DerPda said:

You are right, you would have to do an experiment. Double blind study design, all factors stabilized or randomized except your independent variable - the "treated" lsd vs. the "untreated" LSD - and then hand the treated LSD to the experimental group and the untreated LSD to the control group, measure whatever you want to measure as an indicator of trip quality and then perform a statistical analysis on significance of differences between the two groups regarding your depended variable (the stuff that you measured).

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Eclipse3130 said:

The thing with LSD is it's a crystal which means it can vary in purity..

The purer the crystal, the easier it can reflect the absorbed energy, light, and intention that you put into it.

Pure LSD crystal is usually "charged" by its Creator. Meaning the chemist who makes it and purifies it, will have their intentions, and energies engrained into the crystal. This is what makes pure LSD special, is this "spark" of insight or realization that you will experience on the trip, you will be intaking what the Creator wanted you to experience. Same is with all crystals including Cannabis.

You can change water molecules with thought, but most likely the LSD crystal is already pure and charged by its Creator(what you're trying to do now)

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BlueMeanie25 said:

So my question is. If one were to take a vile of L and place it in front of a speaker playing beautiful, uplifting classical music for an extended time or (for the sake of argument) attempt what the monks did in the doc. every day for extended periods of time and THEN dose. Would it effect the way the chemical and your brain interact?

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Placebo effects are awesome.

Need to try it with some death metal too though to see if the opposite happens.

Lysergic Lobster said:

If you're asking if exposing LSD molecules in solution to sound waves will somehow change the way  they interact in your brain then the answer is a definite no according to current scientific models.

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BlueMeanie25 said:

Assuming 9 out of 10 of you reading this have seen the doc. "What the bleep do we know?". In that doc they talk about how monks were able to focus different emotions towards petri-dishes of water while they froze, causing geometric shapes to appear. Negative emotions made basic "un-interesting" shapes and the more positive the emotion the more complicated or "beautiful" the shapes became. (used "" because they're subjective)

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LtLurker said:

I've taken LSD among other stuff frequently for years. Just cause the drug makes you "feel" like that's true, doesn't remotely mean it is.

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AuroraBorealis88 said:

LtLurker said:

I've taken LSD among other stuff frequently for years. Just cause the drug makes you "feel" like that's true, doesn't remotely mean it is.

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From what I gathered his "reasoning" had nothing to do with the way it made him feel. He was talking about physical crystalline material resonating energy or intention.

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Because even though proper Pure LSD does feel a whole lot better on the mind and body(crystal clarity) I can't base my understanding from feelings alone, but there definitely is a real physical and mental difference you can feel.

Of course most people will never delve this deep into the understanding, and will play it off as something as simple as dosage, set and setting.

AuroraBorealis88 said:

LtLurker said:

I've taken LSD among other stuff frequently for years. Just cause the drug makes you "feel" like that's true, doesn't remotely mean it is.

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From what I gathered his "reasoning" had nothing to do with the way it made him feel. He was talking about physical crystalline material resonating energy or intention.

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Eclipse3130 said:

AuroraBorealis88 said:

LtLurker said:

I've taken LSD among other stuff frequently for years. Just cause the drug makes you "feel" like that's true, doesn't remotely mean it is.

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From what I gathered his "reasoning" had nothing to do with the way it made him feel. He was talking about physical crystalline material resonating energy or intention.

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Because even though proper Pure LSD does feel a whole lot better on the mind and body(crystal clarity) I can't base my understanding from feelings alone, but there definitely is a real physical and mental difference you can feel.

Of course most people will never delve this deep into the understanding, and will play it off as something as simple as dosage, set and setting.

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LtLurker said:

I was addressing this part "if you work with enough crystals, especially LSD you will understand this eventually. It's very easy to tell apart impure LSD to pure LSD simply within the experience, and physical impurities have no known psychological effects, down to the simple fact of "what you put in you get out" known as intention."

It sounded to me like this is based on first hand experience and feelings from taking LSD over a long period with varying effects, then kinda looking for a reason why, just not very deeply.

But I addressed his little energy thingy to.

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DerPda said:

You are right, you would have to do an experiment. Double blind study design, all factors stabilized or randomized except your independent variable - the "treated" lsd vs. the "untreated" LSD - and then hand the treated LSD to the experimental group and the untreated LSD to the control group, messure whatever you want to messure as an indicator of trip quality and then perform a statistical analysis on significance of differences between the two groups regarding your dependend variable (the stuff that you messured).

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Eclipse3130 said:

The thing with LSD is it's a crystal which means it can vary in purity..

The purer the crystal, the easier it can reflect the absorbed energy, light, and intention that you put into it.

Pure LSD crystal is usually "charged" by its Creator. Meaning the chemist who makes it and purifies it, will have their intentions, and energies engrained into the crystal. This is what makes pure LSD special, is this "spark" of insight or realization that you will experience on the trip, you will be intaking what the Creator wanted you to experience. Same is with all crystals including Cannabis.

You can change water molecules with thought, but most likely the LSD crystal is already pure and charged by its Creator(what you're trying to do now)

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Northerner said:

Masaru Emoto is a fucking lunatic who's main function is to sell extremely expensive seminars, books and make Evian envious about how much can be charged for a single bottle of water. There's no way in the world his experiments with water crystals (also known as snow, duh) and rice would stand up to double blind tests, in fact he was offered a million bucks to do it and turned it down. No one has been able to re-create his "studies" and the whole thing is basically a pseudo-scientific anecdote by a well intentioned but clearly delusional motivational speaker. It's been tried to be recreated numerous times. Don't believe me though, try it for yourself.

Now to apply something that doesn't even work with water to our precious LSD in just bonkers. The reason great LSD is thought to be charged by the "intentions" if the creator is quite simple. They spent more time and effort making the stuff. It's not fucking magic. It's science.

I'm not denying the power of positive thinking, and even the ability that can have to effect the way others perceive us and our health. It's just that everything logical in this "physical realm" or "illusion" is governed by these pesky atoms that don't seem to give a fuck what we think. They continue to behave in the same manner. Only particles in quantum mechanics seem to care whether they're being observed for some reason. (see the double slit experiment, Hawthorne effect, etc), but scientists are smashing these little fuckers and I bet any money they'll figure that out in the next 100 years too.

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LtLurker said:

BlueMeanie25 said:

Assuming 9 out of 10 of you reading this have seen the doc. "What the bleep do we know?". In that doc they talk about how monks were able to focus different emotions towards petri-dishes of water while they froze, causing geometric shapes to appear. Negative emotions made basic "un-interesting" shapes and the more positive the emotion the more complicated or "beautiful" the shapes became. (used "" because they're subjective)

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I only got this far. No No No No No NO!

First, that movie is garbage, go watch a debunk on it. One of the main people claims to be channeling aliens for her info, it's insane.

Second, the Frozen water test is incredibly stupid. When water Freezes, it freezes in a random pattern, this is why all snow flakes are unique. Freezing water in shallow dishes will always give unique patterns no matter the circumstance.

So for the rest of your question, no don't be silly. There's no charging things with intention or "energy".

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redgreenvines said:

Harm reduction should not be based upon superstition, so even if you don't believe in anything, making a big deal here about crystals recording "bad vibes" from very bad people who may handle "drugs" and suggesting it is "proven" (NOT TRUE, not even an alternate truth for Trumpians) by high voltage electrical field photography is not helpful.

Set, setting, and dose affect your trip -
not vibes from people you never met who may have touched the crystal from which your blotters were made.

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LtLurker said:

People have their rituals and it only means anything if they have a Testable Hypothesis and go through Controlled Experiments that other scientists can Replicate, and Confirm or Falsify the results.

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redgreenvines said:

This should be in the mysticism section, people there love that kind of stuff.

Harm reduction should not be based upon superstition, so even if you don't believe in anything, making a big deal here about crystals recording "bad vibes" from very bad people who may handle "drugs" and suggesting it is "proven" (NOT TRUE, not even an alternate truth for Trumpians) by high voltage electrical field photography is not helpful.

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BlueMeanie25 said:

In that doc they talk about how monks were able to focus different emotions towards petri-dishes of water while they froze, causing geometric shapes to appear. Negative emotions made basic "un-interesting" shapes and the more positive the emotion the more complicated or "beautiful" the shapes became. (used "" because they're subjective).

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Eclipse3130 said:

There's even a Mythbusters episode on talking/thinking to plants in a negative or positive fashion and it shows real results.

The choice to not believe in the evidence that is already out there is your own, you can post whatever counter-arguments you want, it just reminds me of flat earthers vs round earth debate lol.

At the end of the day the best stance to be in is an Open-minded stance not holding beliefs for either side, but clearly seeing both for what they are.

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Exactly man, some people avoid the truth even when there is contradicting evidence. Its easier that way. Its scary to think for yourself, because that separates you from society and everything you were told to believe. Its so easy to do what they tell you to do and just live your life. But in the end if you don't think for yourself are you truly living? When you think for yourself, you are truly yourself. Why would anyone want to spend their entire human existence not creating your own idea of things, not thinking for yourself, and just doing what your told and following the crowd. In the end its gonna come down to us and them. I know I am put on this earth for a very important reason, as is all of you. We are going to be the people that save this planet and bring love and mindfulness back to the collective mind. We are going to cause the change the world needs so desperately. Life is beautiful and infinite, I feel bad for the people only experiencing a sliver of it.

LtLurker said:

Through studying how the brain works and what happens when you're near death sufficiently explains what occurs in that state.

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Eclipse3130 said:

I'll make some cookies full of rat poison maybe you can feel the intention then.

The logic in this thread chooses to say: it was the chemical reaction of the rat poison which gave you the bad experience, well.. that's obvious. But what's the deeper underlying meaning?

Hint hint.. negative intention

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If you made the cookies with your utmost positive intention...

...is the positive intention going to negate the effects of the rat poison?







-OM


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Eclipse3130 said:

The thing with LSD is it's a crystal which means it can vary in purity..

The purer the crystal, the easier it can reflect the absorbed energy, light, and intention that you put into it.

Pure LSD crystal is usually "charged" by its Creator. Meaning the chemist who makes it and purifies it, will have their intentions, and energies engrained into the crystal. This is what makes pure LSD special, is this "spark" of insight or realization that you will experience on the trip, you will be intaking what the Creator wanted you to experience. Same is with all crystals including Cannabis.

You can change water molecules with thought, but most likely the LSD crystal is already pure and charged by its Creator(what you're trying to do now)

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openmind said:

Eclipse3130 said:

I'll make some cookies full of rat poison maybe you can feel the intention then.

The logic in this thread chooses to say: it was the chemical reaction of the rat poison which gave you the bad experience, well.. that's obvious. But what's the deeper underlying meaning?

Hint hint.. negative intention

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If you made the cookies with your utmost positive intention...

...is the positive intention going to negate the effects of the rat poison?




-OM


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In my opinion, if you made cookies with your utmost positive intention, they would never have rat poison in them.

For the cookies to have rat poison in them, you would need a negative intent, for else, why would you add the poison knowing it will kill someone, there's no positive intention correlated to that

Though I very well understand your point.

How would rat poison end up in the cookies with a positive intent? Let's say it was an accident.

Will you still have a negative experience? Yes

Was it caused by either positive or negative intent of the cookie maker? No

This is where chemical reaction happens, but then, because of this chemical, was the very chemical designed with Positive or Negative intent if it is designed to kill? You tell me.

Based on history we know LSD was designed by accident essentially, with underlying intention being positive(medicines) from a deadly ergot fungus. Did Hofmann design a poison or a medicine? Did he display how you can turn something "negative" into something "positive"

Because ergot fungus is deadly did nature design it with a negative intent? Positive intent? If Nature has no underlying intention, is it considered Balance? Does that mean all things in Nature are inherently positive and negative because they "balance"?

Is intention a sentient characteristic only? A choice of decision? What if your intention is to "Balance" is it then considered Neutral? What does a neutral intention look like, being in perfect harmony, or balance? Inheriting both positive and negative intentions, but not acting on either?

Is a neutral perspective relatable to an "open mind"? No attachments to either side, but clearly viewing both?

Inspired me to think deeper