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OfflineTannis
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Did you find God? Did you find anything?
    #587140 - 03/23/02 09:56 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Ok...I have to admit it.... I thought that when I tripped really hard that I would get some great spiritual insight or revelation.

What I found was a black void with me staring into it and I realized (while tripping) that nothing but me existed and I was a prisoner of my own mind.

Don't get me wrong, I know that all of you reading were out there somewhere, and I still believe in God and all, but when I was boxed into my own mind, with my neurons firing a different indescribable image about 3X a second, nothing else existed ......
there was no you, no God, no devil, no eternity except the hell of a "bad trip" that seemed it would never end.....
I can understand how someone would stop believing in God after a trip that was really bad, but I haven't....

So here is my question: Is the mushroom "spiritual" experience different than the mainstream concept of the spiritual, or religious experience?

Let me explain....I have always been a very "spiritual" person with heightened sensitivities. I sense things before they happen, get information about people that I have no way of knowning, see or sense things that no one else can see or sense, and generally live my life very intuitively.
When I tripped, I hoped that this "ability" would increase and intensify. What happened was the opposite. So what I'm wondering is......does the mushroom experience have anything to do with God, or the kinds of sensitivities I mentioned, or does it have its own unique experience and that is why you have "die hard shroomites"?!!!?!!!?

I mean, think about it.....we are talking on a web site that is dedicated to shrooms.... It is almost like a "church" or "religious" group that meets regularly to support each other.

Is the "mushroom experience" an experience all to itself?
Or is it connected to the same spirituality as the sensitivities I described, or to the main stream religious beliefs?

So what do YOU think?
What is YOUR experience?



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Re: Did you find God? Did you find anything? [Re: Tannis]
    #587153 - 03/23/02 10:17 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

At times I think I know the nature of god. There have been times when I felt I merged with god, and became part of "it". Then there are times when I feel alone, and I wonder if I was kidding myself. I've had Revelations, sure, but they seem to dissapear like sand through my fingers.. kind of like the memory of some beautiful dream. It makes me wonder if I will ever know the truth.


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Re: Did you find God? Did you find anything? [Re: Tannis]
    #587201 - 03/23/02 11:37 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Shrooms are just a different tool for tapping into the unconcious mind. A different vehicle. I have found God many times on them.............no I can't prove it.



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Re: Did you find God? Did you find anything? [Re: Tannis]
    #587223 - 03/23/02 12:27 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

You said it yourself, you were stuck inside your mind. Our connection with god is not found within the mind. The mind is born within this level of existance for the purpose of being able to deal with this reality, a reality of forms, of selfprojected meaning, a reality in which we must do things and understand them as such. The mind is separation. This reality is just a manifestation of energies, boundless and unformed, energies that are enabled to 'become' and express theirselves through the perception of the mind. The meanings we attach to them dont have any substance without mind, that is why we need the mind to function on this level. Yet the mind imprisons us also, it binds us to this level of existance and burdens us with attachments. The mind is powerfull and we are able to do many thing with the mind, even create reality, yet this reality is still bound by the mind, unable to transcend itself because it is selfcreated. How to get beyond this void? How to reconnect with the source of all energies, the brightness that makes light itself shine? Leave your Mind behind Free yourself from its prison, clear yourself from all attachments which bind you to this plane of existance. How to do that, one asks? First start with discipline, be in control of your mind, dont let it take you on a wild ride. Most of us are distracted all the time, lost in obscurations which keep us from the moment which is Now. Focus on Mindfullness, on being aware all the time, without the mind distracting you. Like sogyal rinpoche says: 'all we are rises with our thoughts. with our thoughts we create the world, so keep your mind and heart pure.' If you have difficulties calming your mind, just concentrate on your breath, concentrate on spaciousness, being aware of yourself and your surroundings. If thoughts arise, just let them come and look at them as you would look at a car passing by, dont go with them, just observe and let them go. Calm the mind.
The mind is what keeps us here, unable to see the true nature of appearances. Leave the mind behind and realise that there is no attainment, no 'there' to go to. We already are I AM.
Yes, i found god. I entered the temple of light and finally was able to really believe. It is so difficult to be able to believe and i am gratefull i found my faith. It didnt find it in any religion, didnt find it through a guru, didnt find it in a book. I found it in life, ironically enough, i found it through the mind. I found it in the experiences i was able to have because of existing on this plane of existance, which is mind and by being able to go beyond the mind to receive the insight that in thruth there is no separation, that we are already one with god.
The strongest experience ive had, which made me see the true nature of existance and afterwards even enabled me to understand it still (understand it, yes, but more as a feeling, a certainty, instead of a piece of knowledge) was an experience i had on ketamine. Now ketamine can take you many places and if sniffed rarely does it take you beyond the confines of your mind. Often it will show you a story of mind only to kick you out without finishing the story leaving you with a desire to come back for it, like an addiction, another attachment. Yet if injected and done with the right intentions it can take you straight to the source, it will allow you to enter the temple of light itself and exist as a guest on the plane of deities. It takes you outside your mind, detaches you from ego and a concentric perception of existance. Its difficult to explain how your perception works at this stage. Its like, normally you are looking inside a bubble, one which starts left and right of your eyes and this bubble moves where you move your eyes, this is your visual range. Yet now its like you leave the bubble and can see it for what it is, and your perception grows into a nondirectional 'awareness' of what is there. At this point having your eyes closed or open has little effect on what you perceive. (but watch out for bright lights though, they can center you back) The division between observer and observed dissolves and you are just consciousness being aware of itself. I still had a distant connection with my person somewhere, yet it was as if it was another object out there. There was three of us, and i 'remember' at one point being like a blob of consciousness, all of us together, no seperation. Then there was this light, this amazingly beautifull allpervading light everything moving in exactly the right movements and all you can do is woaw (vibrate on this frequency of woawness.. hehe) and revel in true bliss. I felt one, beyond acceptance. I felt whole, beyond forgiveness. The separation of the first division behind me, shown as the illusion it truly is, an illusion contained by mind alone. The beauty, the love, the wonder, beyond description and i know how lame that sounds, but thats what it is, really. It was probably also these very strong mantras my russian friends brought with them which we were playing. This was the first time i really experienced a mantra. It is a vibration, it is an actual place you can go to. And with the ketamine i could hear the voice of everyone who ever experienced this vibration through chanting it, i heard infinite voices going all directions, and after a while i was surprised to discover i was chanting to, i was hearing my own voice without consciously directing it, leaving behind an echo of myself in this infinite space. But after an infinity we were (rather roughly) booted back into mind and reality and the transition back is not so nice. But after all we were just visitors, travelling on a very cheap pass which we knew would not keep us there. It was like we were shown this light at the end of our paths, but were then booted back with the warning that there are no shortcuts, we must get there on our own power. But at least now i know what the light at the end of the tunnel is, and where it is we are actually trying to go to, it is found inside our hearts. It put a lot of things back in perspective and it brought into my heart a kind of yearning for life, an ache like an unanswered love, and a desire to transcend it.


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Re: Did you find God? Did you find anything? [Re: Tannis]
    #587419 - 03/23/02 05:26 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

mushrooms are here naturally, they came from God as jesus did and like jesus they are here to enlighten our spirits. Let me ask you this, have you ever wondered why when you are looking for something really hard, you can never find it, but later you seem to stumble right across it while you are not even paying attention. On the contrary what probably happened to you is that you tried so hard looking for this enlightenment( togetherness with God ), that you actually ended up blocking the connection instead of letting it naturally happen, this would explain why so many first time shroomers are blown away by the experience and it never seems to hit them at that level again. Thats what happened with me anyways, my first time rocked, shitty after that. I havn't even done shrooms since i started my spiritual journey a couple weeks ago, and i know i am still not ready for them yet, but the time draws ever closer and i am still sure nothing will prepare me fully for that trip. keep the spirit alive ............


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Re: Did you find God? Did you find anything? [Re: cHeMiCaLoRaNgE]
    #587447 - 03/23/02 05:56 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

mushrooms are here naturally, they came from God as jesus did and like jesus they are here to enlighten our spirits.
Nice segue.

Death Caps (mushrooms) are here naturally to make us suffer an excrutiatingly painful death just as God intended.



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    #587450 - 03/23/02 06:00 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

The Bible mentions dildos. Ezekiel 16:17 says, "Thou hast also taken thy fair jewels of my gold and of my silver, which I had given thee, and madest to thyself images of men, and didst commit whoredom with them."


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Re: Did you find God? Did you find anything? [Re: Tannis]
    #587561 - 03/23/02 08:44 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

as BBin said... God can?t be grasped with our minds... only with our heart... and it is within our heart that he is found...
i had a similar experience to yours... i was almost sure that shrooms (or psychedelics) were my way to enlightment... but after some horrible DXM trip which left me in hell for 5 days, is realized it was not so... they can only show us the door, and let us peep in, but we have to step through for ourselves, consciously...
i know that many people have escaped the prison of their mind with shrooms... but the trick to hold that state of mind (or should i say heart) after the psychedelic experience, and that is veeery difficult... so that people tend to come back over and over... until something similar to what happened to you or me happens to them...
nonetheless shrooms can give you some veeeery good hints about the reality... they can be found in books, too... but shrooms make you realize them for yourself and therefore you end not only knowing them, but feeling them... its a process, that can?t be forced, sadly... now im am back on my way... knowing where im heading, but not pushing it, for after all we love this experience called life, with its highs and lows... someone once said to me "enlightment is beeing joyfully bored", and i think that is not so far from truth...
anyways, do what you feel is right... i for my part stepped away from ALL drugs, including weed, and understood the bliss fo beeing sober... and i know ill get to my goal, sooner or later (when i die ill get there anyways) and if its not in this life itll be in the next, or the one after... man i love this game...

namaste...
and good luck on your journey!


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Re: Did you find God? Did you find anything? [Re: In(di)go]
    #587563 - 03/23/02 08:45 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

oh! by the way thank you swami and incogni2 for that enlightening contribution to the thread


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Re: Did you find God? Did you find anything? [Re: Swami]
    #587777 - 03/24/02 02:44 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Death Caps (mushrooms) are here naturally to make us suffer an excrutiatingly painful death just as God intended.

Well, not really, because you don't eat them do you. And they don't give you a spiritual experience. Psilocybin shrooms arn't poisnous and they're the ones that connect you with the universe. Coincidence? Just an accident?

Like Bill Hicks said "Do you think God left that shit growing here by mistake? No, me neither"


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Re: Did you find God? Did you find anything? [Re: Swami]
    #587783 - 03/24/02 02:54 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Why do people keep sayng "as god intended?" god isn't some guy sitting on a cloud.
God is existance, you are a part of god, i am a part of god, the sun, the earth, your diarrea are what make up GOd. there is not "intension" for that is a concept of Human origin.


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Re: Did you find God? Did you find anything? [Re: MeltingPenguin]
    #588029 - 03/24/02 12:43 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

On two very intense trips with LSD during a state of non-game ecstasy, I had two religious experiences that were exactly the same. I still have the exact same experience once in awhile on high doses of mushrooms. I can't really describe the experience. The first two were before converting to Islam when I realized that the Abrahamic faiths were real. The self-discovery came in the months afterward.

MeltingPenguin: The Sun, the earth, you, and me are not one with God. God has no partners, we are His creation. Everything in this universe is His creation. It doesn't even make sense that your idea of God would somehow be a part of us, creatures in a physical world.


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Re: Did you find God? Did you find anything? [Re: Tannis]
    #588067 - 03/24/02 01:46 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I have definitely found "something" as a result of tripping. I have found a sense of peace, a sense that there is something greater than myself and that everything will turn out all right. I have seen how it comes out, so now I can go back and take my place in the play, and let it all roll on without anxiety. I don't if I've found God or not, but I think I have a much better idea of what He is.

I think the mushroom or psychedelic experience doesn't necessarily open the doors to God or anything, but just leaves you in more of a state of open-mindedness where you can discover your own truths easier than if your mind was cluttered with all the mess of everyday reality. The mushroom is the catalyst, and you are the substrate. Mix them together and if you desire to take the step, your ideas can be forever transformed. The mushroom is just another one of the tools this world has to offer for us to evolve.


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Re: Did you find God? Did you find anything? [Re: Tannis]
    #588159 - 03/24/02 03:33 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I thouht of a lot of things also!! But finnaly one thought made me very happy and sure about it! I think whatever is natural is devine, created by god Himself! I mean whatever is not human made. Mushrooms are created by the God also!!


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Re: Did you find God? Did you find anything? [Re: Swami]
    #588179 - 03/24/02 03:55 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Swami - haha .
I once mistook Death caps for Amanita Muscaria when it was almost pitch black dark - when I got into the light I freaked out and threw them away LOL .
  I think shrooms just fuck with your mind in a profoundly powerful way and certainly dont always cause divine happiness and connection to God .
Taking shrooms in order to get a mystical experience or just to cause happiness can result in some fucked up shit - be careful .
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Re: Did you find God? Did you find anything? [Re: Zahid]
    #588295 - 03/24/02 06:42 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

In reply to:

It doesn't even make sense that your idea of God would somehow be a part of us, creatures in a physical world.




Are you saying that God has no connection to anything in this world; the sun, earth, you, me?

As for mushrooms, I have not yet had the opertunity to expirience them. That's what lead me to The Shroomery. I have had very enlightening and I supose you could say religious experience with cannabis in recent years. The more discriptions I read, and the more I hear others talk of revelations achieved through "ego death" the closer it comes to describing much of what I've expirienced, though not quite as violent or painful. Durring these "trips" I've been able to see the connections between myself and everyone/thing around me. It forced me to redefine many things. For example, the word hate no longer holds meaning to me. It's like I woke up one mornning and tried to think "I hate going to school" and I didn't understand what that meant. I could understand the reasons why I didn't whish to go to school, and I could also see the reasoning, good and bad, behind why we're forced to go to school, and though I saw the wrongness behind it, I couldn't hate it. I'm still dealing with the clarification it's given me on the sexual, spiritual, and mental inhibitions that run rampant throughout our cultures. *Living in the U.S. doesn't help this any. Did you all know that the DEA has put a prohibition on hemp food?*

human being = organs = cells = molocules = elements = atoms = Everything = God

This is a very, very simplified example of what I saw/felt/expirienced/understood. Diagraming it in whole would be like mapping your brain pathways using a pencil and a mirror. We don't have the vocabulary to describe it yet. That is part of what causes conflict when trying to talk about it. Because our thought process is sybolic in nature, for thousands of years we've tried to express something we didn't understand through complex sybolism.

I would like to think that we have reached a point where we can K.I.S.S. (keep it simple stoners) and discard all the excess that has been added over the (many) years. They are very pretty, but, like the Greek and Roman mythologies, they are fictions none the less. It's interesting that while our schools teach interpretation of sybolisim in litterature, it's never applied to a text that you are expected to model your life around.

So, yes I have seen the "true face of God", but it was not with mushies (yet).


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Re: Did you find God? Did you find anything? [Re: seeker]
    #588309 - 03/24/02 07:03 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I didn't make my last post clear. While we, creations of God, are not one with God, our connection to Him is that we belong to Him. To say that you are God because He created you would sound completely off to even an atheist. None of us are God because God can do what He pleases when He pleases, see the past, present, & future all at once, and anything can be done simply by His will. Obviously, none of us can do this.


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Re: Did you find God? Did you find anything? [Re: Zahid]
    #588329 - 03/24/02 07:29 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Actually, I am God. I am the reincarnation of the Savior. O lowly Zahid, doth though doubt your Savior? I will see to it that you will eternally burn in hell. No harem for you, just smoldering hot MAG-MA!!!
You, the wicked, the doubter! YOU will SUFFER for your ignorance. There is no doubting that I am your God, so bow down now or prepare for an eternity in the sulfurous wastes of HELL!! Ay yiyiyiyiyyiyiyiyiy!!!! Death to the infidel!! The streets will run red with the blood of the non-believers!!! Ay yiyiiyiyiyiyiyyiyyiy!!!!

That is, unless you bow down now and acknowledge that I, Sclorch, am your God.


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Re: Did you find God? Did you find anything? [Re: Sclorch]
    #588334 - 03/24/02 07:33 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

You're an idiot.


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Re: Did you find God? Did you find anything? [Re: Zahid]
    #588344 - 03/24/02 07:45 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

No, that's just what you believe. And as we all know....


Oh well, it's your eternity. I gave you free will, so if you want to waste it and choose to rot in the afterlife, so be it. Have fun wading in HOT LAVA!!! Ay yiyiyiiyiyiyiyiyiyiyiyiiyiyi!!!


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