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Re: LSD caused death [Re: DadeMurphy]
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DadeMurphy said:
"LSD caused death" is a pretty strong statement. It's not like it was a toxic reaction he had. LSD was a CONTRIBUTING FACTOR in this guy's death, and clearly it was his underlying psychological problems leading to him hanging himself that were really the root causes.


yea but cid was the catalist...


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Re: LSD caused death [Re: BlindLemon]
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Who the fuck takes acid when they are depressed? Also who the fuck would want to die while tripping? I would much rather die while sober. LSD was involved with his death, whether or not he would have done himself in will never be known. Good for him though, he wanted to die and he made it happen, not like all those pussies who want attention. Out of all the people that don't want to die and die, I don't see why people feel sorry for the one person that wants to die and gets his wish, if life is no longer worth living, you should just quit.

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Re: LSD caused death [Re: twiggedoubt]
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thats a bold statement and its a serious issue i dont know why ur acting immature.. its not funny

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Re: LSD caused death [Re: ctaf420]
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Such a sad case... But the drug can not be blamed. It was his own will to take his own life.

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Re: LSD caused death [Re: bucket949]
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I'm dead serious, suicide is not something thats funny, but it isn't a tragedy. Its someone that doesn't want to live anymore, taking themselve out. Maybe its because I have almost been to that point, but some people are better off not living. The pain doesn't always go away, and whether or not its a good choice is up to that person. He was over 18, he was a grown ass man. We are all going to die someday anyway, why should someone have to live everday of their life in pain? How is euthanasia from physical pain different than suicide from mental pain? I feel bad for his family to a point, but not for him.

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Re: LSD caused death [Re: twiggedoubt]
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I feel bad for him...because I think its sad to reach a point where life isn't an option anymore...I've almost been there too but I'm so glad I found the strength to keep going...its sad that he was feeling pain to the point of suicide

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Re: LSD caused death [Re: Iamthewalrus]
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I've contemplated suicide. After contemplating suicide I've come to the following condition:

Anyone who takes their life when given the option of living the world is better off without. To kill yourself is to throw away the single most important thing you've ever had. My condolences to the family, but I also hold NO sympathy for the man who committed suicide. Not because he wanted to die, but because he had the gall to throw away life and all it's possibilities.

Suicide is stupid, folks. Doing drugs at a bad time of your life can be stupid. Not knowing what you are doing and taking drugs with abandon and while you have unresolved deep pyschological issues (like those that would cause you to kill yourself) is stupid.

Don't tell me LSD caused his death. That fool killed himself.


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Re: LSD caused death [Re: twiggedoubt]
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twiggedoubt said:
I'm dead serious, suicide is not something thats funny, but it isn't a tragedy. Its someone that doesn't want to live anymore, taking themselve out. Maybe its because I have almost been to that point, but some people are better off not living. The pain doesn't always go away, and whether or not its a good choice is up to that person. He was over 18, he was a grown ass man. We are all going to die someday anyway, why should someone have to live everday of their life in pain? How is euthanasia from physical pain different than suicide from mental pain? I feel bad for his family to a point, but not for him.


I'm with you man, I honestly have no interest in living. No, I am not depressed, I don't want to kill myself... I am just extremely curious about what is after this when you die... to the point that I would probably go through with it if I ended up living past my 30s. Haha.

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Re: LSD caused death [Re: ezsefix]
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ezsefix said:
I've contemplated suicide. After contemplating suicide I've come to the following condition:

Anyone who takes their life when given the option of living the world is better off without. To kill yourself is to throw away the single most important thing you've ever had. My condolences to the family, but I also hold NO sympathy for the man who committed suicide. Not because he wanted to die, but because he had the gall to throw away life and all it's possibilities.

Suicide is stupid, folks. Doing drugs at a bad time of your life can be stupid. Not knowing what you are doing and taking drugs with abandon and while you have unresolved deep pyschological issues (like those that would cause you to kill yourself) is stupid.

Don't tell me LSD caused his death. That fool killed himself.


This life is lame. If you can just take a second to think about how much more 'shit' there is besides earth, and if you have any kind of theory whatsoever about what goes on after death, living on earth isn't too exciting anymore.

Sure, I could be wrong, and I just don't exist anymore after I am dead, but I find that extremely unlikely.

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Re: LSD caused death [Re: ekornmeyer]
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Well your going to die anyway, why not just wait it out if it isn't that bad? Life will be over in a snap of the fingers either way.

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Re: LSD caused death [Re: twiggedoubt]
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ekornmeyer,

maybe your life is lame, I'm fond of mine.

Why don't you just go throw away everything this life has given you then? If you are so sure that things are better after death why haven't you killed yourself yet? Throwing away life because you think there is something better afterwards is stupid too. It's wasteful, and very short-sighted.


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Re: LSD caused death [Re: ezsefix]
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I think he ment that he was curious of what the afterlife was like, and thought it was probally better. Everyone is curious as to what happens when you die, thats why we have religons. If you ask me, devoting your life to a religon is just as silly as killing yourself to figure it out right away.

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Re: LSD caused death [Re: ezsefix]
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ezsefix said:
ekornmeyer,

maybe your life is lame, I'm fond of mine.

Why don't you just go throw away everything this life has given you then? If you are so sure that things are better after death why haven't you killed yourself yet? Throwing away life because you think there is something better afterwards is stupid too. It's wasteful, and very short-sighted.


You definitely did not understand my post. First of all, I did NOT say MY life is lame, I said living on this earth in general is lame in comparison to what I believe in. I have no interest in killing myself, yet at the same time, I have no interest in living past 40 or so. Basically, I don't care.

Edited by ekornmeyer (07/14/06 07:48 PM)

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Re: LSD caused death [Re: indica]
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LSD is a vasoconstrictor - all ergotamines are. That should effect that heart or cause arythmia.


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Re: LSD caused death [Re: ekornmeyer]
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ekornmeyer said:
You definitely did not understand my post. First of all, I did NOT say MY life is lame, I said living on this earth in general is lame in comparison to what I believe in. I have no interest in killing myself, yet at the same time, I have no interest in living past 40 or so. Basically, I don't care.


Ponder this for a minute:
"Legend has it that 11th Century Persian sheikh Hassan-i-Sabbah inspired fanatic, even suicidal, devotion from his legions. His method of initiation was to kidnap and drug his foes' fiercest soldiers, then bring them to his fully functioning Garden of Earthly Delights, which was complete with exotic delicacies, fountains of wine, and good-to-go virgins. When his captives came to, dazed and suggestible in their psychedelic stupors, they were told they had died and entered heaven. Sabbah had only to promise that each of his subjects would return to Paradise if fortunate enough to martyr himself in his service. For a century, Sabbah's Hashishim — "Hash Eaters," from which we derive the word assassin — were the most feared killers in the known world."
(taken from http://www.webofmimicry.com/label.php?band=sc3 , Secret Chiefs 3 website)

Feeling foolish yet?

I think some of us here need to just accept the fact that LSD can, IN FACT, be a factor/cause of death.

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Re: LSD caused death [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
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Why would I feel foolish? Posting some "legend" is not going to change my beliefs.

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Re: LSD caused death [Re: ekornmeyer]
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ekornmeyer said:
Why would I feel foolish? Posting some "legend" is not going to change my beliefs.


I was only joking. No disrespect intended.
My point was that we don't know what lies beyond death (PLEASE do not dispute this fact, I will have none of that nonsense), and most people will believe whatever they hear about god as long as it's convincing enough, even if what they hear is really not what god or heaven is like at all.

EDIT: And, for the record, I am not athiest, but agnostic.

Edited by Lysergic_Milkman (07/15/06 02:48 PM)

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