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 SofaJesus
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 Where do you get your Information?? 
#602227 - 04/08/02 01:14 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ok, so every now and again the conversations come back and forth to the idea of 3rd dimension and 4th dimension and so on with the dimensions and all that stuff?
And then people start taking about how where going to switch dimensions in the next few years?
Now where did people get their ideas for this stuff ? Like seriously who has just read this stuff on Internet forums and who has heard this stuff from a friend of a friend of a cousin
Some of us on this site have said to of learned this information through alien contact?.
Remember the Heavens Gate cult who cut their peckers off for a comet??
I mean I?ve had a lot of crazy feelings an experiences not just when I?m tripping where something seems like its going to change or that I?m look at everyone in the world from the wrong perspective. Like I feel like we should connect with each other more?
Now I don?t want to sound like a Doubting Thomas here cuz I do feel like a change is coming, but then again that could be my subconscious connection to the Universal Overmind telling me that I need to change my undies?.
Seriously though who speaks a lot of hearsay information? Not that this information is bad just think back for a second on where you got this information from like what would be your citations if you wrote a paper on your beliefs of change?
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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: SofaJesus]
#602301 - 04/08/02 03:01 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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For me, From the following sources,
In order of importance:
~ God/ All that is/ Universal Insight
~ Other humans
~ Subconscious Memories
~ Subconscious Insights
~ Aliens/ Telepathy
~ Observations
~ Books
~ Websites
Edited by Shroomism (04/08/02 03:02 PM)
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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: ]
#602348 - 04/08/02 03:53 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shroomism- you've got to be fucking kidding, right?
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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: Sclorch]
#602361 - 04/08/02 04:06 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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No fucking kidding about it
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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: SofaJesus]
#602383 - 04/08/02 04:30 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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I had a little revelation today at work, anyone seen that movie groundhog day, need i say more. Each day in the movie represents one of many evolutions and destructions, with each evolution after we remember more from the last because we incorporate signs and symbols or reminders from the past evolutions of what is going to happen to us the next time ( egyptian hyroglyphics ), also kinda reminds me of that one star trek episode where they keep colliding with that other star ship that comes through the time portal, they start to get strange feelings that they have lived this before as the evolutions progress and regress back to the starting point, eventually they start to incorporate messages from one evolution to another, hidden messages which will reveal themselves frequently and in multiplicity so they can understand what the hell is happening to them. however this time i think we as a society are getting it, the answer is to chose love above evil, to love and trust that our creator will save us onto the new earth ( fifth dimension ) if we come together as one and stop this age old problem we have been experiencing for many evolutions. Follow your hearts, they will lead you on the right path, and be very very aware of what happens around from here now in.
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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: Sclorch]
#602391 - 04/08/02 04:39 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Did you have a point Sclorch? Or did you just want to laugh at me? Laugh away... I like laughing..
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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: ]
#602411 - 04/08/02 05:05 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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No, I'm not laughing. I'm appalled (not surprised).
Another close encounter with the Image problem. The Image of free-thinking, the Image of an open mind, the Image of subversive thought, the Image of diversity...
You know, I wish that sort of crap didn't happen here (the Shroomery).
~ God/ All that is/ Universal Insight
Does God// just dial you up and let you in on the inside scoop?
~ Other humans
A little more reliable, as long as their methodology isn't based on aliens etc...
~ Subconscious Memories
~ Subconscious Insights
I think I can hit these both at once...
Def. subconscious- existing in the mind but not immediately available to consciousness.
I don't see how you're somehow exempt from the definition. So, no information can come from there...
~ Aliens/ Telepathy
Telepathy with aliens? Or are these two separate bogus sources? This is just crap. A major assumption that any educated person (and no mental illness) should even waste their time considering.
~ Observations
Pretty reliable for the most part. Of course, if all your observational "information" comes to you while you're tripping your balls off on 4g of shrooms, then you should reconsider the validity of that data.
~ Books
~ Websites
These are more reliable. But immense cross-referencing should be done on any website. Books about aliens or books that are sold exclusively at headshops also do not count.
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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: Sclorch]
#602442 - 04/08/02 05:52 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Does God// just dial you up and let you in on the inside scoop?
Yeah
A little more reliable, as long as their methodology isn't based on aliens etc...
I don't know anyone who's methodology is based on aliens
Def. subconscious- existing in the mind but not immediately available to consciousness.
I don't see how you're somehow exempt from the definition. So, no information can come from there...
Erm.. all memories and experiences are stored in the subconscious. The conscious cannot exist without it.
Telepathy with aliens? Or are these two separate bogus sources? This is just crap. A major assumption that any educated person (and no mental illness) should even waste their time considering.
Yep.. crap. That's the right word. I'm not even going to argue with you on this one... you're entitled to your opinion.
Pretty reliable for the most part. Of course, if all your observational "information" comes to you while you're tripping your balls off on 4g of shrooms, then you should reconsider the validity of that data.
Well... considering I trip on mushrooms about once every six months, and I make observations every second of every day.. I'd say not
These are more reliable. But immense cross-referencing should be done on any website. Books about aliens or books that are sold exclusively at headshops also do not count.
Yeah.
Notice my lack of argument. That's because I don't care. Where do you get your information from?
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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: Sclorch]
#602450 - 04/08/02 05:57 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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You'd be surprized at the information you can get from yourself (subconscious) or God (the universe) if you train your mind to do so. Just because God hasn't spoken to you doesn't mean he doesn't speak. Or maybe you're just not listening.
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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: Sclorch]
#602460 - 04/08/02 06:03 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Don't you think it's pretty narrow minded of you to deny another person's experiences?
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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: Revelation]
#602488 - 04/08/02 06:34 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Man Chemical Blue -- thinking about that shit just fucks with my skull....
Schlorch --- How do you know that the things Shroomism says are false?
--- Are YOU shroomism???? No your not therefore you have know idea what has truly happened to shroomism
--I think you should really try to understand that instead of believe that things like alien contact aren't real
-- you always have to remeber the fact that you are only yourself so you can't make generalization that people are wrong in what they believe
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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: SofaJesus]
#602498 - 04/08/02 06:49 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hi. I'm shroomism. My experiences are valid for me. Maybe not for you, but that's why you are you, and I am me. I have my experiences, and you have yours. That's why we are different people. If we all had the same experiences we would be the same person. My little brother (3) told me that a demon burrowed himself behind his eye. Who am I to say that he is full of shit? I didn't experience it.
The other day I met a guy who said he could talk to the rainmaker. Me too, I told him.. and then we had a very intense conversation. He told me most people just think of him as crazy and give him weird looks and walk away when he tells them that. But let me tell you.. this guy was extremely intelligent and gifted, perhaps a bit on the schizophrenic side.. but if you were in his shoes you would be too.
My definition of experience is something that YOU, as a person, as yourself, have experienced. Whether it be a dream, a thought, or anything else. You can share an experience with someone else and even though you both experienced the same event.. you may have two completely opposite perceptions on it. It's all a matter of what you have experienced previous to that experience, which creates your perception of reality. Ramble end.
On a side note I would like to recommend a book. It is called
The Third Millenium - Living in the Posthistoric World by Ken Carey
Twenty stars. Seven thumbs up. Oh yeah!
Edited by Shroomism (04/08/02 07:58 PM)
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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: ]
#602585 - 04/08/02 08:04 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Don't you get it, mahn! We ARE the aliens. Aliens from mars, mahn. We've been so absorbed with finding out visitors from other planets that we can't even look towards ourselves (, mahn)
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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: TheShroomHermit]
#602645 - 04/08/02 08:50 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Heh..
True, very true.
Not to mention Venus and Maldek where used to live. (Maldek now being the asteroid belt)
But there are other intelligent humans.. and even non humans... from other solar systems. People need to be aware of that.
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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: ]
#602694 - 04/08/02 09:30 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shroomism did this guy walk up to you in a public area?
I just wanted to know what was going on at the time. Like, did you go sit somewhere and talk to him for awhile.. and where would you go to have an indepth conversation like that?
Did you sense that the man was comming up to you before you spoke words and who is the rainmaker? Does that just mean "God" in the end or does everything just mean "God" in the end .......
Oh ya and tell me a little more about your 3year old brother --- If what you say is true then i think you should ask your little brother some general questions about how he feels about life --- I mean if this kid is 3 and he says a demon is in his head then he must have an interesting idea about being a live
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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: ]
#602696 - 04/08/02 09:31 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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I love this...
No, I'm not trolling. I really love it.
Okay, most of the people who responded negatively to my reply to this post are the same people who responded negatively to the "There is no Universal, Absolute Truth" thread that I started.
Convenient, don't you think?
I'm only trying to point something out, not just ruffle feathers (that happens enough on its own in here).
You completely disagree with me here and take the relativist stance with phrases like "My experiences are valid for me. Maybe not for you,..." Valid for X but not necessarily valid for Y? This is ethical relativism.
Let's get back to that post of mine now....
I argued that there is no universal absolute (relativism) and you (the very same people arguing with what I posted in here) jumped on my case for denying the existence of a universal truth (and/or belief system).
Revelation-
In the other post: "Yeah, I agree with that. But couldn't god be considered the one true thing? Isn't god the ultimate truth? "
=absolutism
In this post: "Don't you think it's pretty narrow minded of you to deny another person's experiences?"
=relativism (roughly, in terms of your post in the other thread, what about the athiest's lack of experience with God?)
Shroomism-
Within this post: "God/ All that is/ Universal Insight "=absolutism
also, "My experiences are valid for me. Maybe not for you, but that's why you are you, and I am me. I have my experiences, and you have yours. " =relativism
Here's an interesting case... I guess it's a selective stance philosophy (sounds interesting):
skaMariaPastora-
In this post: "Just because God hasn't spoken to you doesn't mean he doesn't speak. Or maybe you're just not listening. " =absolutism
In the other post: "Entertain ideas, contemplate them, but never believe them as absolute truth" =relativism
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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: SofaJesus]
#602709 - 04/08/02 09:44 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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I just wanted to know what was going on at the time. Like, did you go sit somewhere and talk to him for awhile.. and where would you go to have an indepth conversation like that?
I saw him outside Burger King.. he seemed distressed and was pacing back and forth sort of mumbling to himself, I was sitting on a bench smoking a clove and he came up to me and said "I talk to the rainmaker".. what an icebreaker... we were outside Burger King the whole time like right next to the road sitting on this bench and talking. We never discussed "God" but that is what we were talking about, apparently he thinks similar to me, in that the word God is not good to use because so many people think God is a bad word nowadays. But Rainmaker probably just makes people think he's crazy. He wasn't crazy. This guy had a lot of knowledge.. but he was apparently very depressed because he was homeless and he told me about how the government took his house and car, and his wife left him and took the kids.. so he dedicated his life to wandering the streets and trying to help people not make the same mistakes that he did... but everyone just treated him like shit because he looks like a crazy bum. He really got a raw deal in life.. but he said it made him a much stronger person.. even though he doesn't have a place to sleep or always has food to eat.. he knows the rainmaker will always provide for him. I felt really bad for him.. his name is Joe. He taught me a lot.
Oh ya and tell me a little more about your 3year old brother
Well he's the spawn of my step-mother and my Dad. She doesn't raise him right.. I can clearly observe. She just watches TV all day and spends my Dad's hard earned money and lets her son run around in diapers. He's three ..almost four and not potty trained. My Dad works all the time so he can't stay home and take care of him all day. She has no idea how to raise a child. I hope he turns out ok.. but there's really not much I can do. But I feel like he is of the new breed of children.. who are destined to become enlightened early on in life.
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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: Sclorch]
#602714 - 04/08/02 09:48 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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What are you saying? That objectivity and subjectivity cannot exist simultaneously within the same organism? I disagree.
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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: ]
#602738 - 04/08/02 10:05 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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No, I am saying that you should check your perceptual apparatus as it is clearly not syncing up with your thought process. How come there is never a chance that YOU are wrong in your perceptions? I'll admit that I percieve things wrong all the time. So here is what is happening....
You're either flat out bullshitting (like most other alien-types do, I don't care if YOU think it happened... it didn't, because otherwise there would be evidence. And evidence is only found when something HAPPENS, unlike...) or you are schizophrenic (or some other mental illness). I'm sorry if you've had a bad life, I'm sorry if mommy was snorting coke when you were a fetus, really.... BUT GET A FRIGGIN' CLUE!
You don't really see aliens, astral projection is bogus, telepathy is impossible (neurochemistry kids, simple), meditation will never give you an experience even close to what a good dose of LSD will do, and God is dead (Nietzsche killed him... but seriously, no one will ever prove or disprove metaphysics. Just look at the failures of the Logical Positivists.)
Objectivity and subjectivity have nothing to do with this. I think your frammelmaster needs an adjustment.
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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: Sclorch]
#602747 - 04/08/02 10:15 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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C'mon Sclorch, don't sugar coat it. Tell him what you really think.
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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: Sclorch]
#602756 - 04/08/02 10:25 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ok
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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: Sclorch]
#602758 - 04/08/02 10:26 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Schlorch you wrote -------------You're either flat out bullshitting (like most other alien-types do, I don't care if YOU think it happened... it didn't, because otherwise there would be evidence. And evidence is only found when something HAPPENS, unlike...)
Now whose being absolute?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: skaMariaPastora]
#602857 - 04/09/02 12:09 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just because God hasn't spoken to you doesn't mean he doesn't speak. Or maybe you're just not listening.
Or maybe it doesn't speak to humans. Just because you think you hear a voice doesn't mean that God has spoken to you.
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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: SofaJesus]
#603297 - 04/09/02 12:19 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sofajesus-
Obviously you missed my post on heteroabsolutism. Baby steps... baby steps...
Furthermore, Shroomism is full of shit. And I hate it when jackasses like him just spit out pre-packaged bullshit.
Of course I can't see the aliens... I'm not "listening". Of course God doesn't talk to me... I'm not "chosen". Of course I can't communicate telepathically... I don't have the "gift". Of course I don't understand you logic... "It's beyond logic" or "It's beyond me". Of course I can't talk to spirits... "they don't want to talk" to me. Of course I can't levitate... I'm not "on that level". Of course I can't heal myself without drugs... I haven't learned the "proper technique". Are you catching on yet?
Look, I don't have a problem with imagination. I DO have a problem with people who boast about their "experiences" that only happened inside their head. "Experiences" that only a select group of "open-minded" people can have access to. It is hogwash and I can't believe you people can actually force yourself to think that those "experiences" (I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you did actually have some sort of subjective "experience"... instead of just calling you a liar) were real.
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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: Sclorch]
#603311 - 04/09/02 12:34 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Of course I can't heal myself without drugs... I haven't learned the "proper technique". Are you catching on yet?
Yes - you need to join Swami's "Self-Healing Internal Treatment" or (S.H.I.T) for only $39.95 per month you can participate in a study group at my website www.fullofit.com that will teach you everything that you need to know. Then and only then, can you be considered a member of the inner circle and laugh at the ignorant ones.
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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: Swami]
#603315 - 04/09/02 12:41 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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I didn't believe it either, that is, until I signed up for Swami's Self-Healing Internal Treatment program. Now I routinely bash my head in on purpose and with just a flick of the wrist *TA DA* I'm healed! Thanks Swami.
That actually is a website... hehehe
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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: Sclorch]
#603323 - 04/09/02 12:57 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dude, don't call Shroomism a jackass. Whether or not you believe in his experiences, he is just telling it like it happened to him. If you don't like it then don't listen.
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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: skaMariaPastora]
#603342 - 04/09/02 01:15 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm going to have to weigh in with Sclorch. People who "experience" Shroomism's "reality" should not be operating machinery in my reality. Automobiles, fork lifts, lawn mowers and anything with sharp edges should be kept out of their reach. I hope he uses public transportation (or teleportation) excusively otherwise he's a danger to others.
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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: Sclorch]
#603369 - 04/09/02 01:55 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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You wrote --------Of course I can't see the aliens... I'm not "listening". Of course God doesn't talk to me... I'm not "chosen". Of course I can't communicate telepathically... I don't have the "gift". Of course I don't understand you logic... "It's beyond logic" or "It's beyond me". Of course I can't talk to spirits... "they don't want to talk" to me. Of course I can't levitate... I'm not "on that level". Of course I can't heal myself without drugs... I haven't learned the "proper technique". Are you catching on yet?
Not being a dick to you, I'm just saying you don't give yourself much credit --thats how it seems......Why aren't you choosen? Seriously think about that. Just cuz it hasn't happened doesnt mean its not real
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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: Sclorch]
#603393 - 04/09/02 02:21 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Somebody needs to get laid..
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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: ]
#603412 - 04/09/02 02:34 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Huh? What? The topic of this thread is Where do you get your information? Not lets call Shroomism names because we don't think his where he gets his information is valid?
Seriously though, I don't care if you make fun of me, call me names, whatever. If it makes you feel better about yourself then I say go for it. But try to stay on topic. And take a xanax or something.
Edited by Shroomism (04/09/02 02:42 PM)
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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: ]
#603448 - 04/09/02 03:22 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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The grass is greener on the other side. We think the past was better. We hear stories, and watch tv. It seems so much better then than now. Things arnt the same, what is going on. We must have fucked up i guess, maybe the world is coming to an end. Must be. The tv told me so.
Live in the now.
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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: Sclorch]
#603507 - 04/09/02 04:18 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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In reply to:
God/ All that is/ Universal Insight
Does God// just dial you up and let you in on the inside scoop?
It's actually much simpler then that!
Im always talking, all the time, the question is not to
whom, but to whom is listening
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#603515 - 04/09/02 04:27 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm not being a dick just to be a dick. I'm not sexually frustrated (who are you, Freud?). I think I made my point.
I like how the only way you can respond to my post is by getting on my case for calling you names (sticks and stones, bub). Maybe I was just wanting to get your attention... maybe I want to have a serious debate, but I know you won't join in unless I attack you personally (if only a little bit).
If the strong language and incendiary tone are the only part of the message you heard, well then.... you fucked up.
You are part of a PHILOSOPHY (and Spirituality- note: NOT Aliens or Psychic Phenomenon) Forum. So act like a philosopher and make some friggin' sense. All of your "experiences" are "grounded" on the very same "experiences".... there is no method of doubt present whatsoever. There is no questioning the validity of your own "experiences". All you do is "experience" something and then run with that crazy fuckin' idea. AND I HAVE TO READ ABOUT YOUR DUMB LIES IN A PHILOSOPHY FORUM. And worse, you're associating Shrooms (a good thing) with jackass crazy talk (you're only ripping off McKenna anyways), thus changing the IMAGE of the psychedelic community in a way that is completely incompatible with most societies (if we ever want shrooms to be legal, there must be a non-jackass IMAGE associated with its use). That's why I call you a jackass. Jackass.
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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: ]
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Somebody needs to get laid..
Only sclorch? Are the rest here celibate?
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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: Sclorch]
#603545 - 04/09/02 05:13 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm really not being negative here, but don't you see how futile it is to argue with shroomism over what he whole heartedly BELIEVES is true. The whole thing is pointless.
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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: Sclorch]
#603661 - 04/09/02 07:34 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shroomism's experiences deal with Aliens & communication to the subconscious and the soul. they also deal with Densities of the soul, thus to him they have everything to do with spirituality. it seems most that have opposed Shroomism's beliefs are always so pissed off, or rather, they attack his arguments by calling it 'Bullshit' and 'lies', and calling him a 'jackass'. yes yes i know, a lot of people (Swami especially) use skepticism and their own experiences to contradict him, but "strong language and incendiary tone" don't really have a place in a logical debate. But I am glad there are those people here to argue against Shroomism, and anyone for that matter. We need the debating logic in a Philosophy forum.
Also, can't God (absolutism) be unique in each person's eyes (relativism)? that alone seems to contradict you Sclorch. Everyone can have unique experiences but can still have a belief in an absolute truth (or not believe). woah that's getting into the other thread.... you don't have to believe shroomism, just don't friggin attack him.
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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: Sclorch]
#603749 - 04/09/02 10:01 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Maybe I was just wanting to get your attention... maybe I want to have a serious debate, but I know you won't join in unless I attack you personally (if only a little bit).
If you want a serious debate.. try to avoid using words like "liar", "moron", "jackass", "full of shit", etc etc.. ad naseum. I won't even waste my time debating with you if you feel like attacking me is the only way to get my attention. That will just make me ignore you. I have no problem having a serious debate and/or conversation with you, so long as you can keep it respectful and act like an adult. If you want to think of me as a jackass, that's fine. I'm not going to even try and convince you otherwise. It's a waste of time.
Now, if you would like to continue this "debate" without attacking my character, I'll be glad to oblige. I don't care how much you hate me or loathe my personality.. show some respect.
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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: Blastrid]
#603758 - 04/09/02 10:14 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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A moderator from Mars doesn't fit in with an Earth Forum.
So, I'll gladly cut out the incendiary tone, the namecalling, and the whatever if Shroomism cuts out the aliens and all the other non-verifiable (what did you call it... "debating logic") dung he CONSTANTLY bombards us with. And don't even take that "you don't have to read it stance". Because I'm not just talking for me... I'm talking for the people who come here for PHILOSOPHY (not some weird, cultish, new-agish, mumbo jumbo- if you want to talk about that, make a new forum PLEASE). Don't bastardize the good name of philosophy.
Last time I checked, whenever GOD is mentioned.... there is "only one true" perception of God- that would be an absolute to whomever shared that belief. People who believe in a God are rarely tolerant. And if they are tolerant, it is only superficially (i.e. Christians getting along with Jews, but still "knowing" that the Jews are going to hell because they believe in the "wrong" deity). Superficial tolerance is even more preposterous than an overt "You sinners are going to hell!" complex, because it sets up this unbending elitist attitude towards non-believers. Even if you take a God-is-everything-and-everything-is-God stance, you're still setting up this dichotomy of right and wrong/"enlightened" and ignorant. This is what is the cause of most of the ills of this world. Believe in nothing = believe in thoughts. And don't pull the "but isn't that an absolute?" gimmick with me... it is a suggestion to a way of thinking (a philosophy), it is not an infallible foundation that absolutists so desperately cling to.
As to where I get my information... not from aliens (and I can prove it).
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Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: Sclorch]
#603826 - 04/09/02 11:19 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Even if you take a God-is-everything-and-everything-is-God stance, you're still setting up this dichotomy of right and wrong/"enlightened" and ignorant. This is what is the cause of most of the ills of this world.
That's a very good point. I never thought of it that way before. But at least a God that is everything is more tolerant that a God that explicitly states that nonbelievers will burn in hell for all eternity.
I agree that all beliefs should be replaced by thoughts. And along those lines, this is a forum for sharing thoughts. Spirituality has never been a well-defined topic, and I don't think any well formulated, honest thoughts should be discarded.
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 Re: Where do you get your Information?? [Re: SofaJesus]
#604083 - 04/10/02 07:14 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Is it too late to get on this "E" ticket ride, already in progress?
I don't go along with this 3rd and 4th dimension theory of aliens changing things and such......or that some shift is going to occur.....it may but I sense minor shifts all the time.
I do believe that the 4th dimension as I have come to understand it holds some keys to healing.
I have a friend whose brother has cancer. He went in for a bone marrow transplant and was given about a 10% chance of recovery. Things continued to look bad until some work in the 4th dimension was done to weaken the cancer and to give the bone marrow transplant a fighting chance. Within 3 days (and those of you working with healing know the significance of this), coincidentally after this 4th dimensional work the guy started to get better and is ready for release soon.
Aliens, most spirits, etc., they usually try to mis-direct me and get me off track. Do they talk? Yeah, sometimes but mostly I don't listen. Do I hear voices? Yeah, except that the voices don't tell me to plant bombs or kill people. Do I see things? Absolutely, I have seen the spiraled caverns in the sky. I have encountered races of beings who are humanoid-cat-like in appearance......I have seen the race who appear as living skeleton-like-humanoids......on and on.......................
If I were tripping.....no one would take issue with this. They would say, WoW! Great Trip!
But because I "sense" things....people just say I'm crazy or that I don't know what I'm talking about because I can't share my experience with them outside of words.......So what if my brain functions differently than most people ( it does, I have learning disabilities and dyslexia)....and this difference encounters....say...."something beyond myself".
Wouldn't my brain, with its past experiences giving it a frame of referrence, give some kind of substance and form to whatever it is that I encountered? Wouldn't my brain attempt to, say like in a dream or while on a trip, try to put some image or symbol on that something and make attempts to "understand" it or to classify it in some way? And isn't it possible that another person could encounter the same "something beyond myself/theirself" and that their brain, paired with their experiences could give that "something" a form? Couldn't this "form" vary from individual to individual given the personsal perceptions and experiences but still represent that "something" that is beyond the individual?
Then----what if the "something" is also "sentient"? Isn't it possible that in its attempts to communicate----- that it may impress a similar image on different individuals? This could result in different people experiencing something similar........
Like I said, if this were something in a trip.......there would be no arguements.....but because it is experienced regularly then it is viewed as strange. It is strange but only because the people experiencing this are having a different experience than most people.
In primative cultures, these would have been the seers and priest. Our society today is based on individual expression and perhaps some who don't experience the "odd" or "unusual" feel a kind of pressure to stomp out anything that is not the norm or that can not be experienced by all.
Society rings of the crys....Kill the heretic! Burn the witch! God is dead! There is only me! Anything beyond me doesn't exist!
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