it does
All political ideologies are based on spiritual/philosophical stand points. Republicans are fundimentalists christians. They take the bible literally, and pick and choose what parts they want to follow. their entire ideology is stepped in hypocrasy, (killing for jesus) and many don't even believe in the scientific FACT of evolution. When jesus comes back, he'll shop at walmart
however at least they have an ideology, the democrates are jsut bum chums of the industrialists, forceing oppressive "free" trade agreements, and makeing insane jail sentances for drug users, to make newly mothered house wives feel safe (little does she know her little brat will be given 10 years after he's revided from an bad hit 15 years later.)
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to the same extent, neither do liberals. what you're talking about is a concept foreign to western thought.
really? i'm from the western hemosphere, and i thought of it.
so did terrance mckenna
bill hicks
george carlin (without the aid of pycs)
Albert enstein was even able to prove it mathmatically.
i know what your saying, but i do think that it evolved in our culture too (a few thousand years later maybe)
When i see the republican canidate, and the democratic canidate i see two puppets standing side by side. then i say "but wait a minuet, there's the same guy holding all the stings"
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it's interesting that you draw a connection between eastern thought and socialism.
it was around the time of my first mushroom trip when i started to see the 'non-dual' nature of reality, and i started meditating and picking up everything i could find about eastern thought (mostly taoism and zen buddhism).
the idea that boundaries between self and other and between the "ten thousand things" are illusory would seem at first to suggest a political system in which everybody shares everything from one communal pool.
but the problem with socialism is that the sharing is forced. the other problem is that government programs usually are very poor. ringo starr was right when he said, "everything the government touches turns to crap". this includes charity.
when the wheels of government turn, it is violent force (or the threat of it) which turns them. government should be as limited as possible. ideally, the only purpose should be to prevent force or fraud between citizens and defend against foreign invaders. defense against force is the only justified use of force.
taxes are taken at gunpoint without consent. taxation is theft. taxes should be as minimal, and the government as small, as absolutely possible. ideally, we'd have anarchy. the troubles of anarchy are why we have government.
liberty is natural. equality is not.
some trees grow large and strong, and produce many offspring. some wither and die. no one interferes. this is why it works.
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i think the fundamental difference is in which is more important to a person: freedom or equality.
conservatives feel that freedom is more god-given, natural, and important than equality is (i'm not talking about the republican party here, just fiscal conservativism in general).
liberals feel that equality is the more important of the two.
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but the problem with socialism is that the sharing is forced. the other problem is that government programs usually are very poor. ringo starr was right when he said, "everything the government touches turns to crap". this includes charity.
that's for damn certain, and that why i think its important to recognize the difference between socialisum, and communisum.
a socalistic goverment is a good gise to set up a fascist one. socialisum is forced. However communisum; as seen in communes, and planned communities, is voluntary.
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taxes are taken at gunpoint without consent. taxation is theft. taxes should be as minimal, and the government as small, as absolutely possible. ideally, we'd have anarchy. the troubles of anarchy are why we have government.
i agree, and if the spiritual paradime could be brought to a level in which people would dennouce the evil of materialisum(without forming a religion), and learn the importance of communial living, along with the important of cultivating non-dominant symbiotic relationships with nature, while showing endless compasion towards their fellow humans, and respecting all life, intellegence, and kinds of knowlegde then anarchy would not exist in the absance of goverment.
I certainly think something close to a utopian society could be achived if the medium of television was used not to control, and market; but to readily show all sides of thought. (and lots of cool trippy visuals )
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Re: liberals vs. conservatives [Re: 1stimer]
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Is it so hard to hold political views without placing a label on yourself and others? All you're doing is widening the margin between yourselves.
Also, I'd be interested in how libertarians fit into this, since technically they're neither "liberal" nor "conservative" by our modern definitions.
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you should note that in a communist system the government does the same thing as in a libertarian one. it's the people that conduct themselves differently.
i'd be a communist if i thought it could work. as it stands, i think communism is a myth. small communes of dedicated individuals could work of course, but not an entire society; at least not right now. maybe i'd join a commune myself. i sure as hell don't want to be forced into one though, and i don't think others should be either.
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See, that's what I've said for ages. The republicans just bend you over and ass-rape you shamelessly. The Democrats at least use some lube and give you a reach-around. 
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The only difference is the sneakiness. That's the difference with libertarianism, we are against assrape all together.
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See, that's the thing. Libertarianism doesn't work -- it just makes the corporations the assrapers.
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See, that's the thing. Libertarianism doesn't work -- it just makes the corporations the assrapers.
Exactly. If the government isn't raping people up the ass, someone else will make it their job to do so.
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Yeah, basically, someone's gonna get it in the ass no matter what. IMO, the gov't's job is to ensure that the fewest possible people get it hard up the ass, or that people get it up the ass a little less deeply than they would otherwise.
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i used to consider myself a libertarian but then i realized that if libertarians had power they also would ass rape people and abuse power. I now consider myself a compassionist. Go compassionist party.
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...That sounds good to me. %)
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i'd be a communist if i thought it could work. as it stands, i think communism is a myth. small communes of dedicated individuals could work of course, but not an entire society; at least not right now. maybe i'd join a commune myself. i sure as hell don't want to be forced into one though, and i don't think others should be either.
but its small communities that make up a society. that why i beleive that the society should be community based. Community based schools, community based food systems, and of course, inter community barter, of goods and art.
I think you should only have to pay you community tax (town/city) the city pays the county and the county pays the state.
of course being forced to be a communist is total bull shit. you can't force people to do anything, it goes against human nature. That why they currently use mind control to make people THNIK they're makeing their own desionsions.
make people think they are free
sure we got freedom of choice.
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The only difference is the sneakiness. That's the difference with libertarianism, we are against assrape all together.
maybe, it be interesting to see what they'd do, i'm still wary of them though.
it would be nice to get anyone in there besides Dem and reps
i think green has the best chance at that even though they're fuckers too, a change would be nice.
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Re: liberals vs. conservatives [Re: 1stimer]
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Here's a good example of liberal vs. conservative thinking.
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STUPIDITY MAGNIFIED
There are some days when my tolerance for stupidity is relatively high. Today is not one of those days. Either was yesterday.
So, may I send my heartiest thanks to some busybody listener who took the time to tell me about a certain column in a certain newspaper written by a certain college student that absolutely reeks of profound ignorance? I tell you, I was not ready for this type of idiocy today.
So ? on the theory that misery loves company, I?m going to foist this college student and her mindless opinions on you. My God, what kind of mush are they shoving into young minds at Georgia?s LaGrange College?
OK .. you know the name of the college ? the name of the student is Jennifer Horton. Jennifer is upset about the money that was spent both producing and viewing ?The Matrix Reloaded,? some $150 million.
Here ? read this one paragraph from Jennifer?s column. It should give you an idea of the stupefying level of her ignorance:
"Now, I'm not some anti-entertainment prude; I enjoy watching a well-made movie as much as the next person, but it does disturb me to see so much money invested in crashing a few cars just right when there are children all over the world who go to bed hungry, impoverished Africans without clean water and a multitude of people in Third-World countries suffering from disease. "
Now some of you are already a bit upset with me, maybe ourtraged, that I?m using such strong words to describe this lady?s mental abilities. Yeah, I guess it is a bit strong ? but I?m just getting so weary of seeing and experiencing what seems to be an ever-increasing level of ignorance in the American public. Maybe it?s just that the truly dumb ones are seeking attention while the smart ones are seeking their fortunes. You really hope that people like Jennifer actually get out there and learn something before it?s too late.
OK ? back to Jennifer?s column. She is particularly outraged that the producers of this movie actually built a two-mile freeway with all the fixings, including an overpass, exit signs and ramps. This freeway cost about $2.4 million. Jennifer says:
??the freeway construction funds could have instead paid for new schools in developing countries, immunizing children, giving families two oxen and a plow, providing homeless children with clothes, wells to supply clean water or reforesting thousands of acres.?
The flaws in Jennifer?s feel-good, leftist nonsense are so obvious I hesitate to even spend the time to put them in writing. But, hey ? I don?t have anything else to do at 5:18 in the morning, so here goes. I?m going to write a little letter to Jennifer.
Dear Jennifer:
I read your column in the Atlanta Journal-Constitution earlier this week.
Lady, you need help.
So, you?re upset that some Hollywood producers spent big bucks making a movie. You think that money might have been used to help some family in Africa buy a goat or to reforest some land in the Amazon. Well, isn?t that special.
Look, I fully realize that you?re at that unique and wonderful time of your life when you think that you know everything. After all, you are a college student! Over the next ten years you are going to learn some of the most valuable lessons of your life. Principal among those lessons will be the realization that true intelligence can be defined as "knowing what you don't know."
Though I'm not one of your professors at LaGrange College. May I be so presumptuous as to give you a little assignment? If you're willing, here is what I would like for you to do.
First, I would require your attendance at a screening of ?The Matrix Reloaded.? You would have to sit through the entire move ? including the credits. After the movie I want you to write the producers and ask for a print-out of those credits. Every name. Every single one. Each camera operator, lens cleaner, grip, dolly grip, electrician, driver, cook, makeup artist, sound engineer, public relations assistant, actor, stand-in, stunt man, writer, film editor, model maker, best boy, caterer, carpenter, composer, musician, special effects technician, choreographer, and every other person who?s name crawls across the screen.
These, Jennifer, are the people who earn their livings making movies like this. Their very livelihoods depend on the people who invest in these productions, and the people who produce them. So, here?s what I would like for you to do. Your assignment is to write a letter to each and one of the people who?s names you find on those credits. You will tell them why the money that they earned working on this movie should have been spent instead on buying goats for Africans and cleaning up a water supply in South America. Then you will write letters to the families of all of those people telling them why their husband, wife, mother or father shouldn?t have earned those Matrix paychecks. After all, why should they be allowed to work for a living while children are hungry and there?s acre without trees in the rainforest?
Wait, you?re not through. Since you?re so upset with that two miles of freeway that were built for this movie, you have more letters to write. You?ll do some research to find out just what construction companies were hired to build that two miles of freeway and bridges. You will then write a letter to each and every employee of those construction companies telling them just how wrong they were to accept this employment while there are families in Africa that don?t have goats. These letters will be followed by still more letters to the employees of the companies that supplied the materials and equipment for the construction of those freeways. Tell them that the money they earned should have been given to poor people.
After you write those letters I want you to do so research with a goal of finding out just what the movie producers did with the freeway construction materials that remained after the movie was completed. You might be surprised.
You?re almost through. Your last batch of letters will be to the men and women who work in the thousands of movie theatres around the nation who earn a living and support their families showing movies such as ?The Matrix Reloaded.? Tell them of your concerns about treating disease on the fringes of the Sahara.
You see, Jennifer, when money is spent on a motion picture ? or on any project for that matter ? it doesn?t just evaporate. That money makes its way into the pockets of people who have taken the time to learn a craft and develop job skills that are needed to put that movie in front of an audience. Those people in turn will use that money to support their families and realize their own dreams. If they want to pay for immunizations for children in Croatia, that would be their business. If they want to invest some of that money with the production company that hired them, that, also, istheir business. Those investments will lead to the creation of another move, and more tens of millions of dollars spent on such wasteful things as salaries for movie workers.
Now ? after you have written all of these letters, I want you to throw them away. You see, these people aren?t interested in listening to your mindless whining. They're too busy trying to earn a living while you waste your time writing mindless columns. Just take the postage money and go buy someone a goat.
Cordially,
Neal Boortz.
America's (and your) Rude Awakening.
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Liberals want to be the people's mommy's and conservatives want to be the people's daddy's.
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Re: liberals vs. conservatives [Re: 1stimer]
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Wow dude, you really know your stuff. Liberalism makes you rely on the government in order for it to work along with an EVEN LARGER BUREAUCRACY. Conservatism encourages private businesses to handle the job.
I've got my reasons for disliking the left.
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Here's a good example of liberal vs. conservative thinking.
Not quite, but nice there sport. I myself am a liberal and in no way agree with her kindergarten logic. Although you probably think every liberal is as stupid as her. Do you want me to post an equally asinine conservative viewpoint with a sharp liberal easily debunking him? Luvdemshrooms, your antics are really getting predictible at this point.
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And libertarianism encourages private business AND tries to keep big bro out of it as much as possible. We have a choice what businesses control us, but not government.
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I myself am a liberal and in no way agree with her kindergarten logic.
You and others. So what?
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Although you probably think every liberal is as stupid as her.
Nope. You're all different.
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Do you want me to post an equally asinine conservative viewpoint with a sharp liberal easily debunking him?
Ok, sure. Go for it.
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Luvdemshrooms, your antics are really getting predictible at this point.
I'll see if I can't learn some new antics just for you.
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>You and others. So what?
okay
>Nope. You're all different.
Yes. That is true.
>Ok, sure. Go for it.
That wasn't a real offer. I was pointing out how ridiculous the thing you posted was and doesn't hold any water as to what most liberals think.
>I'll see if I can't learn some new antics just for you.
Good. I'm sick conservatives bashing liberals. I try to be fair. I don't judge people because of their political believes. I accept and understand the conservative perspective on issues.
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I don't agree.
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I accept and understand the conservative perspective on issues.
Bullshit. Saying you'd kill people that think like me shows acceptance and understanding?
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I have schizophrenia and I would kill the ignorant scum of the earth (Luvdemshrooms, pinky, madtowntripper, and a certain idiot in office) in a second if I had a gun.
Bullshit.
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You always take my jokes serious. It's really annoying. Are you some kind a retard?
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Actually the retard would be the one making that "joke" in the first place.
I don't think it was a joke. I don't think you come across as a very stable, or honest, individual.
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Liberals are the biggest scam since the psycic friends network. Divide society, take from one and entitle to other, make it a crime to be rich, have a large groupe of middle class (workers) heavily taxed so they can be controlled, take what your leaders say as fact. Communism is just slightly evolved liberalism. Look at all the wonderful commy countries left in the world.
Liberals are just too stupid to think for themselves. Thats why most of them are poor or insanely rich. Poor people are well...too stupid to hold a real job, the "elite" (celebs, singers, etc) live in a fantasy world, they never worked for their money. Nobody has a gun to your head telling you that you have to make what you make. If you don't like your $5/hr job at McD's, get a better one. A liberal will take the $5/hr job and whine about how they can't afford a house, no benefits, etc. and demand that they be given to them. Now somebody that starts their own business by themselves, works 60 hrs a week and makes a small fortune off their own hard work is the type of person that liberals leach off of. What's funny is how liberals say that conservatives are greedy. Liberalism has more holes that swiss cheese. This is getting to long. Anyway, its good to see liberals finally coming to an end and if you dont like it, get your ass to canada because I dont feel like supporting it.
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Liberalism, Socialism, Communism What's the difference?
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Another example of how being too far to the right or left slowly starts shrinking your brain and emotions cloud your mind. It's called the ann coulter syndrome.
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That's some great stereotyping there.
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You know what I have learned from this forum? Both parties act out of fear and hatred for the other side, just in different ways. Both think they are right, and that the other is terribly misguided. This is laughable in the extreme. There is no objective, correct way to live life. Human opinions will ALWAYS clash. Political debate, while sometimes constructive, becomes useless and idiotic as soon as labels and stereotypes come into the picture. When you are no longer debating an issue but debating ideologies, the atmosphere of the "debate" will quickly become heated with emotion due to each person's life experiences and how they came upon their own ideology. This just fuels one's hate and resentment, and their political beliefs will no longer stand for logic and reason but for the fear and hatred that they build up for the opposing viewpoint.
I have seen this emotion from both sides. From infantile namecalling to all-out hatred and desire for the other to disappear from the face of the Earth. Any attempt at compromise is thrown out the window and they end up looking like school children hurling I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I insults. While the entertainment value of this is quite high, and makes this forum even funnier than OTD, it's an immature game full of delusions and tunnel vision.
As for those libertarians, don't trust them. They want to inject your children with heroin and have corporations rule the world! 
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liberalism: noun: a political orientation that favors progress and reform
socialism: noun: an economic system based on state ownership of capital
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my fear from conservatives stems from my experience from being a conservative. it is not unjust fear. I do not suspect shroomfarmer was ever a liberal nor would he ever put himself in someone elses shoes. his fear and hatred is unjust. And never have i said that i think all conservatives should move to canada.
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Lol, I just had to reply to this guy.
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Conservatives for the most part don't realize that all of exiistance is one entity useing levels of chemical complexity (life) to create phenomoa like consiosness, through which is can expereince itsself.
Yeah cause I'm sure all liberals were thinking just that, and I hear them arguing for it all the time. I think maybe you're not telling the whole truth here.
Conservatives, Liberals, and pretty much everybody else for the most part don't realize that all of exiistance is one entity useing levels of chemical complexity (life) to create phenomoa like consiosness, through which is can expereince itsself.
And neither do I.
Just to note, because it's taught both ways which is utterly stupid, the right brain is the more visual and spatial, mostly illiterate side. And the left side is the more number chomping, literate, decisive side. (Er, Actually I looked this up and the whole brain dominace thing is not even accepted anymore, by psychological research at least, if no one else) I don't believe that one's brain hemisphere dominance determines their political opinions, and certainly I think it's absolute bullshit that anybody'd suggest that the political parties are BASED upon right and left hemisphere dominance. (Which probably isn't as simple as you'd think) Here's the link to the psychology class stuff I found- Univ. Kansas Psychology
I was also gonna add that you didn't take into account that there are way less people who are traditionally considered "right brained" than left brainers. The term right brained nowadays is used for visual learners, people with learning disabilities, and peeps with ADD. Not liberal democrats, and even probably not for the people who understand that the universe is a single entity experiencing itself through varying levels of chemical complexity or life.
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Notnecstoned
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liberals and conservatives are two sides of the same coin
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Anonymous
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Re: liberals vs. conservatives [Re: Notnecstoned]
#1652157 - 06/21/03 09:32 PM (21 years, 11 months ago) |
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what coin would that be?
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