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LSD caused death
    #5849593 - 07/12/06 01:30 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Hello to everyone .. I Live in langley B,C. and jus the other day i heard threw my sister that one of her friends died while tripping on acid. Surely enough i saw the article in the newspaper the other day. The story read that the guy 20 years old had seen his brother hang himself earlier in life. The guy had  been very depressed for several years and had jus been starting to be okay. AParently witnesses say he started freeking out about his brother while tripping out on acid and something happened in that trip for him to commit suiced. I hope too all people that want to try  acid!!!!!! make sure ur emotionally prepared and stable to handle an acid trip. No 1 likes to hear about this kinda stuff.. Always ahve a sober person with you ! safe trippin peace :peace:


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Re: LSD caused death [Re: ctaf420]
    #5849600 - 07/12/06 01:37 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

"LSD caused death" is a pretty strong statement. It's not like it was a toxic reaction he had. LSD was a CONTRIBUTING FACTOR in this guy's death, and clearly it was his underlying psychological problems leading to him hanging himself that were really the root causes.


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Re: LSD caused death [Re: ctaf420]
    #5849607 - 07/12/06 01:41 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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AParently witnesses say he started freeking out about his brother while tripping out on acid and something happened in that trip for him to commit suiced.



I hate to be critical when someone has died, especially in such an unfortunate way...but...

What kind of "witnesses" didn't try to prevent him from committing suicide?

If he did something they couldn't have prevented (like jumping off a building) how could they report that he was "freaking out" beforehand? What kind of tripping buddies allow this sort of thing to happen?


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Re: LSD caused death [Re: DadeMurphy]
    #5849608 - 07/12/06 01:42 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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DadeMurphy said:
"LSD caused death" is a pretty strong statement. It's not like it was a toxic reaction he had. LSD was a CONTRIBUTING FACTOR in this guy's death, and clearly it was his underlying psychological problems leading to him hanging himself that were really the root causes.




well, one could say that it would not have happened if he had not used LSD... there were underlying psychological problems, obviously, so he should not have been tripping, but if he did not ingest the LSD he would probably still be alive


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Re: LSD caused death [Re: DadeMurphy]
    #5849611 - 07/12/06 01:43 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Actually I know someone that tripped once and they're heart stopped. He is lucky it started back up after medical attention. He has to take medication now since it happened.
Some people have chemical imbalances and shouldn't take acid. The first time you do it is the biggest risk. I would suggest if you do have chemical imbalance, do not try acid. It isn't worth risking your sanity or really harming yourself over, or death.


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Re: LSD caused death [Re: dubbyah]
    #5849631 - 07/12/06 01:52 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Well you could say that but it still does not imply causality. There are an infinite number of "IF'S" that can be applied to any situation...IF I the rope hadn't been strong enough to hold him, IF he was incapacitated by thorazine etc., but that is speculation - not reasoning.

My point is that every once in a while some headline, or post or rumor or whatever shows up - "LSD caused death" - and this is always the way they turn out (except for ONE known case of lethal overdose), the statement is misleading and wrong. In reality, some idiosyncracy in this person's psychology was exacerbated by LSD, leading to him MAKING THE CHOICE to commit suicide.

EDIT: I suppose it's still a tragedy and my condolences to the OP. It's really too bad he had to suffer whatever he went through, and all of the people around him now must cope with the loss.


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Re: LSD caused death [Re: DadeMurphy]
    #5849782 - 07/12/06 03:39 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

i reckon that dudes heart stopped from anxiety or something.

but wasnt LSD meant to be a cordio constricter or something like that originally?


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Re: LSD caused death [Re: indica]
    #5849881 - 07/12/06 05:26 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

im sure there are a few people that decided NOT to commit suicide after using LSD as well.  so in that respect, its a life-saving drug  :smile:

p.s. dont teenagers off themselves after taking drugs for ADHD and shit?


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Re: LSD caused death [Re: dubbyah]
    #5850077 - 07/12/06 08:04 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

u can't say that...u have no way of knowing if he would have done it anyways...and it is a pretty bold and ultimately misleading statement...lsd did not cause his death


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Re: LSD caused death [Re: ctaf420]
    #5850143 - 07/12/06 08:48 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I have no problem whatsoever with assuming that LSD pushed this poor kid over the edge, but then again I'm not very prone to adhere to drug taboos.

LSD provides a stressful experience of heightened and distorted emotionality. This in an already unstable person can well be the straw that broke the camel's back.

Psychedelics use is a dangerous acxtivity, and many people are better off if they never, not once take part in it.

As the story is presented here, which is plausible, the poor kid was a cocked and loaded gun, and LSD pulled the trigger.
Very sad, but probably true.


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Re: LSD caused death [Re: Asante]
    #5850375 - 07/12/06 10:28 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I agree...I don't think its for everyone and I think it definitely potientiated his depression and probably contributed to his death...but it didn't cause it...in the end he pulled the trigger(or whatever method he used)


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Re: LSD caused death [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5850438 - 07/12/06 10:48 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Nobody said LSD wasn't an extremely powerful drug. In the words of Uncle Ben: "With great power comes great responsibility."


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Re: LSD caused death [Re: Newbie]
    #5850464 - 07/12/06 10:55 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

What's sad is that, were it not for government demonization of LSD, the drug could probably have been used to his therapeutic benefit to help him deal with the loss of his brother. From the sound of it, he buried his feelings about his brother's suicide in his unconscious, and the LSD brought them to the foreground, as it tends to do. I weep for the loss of LSD, psilocybin, and mescaline as tools for psychology and the expansion of human consciousness; I'm tired of hearing stories like this published about psychedelics.


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Re: LSD caused death [Re: Lion]
    #5850468 - 07/12/06 10:57 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

ya your absolutely right...its very possible in a theraputic setting lsd could have been used to treat this problem...but we will never know


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Re: LSD caused death [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5850680 - 07/12/06 12:29 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

if he did not take LSD he would not have died
how could u say that it didnt cause his death ?
although i know what point ur taking is that the LSD itself did not make him die .. it was the effects of LSD


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Re: LSD caused death [Re: ctaf420]
    #5850694 - 07/12/06 12:35 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

because u have no way of knowing what he would have done


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Re: LSD caused death [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5850738 - 07/12/06 12:50 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

yeah you do, he'd be alive for at least a while longer....

i would say LSD did cause it, the problem is if you put "LSD causes death" in a news headline, it is very misleading, as it makes people think LSD is poisonous or very very very dangerous.

it would be more like "troubled man loses it on LSD and takes life" and that would be better and less propogandic.


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Re: LSD caused death [Re: leery11]
    #5851142 - 07/12/06 03:04 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Just recently I was tripping with some friends at a park.. and my one young friend thought he could cross lakeshore drive (a highway running through the downtown of Chicago)... and our whole group spent about 10 minutes convincing him it was a bad idea.

Personally, I think if someone is threatening to do something stupid or suicidal, it is the responsibility of his/her friends (and, well, anyone in particular) to try and coax them out of it. Then again... we are blessed/cursed with free will.


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Re: LSD caused death [Re: Ashland]
    #5851667 - 07/12/06 06:10 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

k about the headline i understand but i was baked when i did this and i didnt think the whole forum wud be about if lsd caused his death or not it was to let every1 know about the dangers of trippin while being depressed or emotionally unstable. And yes his friends did try to help him who wouldnt... in the article it dusnt exactly say how he died but if more comes up il lad it to the thread.. im trying to find the article too so keep posted


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Re: LSD caused death [Re: ctaf420]
    #5851925 - 07/12/06 07:29 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

That is quite sad and i think the person needed to be smarter and prepare better.


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Re: LSD caused death [Re: DadeMurphy]
    #5852040 - 07/12/06 07:47 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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DadeMurphy said:
"LSD caused death" is a pretty strong statement. It's not like it was a toxic reaction he had. LSD was a CONTRIBUTING FACTOR in this guy's death, and clearly it was his underlying psychological problems leading to him hanging himself that were really the root causes.




yea but cid was the catalist...


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Re: LSD caused death [Re: BlindLemon]
    #5852372 - 07/12/06 08:51 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Who the fuck takes acid when they are depressed? Also who the fuck would want to die while tripping? I would much rather die while sober. LSD was involved with his death, whether or not he would have done himself in will never be known. Good for him though, he wanted to die and he made it happen, not like all those pussies who want attention. Out of all the people that don't want to die and die, I don't see why people feel sorry for the one person that wants to die and gets his wish, if life is no longer worth living, you should just quit.


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Re: LSD caused death [Re: twiggedoubt]
    #5852676 - 07/12/06 09:44 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

thats a bold statement and its a serious issue i dont know why ur acting immature.. its not funny


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Re: LSD caused death [Re: ctaf420]
    #5853310 - 07/12/06 11:57 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Such a sad case... But the drug can not be blamed. It was his own will to take his own life.


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Re: LSD caused death [Re: bucket949]
    #5855614 - 07/13/06 06:47 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I'm dead serious, suicide is not something thats funny, but it isn't a tragedy. Its someone that doesn't want to live anymore, taking themselve out. Maybe its because I have almost been to that point, but some people are better off not living. The pain doesn't always go away, and whether or not its a good choice is up to that person. He was over 18, he was a grown ass man. We are all going to die someday anyway, why should someone have to live everday of their life in pain? How is euthanasia from physical pain different than suicide from mental pain? I feel bad for his family to a point, but not for him.


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Re: LSD caused death [Re: twiggedoubt]
    #5855734 - 07/13/06 07:21 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I feel bad for him...because I think its sad to reach a point where life isn't an option anymore...I've almost been there too but I'm so glad I found the strength to keep going...its sad that he was feeling pain to the point of suicide


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Re: LSD caused death [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5855784 - 07/13/06 07:35 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I've contemplated suicide. After contemplating suicide I've come to the following condition:

Anyone who takes their life when given the option of living the world is better off without. To kill yourself is to throw away the single most important thing you've ever had. My condolences to the family, but I also hold NO sympathy for the man who committed suicide. Not because he wanted to die, but because he had the gall to throw away life and all it's possibilities.

Suicide is stupid, folks. Doing drugs at a bad time of your life can be stupid. Not knowing what you are doing and taking drugs with abandon and while you have unresolved deep pyschological issues (like those that would cause you to kill yourself) is stupid.

Don't tell me LSD caused his death. That fool killed himself.


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Re: LSD caused death [Re: twiggedoubt]
    #5857155 - 07/14/06 06:56 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm dead serious, suicide is not something thats funny, but it isn't a tragedy. Its someone that doesn't want to live anymore, taking themselve out. Maybe its because I have almost been to that point, but some people are better off not living. The pain doesn't always go away, and whether or not its a good choice is up to that person. He was over 18, he was a grown ass man. We are all going to die someday anyway, why should someone have to live everday of their life in pain? How is euthanasia from physical pain different than suicide from mental pain? I feel bad for his family to a point, but not for him.




I'm with you man, I honestly have no interest in living. No, I am not depressed, I don't want to kill myself... I am just extremely curious about what is after this when you die... to the point that I would probably go through with it if I ended up living past my 30s. Haha.


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Re: LSD caused death [Re: ezsefix]
    #5857162 - 07/14/06 06:58 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I've contemplated suicide. After contemplating suicide I've come to the following condition:

Anyone who takes their life when given the option of living the world is better off without. To kill yourself is to throw away the single most important thing you've ever had. My condolences to the family, but I also hold NO sympathy for the man who committed suicide. Not because he wanted to die, but because he had the gall to throw away life and all it's possibilities.

Suicide is stupid, folks. Doing drugs at a bad time of your life can be stupid. Not knowing what you are doing and taking drugs with abandon and while you have unresolved deep pyschological issues (like those that would cause you to kill yourself) is stupid.

Don't tell me LSD caused his death. That fool killed himself.




This life is lame. If you can just take a second to think about how much more 'shit' there is besides earth, and if you have any kind of theory whatsoever about what goes on after death, living on earth isn't too exciting anymore.

Sure, I could be wrong, and I just don't exist anymore after I am dead, but I find that extremely unlikely.


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Re: LSD caused death [Re: ekornmeyer]
    #5858557 - 07/14/06 04:16 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Well your going to die anyway, why not just wait it out if it isn't that bad? Life will be over in a snap of the fingers either way.


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Re: LSD caused death [Re: twiggedoubt]
    #5858669 - 07/14/06 04:56 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

ekornmeyer,

maybe your life is lame, I'm fond of mine.

Why don't you just go throw away everything this life has given you then? If you are so sure that things are better after death why haven't you killed yourself yet? Throwing away life because you think there is something better afterwards is stupid too. It's wasteful, and very short-sighted.


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Re: LSD caused death [Re: ezsefix]
    #5859364 - 07/14/06 07:39 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I think he ment that he was curious of what the afterlife was like, and thought it was probally better. Everyone is curious as to what happens when you die, thats why we have religons. If you ask me, devoting your life to a religon is just as silly as killing yourself to figure it out right away.


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Re: LSD caused death [Re: ezsefix]
    #5859406 - 07/14/06 07:47 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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ekornmeyer,

maybe your life is lame, I'm fond of mine.

Why don't you just go throw away everything this life has given you then? If you are so sure that things are better after death why haven't you killed yourself yet? Throwing away life because you think there is something better afterwards is stupid too. It's wasteful, and very short-sighted.




You definitely did not understand my post. First of all, I did NOT say MY life is lame, I said living on this earth in general is lame in comparison to what I believe in. I have no interest in killing myself, yet at the same time, I have no interest in living past 40 or so. Basically, I don't care.


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Re: LSD caused death [Re: indica]
    #5860930 - 07/15/06 07:11 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

LSD is a vasoconstrictor - all ergotamines are. That should effect that heart or cause arythmia.


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Re: LSD caused death [Re: ekornmeyer]
    #5861387 - 07/15/06 10:36 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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You definitely did not understand my post. First of all, I did NOT say MY life is lame, I said living on this earth in general is lame in comparison to what I believe in. I have no interest in killing myself, yet at the same time, I have no interest in living past 40 or so. Basically, I don't care.




Ponder this for a minute:
"Legend has it that 11th Century Persian sheikh Hassan-i-Sabbah inspired fanatic, even suicidal, devotion from his legions. His method of initiation was to kidnap and drug his foes' fiercest soldiers, then bring them to his fully functioning Garden of Earthly Delights, which was complete with exotic delicacies, fountains of wine, and good-to-go virgins. When his captives came to, dazed and suggestible in their psychedelic stupors, they were told they had died and entered heaven. Sabbah had only to promise that each of his subjects would return to Paradise if fortunate enough to martyr himself in his service. For a century, Sabbah's Hashishim — "Hash Eaters," from which we derive the word assassin — were the most feared killers in the known world."
(taken from http://www.webofmimicry.com/label.php?band=sc3 , Secret Chiefs 3 website)

Feeling foolish yet?

I think some of us here need to just accept the fact that LSD can, IN FACT, be a factor/cause of death.


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Re: LSD caused death [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
    #5861781 - 07/15/06 12:50 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Why would I feel foolish? Posting some "legend" is not going to change my beliefs.


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Re: LSD caused death [Re: ekornmeyer]
    #5862097 - 07/15/06 02:47 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Why would I feel foolish? Posting some "legend" is not going to change my beliefs.




I was only joking. No disrespect intended.
My point was that we don't know what lies beyond death (PLEASE do not dispute this fact, I will have none of that nonsense), and most people will believe whatever they hear about god as long as it's convincing enough, even if what they hear is really not what god or heaven is like at all.

EDIT: And, for the record, I am not athiest, but agnostic.


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