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Re: Back assward. [Re: DoctorJ]
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Icelander said:
I was thinking about all those beliefs that we reincarnate and come back as a dog or cat or worm based on how well we fucked up this life. But it occurred to me that maybe  reincarnation is headed in another direction from what we might think. Being for the most part arrogant assholes, humans believe us to be the pinnacle of the evolutionary/incarnate process. But in reality only completely unevolved creatures would think this especially considering the state of human affairs. I once had this great dog. He was so aware and sensitive, almost spiritual. I thought he was getting ready for a human incarnation (I don't believe in reincarnation by the way, but hold the possibility open). But really instead maybe I am getting ready to become a dog. And so on down the line until you reach a single celled organism where enlightenment is really happening. That seems just as likely to me. :wink:


have you contemplated animal and lesser existence? it seems absolutely terrible to me. nothing but extremes with no middle path to be comfortable.

if we incarnate down, where did we come from before humans and where are they right now? I don't know about that at all. I don't think anything is so fixed. You are what you are right now, and what you are right now is what you will be in another life based upon how your personality and actions and views fit together to reassemble.
Syle said:
DoctorJ said:
well, yes all forms are alive.  even rocks. 

but personally I'd much rather be a human than a rock!  And I'd much rather be a Grey with a spaceship that can travel through time than a human with a crappy car that breaks down!


do you know what it's like to be a rock? no i didn't think so. perhaps it's the ultimate state of being one with everything.


Buddhists say that there are refined elemental states one can attain.... it is not enlightenment and it is not permanent however, just a part of incarnating.
DoctorJ said:
Syle said:
DoctorJ said:
well, yes all forms are alive.  even rocks. 

but personally I'd much rather be a human than a rock!  And I'd much rather be a Grey with a spaceship that can travel through time than a human with a crappy car that breaks down!


do you know what it's like to be a rock? no i didn't think so. perhaps it's the ultimate state of being one with everything.


in a way, it is.  In a very boring way. 

like I said, no one wants to be one forever.  We like to rise and fall like children riding a merry go round.


What are you basing this off of? it sounds very much not desirable to me to rise and fall. Deliberate incarnation as an enlightened being perhaps, but otherwise that is ceaseless and ever present suffering.... and you don't even realize it and think it normal!

Humans aren't even that happy....... why rise and fall deliberately unless you are riding a fun roller coaster?

anyway what makes lower life forms more spiritual? Have you ever looked at dogs? They itch, so they scratch themselves raw, only increasing the itching. Not to say that humans don't do the same thing, just in more complicated ways..... but dogs don't even realize that they can just stop scratching for a while and hope for the best, so as to let the itching pass without hurting themselves.


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I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo!

....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!

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Re: Back assward. [Re: Veritas]
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Veritas said:
What if the life forms we look down on are actually more spiritually evolved? In that case, it would not be a matter of going "backwards" to reincarnate as a dog or a butterfly. That is the point of discussion here.




'we look down on'? again, you are making assumptions. I recently set off a bug bomb in my house and I was sad for the ants. I didn't want to kill them, but they were biting me in my sleep and it had to be done.

and yes, if you go from being a more conscious being to a less conscious being, that usually means you screwed up.

Think about this: Perhaps there is a planet full of dog people, or a planet full of butterfly people. They are just as conscious as us, or perhaps more, yet they have retained the physical characteristics of their species of origin.

If such planets do not exist already, they will exist once humans have spread life throughout the universe. Just leave a bunch of dogs on a planet where they are the dominant life form and watch them evolve over hundreds of thousands of years into conscious dog-people. Much like we evolved from apes to semi-conscious ape people.

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Re: Back assward. [Re: DoctorJ]
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Maybe deer are supper smart and have a weapons silo hidden some were and are planning on destroying every dumb thing on this planet down rite to spiders so they can live in a superior deer fantasy world.


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Re: Back assward. [Re: DoctorJ]
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DoctorJ said:
Quote:
Being for the most part arrogant assholes, humans believe us to be the pinnacle of the evolutionary/incarnate process.


a) humans are not for the most part arrogant assholes.  Just the ones you know.  You were too busy stepping on the good ones to notice they existed. 

b) Humans are not the pinnacle of the evolutionary process.  Have you ever studied the dolphin's brain?  I'm not even going to go into the alien life forms, you couldn't handle that. 

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And so on down the line until you reach a single celled organism where enlightenment is really happening.


progression and regression.  Once I had a female friend who told me she'd rather be a tree than a human, because 'all a tree has to do is stand there and look pretty.'  This made me want to barf.  "Those who are willing to give up their liberty for security deserve neither." 

The funny thing is, I told her, "Fine, sweetheart if you want to be a tree, I'll make you a tree."  Then she realized that there would be no sex or clothes or makeup or gold jewelry in her life as a tree, and she got sad.  Its funny, sometimes you give people what they ask you for, and they hate you for it. 

Why a human being would want to go backwards is beyond me.  I've always striven to become more than human.


Do you know what a Dork is? :tongue:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Back assward. [Re: Icelander]
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Help, I'm a rock
Help, I'm a rock
Help, I'm a rock
Help, I'm a rock

Hah-hah-hah-hah-hah-hah-hah-hah-hah-hah-hah

Ay-yo ee-ow-ee-ow-ee
Veni-ma-no too mah
Veni veni ka toree tor (see'dra votra nee!)
Vedi-vedi ki-ta-la tom-bay
Vel-lay ka-la tay-la-tor
Vel-lay kay-la ta-la-sor
Vel-lay kay-lay ka-la-tor
Vel-lay kay-la sa-la-tay
Vor-a kor-ay tor-a-tor
Vel-la kay-la sa-la tch'ay
Vor-a kor-ay kay-a la kur'ad
Vor-a silli kay-t'ay tcha-to
Vor-a kay-ay tay-lay tay-ay tcha-to

Klanna-tholl
Klanna-tholl
Klanna-tholl
Pik-a-dill-a do-tchay
Pik-a-li-sa no-say (o-ooh)

Bi-ni-bi-ni me-ho-la-ka ta-ka-ho-ba
Say-kay pay-tay-ho-a-la tur-i-ca (Mee-oo-da-ra)
Chil-li pil-li ka-zi-o-bi-a bee bee bee bee (Do-dee-bop)
You know...(a-mad hee)

(Arrrrreeeeeeeeeeeee...)
Oooooooooooaaaaaaaaaa...
OOOOaaaaaaaaaaa.........(ah, hah)

O-wee ya yo yo yo a-ki-o wee
A-ki-o-ka a-yi-a-ee
A-ki-o-ka o-ki-o-wee
A-ki-o-ka o-ki-o-wee
A-ki-o-ka o-ki-o-wee
A-ki-o-ka o-ki-o-wee
A ki-o-ka o-wee-say ya-vo

Pedi-goh
Pedi-koh
Ann-i tcho-ee-see-na
Per-a-ko-ee-say
Kar-ra
May-a-ta
Uh-oh
Uh-oh
Uh-oh
Uh-oh
Uh-oh
Hay-lo
Pray-lo
Say la do sa ka ho-say
Vay-lay ko say-let-a-no
Vay-la ka sa la to-shay
Va-la ko-lo-tay
Ay-o
Lay-o
Lay-o
Aaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyaaaaaaaaa
O-ha o-ha yew
Ah-yew
Lay la-fan
ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah

Help, I'm a rock!
Help, I'm a rock!
Help, I'm a rock!
Somebody!
Help, I'm a rock!
Please!
Help, I'm a rock!
Please!
Help, I'm a rock!
Please!
Help, I'm a rock!
Wow!
Help, I'm a rock!
Wow!
Help, I'm a rock!
Help, I'm a rock!
Somebody helps me

Wow, man, it's a drag being a rock
(Help, I'm a rock)
(Help, I'm a rock)
(Help, I'm a rock)
I wish I was anything but a rock
Heck, I'd even like to be a policeman
Hey, you know what?
You know maybe if I practice, you know
Maybe if I pass my driving test
I could get a gig drivin' that bus that pick the freaks up
In front of Ben Frank's, right?

Help, I'm a cop!
Help, I'm a cop!
Help, I'm a cop!
Help, I'm a cop!
(Help, I'm a rock)
Help, I'm a cop!
(Help, I'm a rock)

It's a drag being a cop
I think I'd rather be the mayor

Always wondered what I was gonna be when I grew up, you know
Always wondered whether or not . . . whether or not I could make
it
You know, in society, because,
You know, it's a drag when you're rejected
So I tore the cover off a book of matches
And I sent in
And I got this letter back that said . . .


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Anxiety is what you make it.

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Re: Back assward. [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Do you know what a Dork is? :tongue:


do you know what 'Columbine' was? :evil: :tongue:

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Re: Back assward. [Re: DoctorJ]
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Is your reference to those emotionally disturbed teenagers, who ended their brief lives after murdering their classmates, intended to be humorous? Ha ha.

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Re: Back assward. [Re: Veritas]
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that was justice

every nerd who got his ass teased and beaten in high school knows exactly what I'm talking about.

Its good that those kids put the fear back into those cocky rich jocks.

hopefully, the a list learned an important lesson from columbine:

push nerds hard enough, we'll push back. And we know how to push more efficiently than you.

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Re: Back assward. [Re: DoctorJ]
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No, that was an example of sociopathology at work.  Many kids are teased and bullied, but they do not take guns and bombs to school in order to solve their problems.  Those boys had been under psychiatric care, and should never have been released. 

Their list extended far beyond those whom they believed had bullied them:

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Several of the victims who were believed to have been killed for their religious beliefs became a source of inspiration to others, notably Christians, and led some to lament the decline of religion in public education and society in general.


Apparently their hatred extended to anyone who "annoyed" them. :sad:

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Staff and students hiding in the library exterior rooms said they heard the gunmen utter things such as "Everyone with a white cap or baseball cap, stand up!" and "All jocks stand up! We'll get the guys in white hats!" (wearing a white baseball cap at Columbine was a tradition amongst sports team members).


Edited by Veritas (05/29/06 07:44 PM)

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Re: Back assward. [Re: Veritas]
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and what about the bullies who traumatized them their whole lives?

do you know what a swirly is? :lol:  Do you know what goes on in the boys locker room in 8th grade?   

many high school jocks commit such atrocities against those who are weaker or less socially inclined.  Personally, I think bullies deserve a fate much worse than death.  I have a special facility all set up for bullies in Hell. 

do you even know what its like to be a nerd in high school?

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Re: Back assward. [Re: DoctorJ]
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As I completed my early education at home, I did not go to high school, but I am all too familiar with bullying. My 13-year-old son has been the target of emotionally disturbed bullies for several years. Unlike the parents of the two boys who turned guns on their classmates, I am involved in insuring that the bullies are disciplined and supervised.

Do you really believe that holding someone's head in a toilet should be punishable by death? That's a bit extreme. Bullying is repugnant and inexcusable, but hardly at the level of murdering 12 people because they wore white hats.

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Re: Back assward. [Re: Veritas]
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Yes, their reaction was extreme. I'm not arguing that.

as a disciplinary, do you not see the need to 'make an example' out of someone every now and then with punishment that is a little too severe, for the benefit of the onlooker?

Columbine was an example that was bound to occur, and it is an example that is bound to reoccur, as long as bullies exist and their crimes go unpunished.

as I have said many times before, you play with matches, you get burned.

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Re: Back assward. [Re: DoctorJ]
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The boys who shot their classmates at Columbine were mentally ill. They did not single out those who had bullied them, they were not nerds, they were sociopaths who found an outlet for their anger.

As a parent, what I wanted (and what was done) was for the children who were engaged in bullying my son to be exposed, and for measures to be taken to prevent them from acting on their dysfunctional impulses in the future.

I set them up so that I was present to witness their behavior. (They had been covering for one another, acting as lookouts while others picked on my son). I let them know directly that I had seen what they were doing, that I was going to see them disciplined, and that they would no longer be getting away with their behavior. Their parents were notified, and had to come to school to meet with the principal and their child's teacher. They were placed under stricter supervision by the teachers and playground monitors.

That is how you deal with bullies. If their behavior had continued, I would have pressed for their suspension from school. This did not prove necessary.

Columbine is bound to re-occur, but not because bullies exist. Sociopathology is behind the actions of the murderers AND the bullies. What is needed is not gunfire, but intervention.

Edited by Veritas (05/29/06 08:45 PM)

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Re: Back assward. [Re: Veritas]
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Who says socipoathology is necessary? Completely normal people have been pressed to contemplate such things.

I fantasized about shooting some kids back as early as 5th grade because they upset me so consistently. I thought about what I was thinking about and realized it was pretty absurd but I still fantasized about it.

A friend of mine who is a well balanced but was often picked on has said at times that he was on the verge of losing it and going off on anyone, it doesn't matter who.

You're forgetting that sociopaths don't start out that way.


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I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo!

....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!

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Re: Back assward. [Re: DoctorJ]
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"a) humans are not for the most part arrogant assholes. Just the ones you know. You were too busy stepping on the good ones to notice they existed.

b) Humans are not the pinnacle of the evolutionary process. Have you ever studied the dolphin's brain? I'm not even going to go into the alien life forms, you couldn't handle that."

Your an idiot.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Back assward. [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Being for the most part arrogant assholes, humans believe us to be the pinnacle of the evolutionary/incarnate process.


Yeah, I agree that humans are not the pinnacle of the spiritual evolution process. Being incarnated as a human is considered to be a truly wondrous thing. It is said in many traditions that even the devas (gods) must incarnate as humans in order to achieve Enlightenment. What evidence they had for this, I dunno, perhaps it was not meant to be taken literally...

Once one realizes enlightenment, then the conditions are no longer right for a reincarnation, or so I'd imagine. (speculation again...)

Icelander said:
And so on down the line until you reach a single celled organism where enlightenment is really happening. That seems just as likely to me. :wink:


Humans are more evolved than other creatures, having six senses, whereas animals have five, and there are a few with a very undeveloped sixth sense.

It seems logical that a more biologically evolved being would also be more spiritually evolved. After all, have you ever seen a meditating chicken?


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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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Re: Back assward. [Re: leery11]
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Contemplating cold-blooded murder is not the same as carrying it out.

I am saying that those boys in particular were sociopathic based upon their history of actions. Not everyone who thinks about killing a bully is sociopathic, but those who methodically plan to kill everyone who "annoys" them, obtain guns and bombs in preparation for their plan, then proceed to carry it out, show definite signs of sociopathology!

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Re: Back assward. [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Huehuecoyotl said:
Your an idiot.


'your' a person who needs to learn that 'you are' as a conjunction is spelled 'you're'.

If you're gonna call someone an idiot, you could at least use proper grammar when you do.

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Re: Back assward. [Re: Veritas]
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Edited by DoctorJ (05/29/06 08:21 PM)

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Re: Back assward. [Re: DoctorJ]
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Your comeback is to correct his grammar? You hardly disproved his point.


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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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