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Where do you get your Information??
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Ok, so every now and again the conversations come back and forth to the idea of 3rd dimension and 4th dimension and so on with the dimensions and all that stuff?

And then people start taking about how where going to switch dimensions in the next few years?

Now where did people get their ideas for this stuff ? Like seriously who has just read this stuff on Internet forums and who has heard this stuff from a friend of a friend of a cousin
Some of us on this site have said to of learned this information through alien contact?.

Remember the Heavens Gate cult who cut their peckers off for a comet??

I mean I?ve had a lot of crazy feelings an experiences not just when I?m tripping where something seems like its going to change or that I?m look at everyone in the world from the wrong perspective. Like I feel like we should connect with each other more?

Now I don?t want to sound like a Doubting Thomas here cuz I do feel like a change is coming, but then again that could be my subconscious connection to the Universal Overmind telling me that I need to change my undies?.

Seriously though who speaks a lot of hearsay information? Not that this information is bad just think back for a second on where you got this information from like what would be your citations if you wrote a paper on your beliefs of change?


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"...and to the left where up is down now stand a zebra made of shapes of me and silver and the sun so bring no guilt with you up above the flatline let's just hit the sky exploding into one." [ HUM ]

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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: SofaJesus]
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For me, From the following sources,
In order of importance:

~ God/ All that is/ Universal Insight
~ Other humans
~ Subconscious Memories
~ Subconscious Insights
~ Aliens/ Telepathy
~ Observations
~ Books
~ Websites


Edited by Shroomism (04/08/02 03:02 PM)

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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: ]
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Shroomism- you've got to be fucking kidding, right?


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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: Sclorch]
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No fucking kidding about it

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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: SofaJesus]
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I had a little revelation today at work, anyone seen that movie groundhog day, need i say more. Each day in the movie represents one of many evolutions and destructions, with each evolution after we remember more from the last because we incorporate signs and symbols or reminders from the past evolutions of what is going to happen to us the next time ( egyptian hyroglyphics ), also kinda reminds me of that one star trek episode where they keep colliding with that other star ship that comes through the time portal, they start to get strange feelings that they have lived this before as the evolutions progress and regress back to the starting point, eventually they start to incorporate messages from one evolution to another, hidden messages which will reveal themselves frequently and in multiplicity so they can understand what the hell is happening to them. however this time i think we as a society are getting it, the answer is to chose love above evil, to love and trust that our creator will save us onto the new earth ( fifth dimension ) if we come together as one and stop this age old problem we have been experiencing for many evolutions. Follow your hearts, they will lead you on the right path, and be very very aware of what happens around from here now in.


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insanity with a plan, a plan to stop exercising truth as compared to breathing thin air, but to experience truth as all there is to experience, for what do i not already have that exsists? All i can do is enjoy the ride.

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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: Sclorch]
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Did you have a point Sclorch? Or did you just want to laugh at me? Laugh away... I like laughing..

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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: ]
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No, I'm not laughing. I'm appalled (not surprised).
Another close encounter with the Image problem. The Image of free-thinking, the Image of an open mind, the Image of subversive thought, the Image of diversity...

You know, I wish that sort of crap didn't happen here (the Shroomery).

~ God/ All that is/ Universal Insight
Does God// just dial you up and let you in on the inside scoop?

~ Other humans
A little more reliable, as long as their methodology isn't based on aliens etc...

~ Subconscious Memories
~ Subconscious Insights
I think I can hit these both at once...
Def. subconscious- existing in the mind but not immediately available to consciousness.
I don't see how you're somehow exempt from the definition. So, no information can come from there...

~ Aliens/ Telepathy
Telepathy with aliens? Or are these two separate bogus sources? This is just crap. A major assumption that any educated person (and no mental illness) should even waste their time considering.

~ Observations
Pretty reliable for the most part. Of course, if all your observational "information" comes to you while you're tripping your balls off on 4g of shrooms, then you should reconsider the validity of that data.

~ Books
~ Websites
These are more reliable. But immense cross-referencing should be done on any website. Books about aliens or books that are sold exclusively at headshops also do not count.


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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: Sclorch]
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Does God// just dial you up and let you in on the inside scoop?

Yeah

A little more reliable, as long as their methodology isn't based on aliens etc...

I don't know anyone who's methodology is based on aliens

Def. subconscious- existing in the mind but not immediately available to consciousness.
I don't see how you're somehow exempt from the definition. So, no information can come from there...


Erm.. all memories and experiences are stored in the subconscious. The conscious cannot exist without it.

Telepathy with aliens? Or are these two separate bogus sources? This is just crap. A major assumption that any educated person (and no mental illness) should even waste their time considering.

Yep.. crap. That's the right word. I'm not even going to argue with you on this one... you're entitled to your opinion.

Pretty reliable for the most part. Of course, if all your observational "information" comes to you while you're tripping your balls off on 4g of shrooms, then you should reconsider the validity of that data.

Well... considering I trip on mushrooms about once every six months, and I make observations every second of every day.. I'd say not

These are more reliable. But immense cross-referencing should be done on any website. Books about aliens or books that are sold exclusively at headshops also do not count.

Yeah.

Notice my lack of argument. That's because I don't care. Where do you get your information from?

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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: Sclorch]
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You'd be surprized at the information you can get from yourself (subconscious) or God (the universe) if you train your mind to do so. Just because God hasn't spoken to you doesn't mean he doesn't speak. Or maybe you're just not listening.

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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: Sclorch]
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Don't you think it's pretty narrow minded of you to deny another person's experiences?


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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: Revelation]
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Man Chemical Blue -- thinking about that shit just fucks with my skull....

Schlorch --- How do you know that the things Shroomism says are false?

--- Are YOU shroomism???? No your not therefore you have know idea what has truly happened to shroomism

--I think you should really try to understand that instead of believe that things like alien contact aren't real

-- you always have to remeber the fact that you are only yourself so you can't make generalization that people are wrong in what they believe


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"...and to the left where up is down now stand a zebra made of shapes of me and silver and the sun so bring no guilt with you up above the flatline let's just hit the sky exploding into one." [ HUM ]

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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: SofaJesus]
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Hi. I'm shroomism. My experiences are valid for me. Maybe not for you, but that's why you are you, and I am me. I have my experiences, and you have yours. That's why we are different people. If we all had the same experiences we would be the same person. My little brother (3) told me that a demon burrowed himself behind his eye. Who am I to say that he is full of shit? I didn't experience it.
The other day I met a guy who said he could talk to the rainmaker. Me too, I told him.. and then we had a very intense conversation. He told me most people just think of him as crazy and give him weird looks and walk away when he tells them that. But let me tell you.. this guy was extremely intelligent and gifted, perhaps a bit on the schizophrenic side.. but if you were in his shoes you would be too.
My definition of experience is something that YOU, as a person, as yourself, have experienced. Whether it be a dream, a thought, or anything else. You can share an experience with someone else and even though you both experienced the same event.. you may have two completely opposite perceptions on it. It's all a matter of what you have experienced previous to that experience, which creates your perception of reality. Ramble end.

On a side note I would like to recommend a book. It is called
The Third Millenium - Living in the Posthistoric World by Ken Carey

Twenty stars. Seven thumbs up. Oh yeah!

Edited by Shroomism (04/08/02 07:58 PM)

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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: ]
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Don't you get it, mahn! We ARE the aliens. Aliens from mars, mahn. We've been so absorbed with finding out visitors from other planets that we can't even look towards ourselves (, mahn)

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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: TheShroomHermit]
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Heh..
True, very true.
Not to mention Venus and Maldek where used to live. (Maldek now being the asteroid belt)
But there are other intelligent humans.. and even non humans... from other solar systems. People need to be aware of that.

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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: ]
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Shroomism did this guy walk up to you in a public area?

I just wanted to know what was going on at the time. Like, did you go sit somewhere and talk to him for awhile.. and where would you go to have an indepth conversation like that?

Did you sense that the man was comming up to you before you spoke words and who is the rainmaker? Does that just mean "God" in the end or does everything just mean "God" in the end .......

Oh ya and tell me a little more about your 3year old brother --- If what you say is true then i think you should ask your little brother some general questions about how he feels about life --- I mean if this kid is 3 and he says a demon is in his head then he must have an interesting idea about being a live


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"...and to the left where up is down now stand a zebra made of shapes of me and silver and the sun so bring no guilt with you up above the flatline let's just hit the sky exploding into one." [ HUM ]

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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: ]
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I love this...
No, I'm not trolling. I really love it.

Okay, most of the people who responded negatively to my reply to this post are the same people who responded negatively to the "There is no Universal, Absolute Truth" thread that I started.

Convenient, don't you think?
I'm only trying to point something out, not just ruffle feathers (that happens enough on its own in here).

You completely disagree with me here and take the relativist stance with phrases like "My experiences are valid for me. Maybe not for you,..." Valid for X but not necessarily valid for Y? This is ethical relativism.

Let's get back to that post of mine now....
I argued that there is no universal absolute (relativism) and you (the very same people arguing with what I posted in here) jumped on my case for denying the existence of a universal truth (and/or belief system).

Revelation-
In the other post: "Yeah, I agree with that. But couldn't god be considered the one true thing? Isn't god the ultimate truth? "
=absolutism
In this post: "Don't you think it's pretty narrow minded of you to deny another person's experiences?"
=relativism (roughly, in terms of your post in the other thread, what about the athiest's lack of experience with God?)

Shroomism-
Within this post: "God/ All that is/ Universal Insight "=absolutism
also, "My experiences are valid for me. Maybe not for you, but that's why you are you, and I am me. I have my experiences, and you have yours. " =relativism


Here's an interesting case... I guess it's a selective stance philosophy (sounds interesting):
skaMariaPastora-
In this post: "Just because God hasn't spoken to you doesn't mean he doesn't speak. Or maybe you're just not listening. " =absolutism

In the other post: "Entertain ideas, contemplate them, but never believe them as absolute truth" =relativism


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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: SofaJesus]
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I just wanted to know what was going on at the time. Like, did you go sit somewhere and talk to him for awhile.. and where would you go to have an indepth conversation like that?


I saw him outside Burger King.. he seemed distressed and was pacing back and forth sort of mumbling to himself, I was sitting on a bench smoking a clove and he came up to me and said "I talk to the rainmaker".. what an icebreaker... we were outside Burger King the whole time like right next to the road sitting on this bench and talking. We never discussed "God" but that is what we were talking about, apparently he thinks similar to me, in that the word God is not good to use because so many people think God is a bad word nowadays. But Rainmaker probably just makes people think he's crazy. He wasn't crazy. This guy had a lot of knowledge.. but he was apparently very depressed because he was homeless and he told me about how the government took his house and car, and his wife left him and took the kids.. so he dedicated his life to wandering the streets and trying to help people not make the same mistakes that he did... but everyone just treated him like shit because he looks like a crazy bum. He really got a raw deal in life.. but he said it made him a much stronger person.. even though he doesn't have a place to sleep or always has food to eat.. he knows the rainmaker will always provide for him. I felt really bad for him.. his name is Joe. He taught me a lot.

Oh ya and tell me a little more about your 3year old brother

Well he's the spawn of my step-mother and my Dad. She doesn't raise him right.. I can clearly observe. She just watches TV all day and spends my Dad's hard earned money and lets her son run around in diapers. He's three ..almost four and not potty trained. My Dad works all the time so he can't stay home and take care of him all day. She has no idea how to raise a child. I hope he turns out ok.. but there's really not much I can do. But I feel like he is of the new breed of children.. who are destined to become enlightened early on in life.

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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: Sclorch]
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What are you saying? That objectivity and subjectivity cannot exist simultaneously within the same organism? I disagree.

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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: ]
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No, I am saying that you should check your perceptual apparatus as it is clearly not syncing up with your thought process. How come there is never a chance that YOU are wrong in your perceptions? I'll admit that I percieve things wrong all the time. So here is what is happening....
You're either flat out bullshitting (like most other alien-types do, I don't care if YOU think it happened... it didn't, because otherwise there would be evidence. And evidence is only found when something HAPPENS, unlike...) or you are schizophrenic (or some other mental illness). I'm sorry if you've had a bad life, I'm sorry if mommy was snorting coke when you were a fetus, really.... BUT GET A FRIGGIN' CLUE!
You don't really see aliens, astral projection is bogus, telepathy is impossible (neurochemistry kids, simple), meditation will never give you an experience even close to what a good dose of LSD will do, and God is dead (Nietzsche killed him... but seriously, no one will ever prove or disprove metaphysics. Just look at the failures of the Logical Positivists.)

Objectivity and subjectivity have nothing to do with this. I think your frammelmaster needs an adjustment.


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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: Sclorch]
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C'mon Sclorch, don't sugar coat it. Tell him what you really think.

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