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Icelander
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Re: Back assward. [Re: DoctorJ]
#5694084 - 05/31/06 08:12 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Icelander
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We could all put him on ignore and it would be as if he never existed. We could actually drive god into non-existence. How powerful of us. Just shows what people can do if they band together.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
Edited by Icelander (05/31/06 08:15 AM)
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Re: Back assward. [Re: DoctorJ]
#5694187 - 05/31/06 09:33 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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DoctorJ said: you know what the funny thing is?
most of the people involved in Columbine went to the same place when they died: heaven!
I think that's pretty ironic.
I would imagine God wouldn't be too accepting of a few little punkass kids who violated what may be the most strict Biblical law ever created.
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Re: Back assward. [Re: Redstorm]
#5694200 - 05/31/06 09:40 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thou shalt not kill*
*unless someone wears a white baseball cap, annoys you, challenges your belief system, steals your girlfriend, makes fun of you, steals your lunch money, calls you names, asks you not to park your car there, makes more money than you do, is taller than you are, plays professional basketball, embarrasses you, is smarter than you are, etc...etc...etc...
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Re: Back assward. [Re: Veritas]
#5694212 - 05/31/06 09:45 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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-------------------- "What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?" "Belief is a beautiful armor But makes for the heaviest sword" - John Mayer Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin. "This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln
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Re: Back assward. [Re: Veritas]
#5694219 - 05/31/06 09:49 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sometimes I wish I could marry you and Icelander.
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Re: Back assward. [Re: Redstorm]
#5694272 - 05/31/06 10:07 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Do you have money and property in Costa Rica?
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Re: Back assward. [Re: Veritas]
#5694298 - 05/31/06 10:14 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Can't say I do. Who knows; maybe once I actually am graduated from college?
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Re: Back assward. [Re: Redstorm]
#5694324 - 05/31/06 10:21 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well let us know.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Back assward. [Re: DoctorJ]
#5698186 - 06/01/06 02:42 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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so be with the light, old friend. But don't forget your other half. Don't forget your crazy old lame cousin who 'ain't been quite right lately'. Don't be unfair to that guy, you don't know what he's been through.
Why do you think I reply to some of your posts? 
For the most part of my "re-awakening" if you will, I have seen things from your view of appreciating the polar opposites and spoke on it often. It's natural and normal to want to justify all of the crap in the world, and our own we spew and commit in attempt to make sense of it.
Do we need a villain or his ass kicked for one to be in the glory of winning? The winners are the ones who never think they have something that can be lost and needs to be fought for in the first place. The rest is smoke and mirrors and games.
There is only the forgetting and the re-membering.
Just because one forgets they have a $100 bill tucked away in a sock drawer, doesn't mean it ever left or isn't there. It always was there, even while you forgot about it. During that time, all sorts of silly, careless and violent things may be done because the person thought they had nothing and were trying to get something. None of it was necessary had they just remembered where all of their proverbial cash was stashed away.
It's not just a $100 in the sock drawer. There's another grand in the coffee can, another $100,000 in the mattress, another million in the shoe box, another billion under the floor boards, another trillion out in the shed.
The one who forgets how much they always had, works very hard to get something, some times steals or fights for it and lives feeling very angry and frustrated they have to do those things. The anger comes from that something inside that says, "This is senseless. I know I shouldn't have to be doing these things because, I am wealthy with power, but I forgot where my wealth is." Knowing deep within they deserve it, not even knowing what it is (divine inheritance) they start justifying all sorts of unpleasant to horrible actions to get a sense of it back.
If one comes back into their senses, they'll remember where its all stashed. Our senses tell us everything. Who listens to them or even can when they are dulled and calloused?
It's about hearing the sound of universal love. The light to see the obvious with comes from out of that.
First there was sound and then light.
The darkness of forgetfulness isn't good and never was. It keeps all the truth and wealth hidden from obvious view and people in anger, frustration and spiritual poverty.
What good is dull knife? A sharp knife can cut a clear form out of something. Sharp senses are all you need to feel and then see the forms of existence with, within the light of sound.
Why do you think your Yoda had Luke working with blind folds? To help him remember with his senses how to see forms in pure light, by feeling for them.
The stuff is blinding white. The only way to see in it is to feel in it and listen to it OR find ways to block some of it's intensity.
Consider there is a weakness, (akin to love caving in on itself) that caused the original consciousness becoming aware of itself, to become overwhelmed, couldn;t handle it, and tensed up to reduce the feeling(the contractions that birthed creation)
If there is a reason for this, it would not be because we needed to develop a strong ability to handle the intensity of being in Fear.
It would be that the weakest aspect needs to develop a strong ability to handle the intensity of the Love that makes the light.
Strength training to callous and desensitize the self so one does not feel fear doesn't serve the goal of what is to be strengthened. It only keeps moving one further from being able to feel the love.
The way to handle the intensity of fear, being "in a state of tension to cut off flows" is to simply relax and let it flow.
It's as if the one, couldn't even handle the intensity of its own love and in weakness started contracting and relaxing, for ongoing relief from the other and eventually burst into bits of itself under the growing pressure. Consider, thats how the first breaths of creation were started.
You can see those first bits, as they became self aware as an individuation of consciousness, were probably like OH Holy Mother of.........., this love is so overwhelming, it became too overwhelming and intense for them to handle, and that started the same process of contraction and expansion and creation and evolution came from all of that.
What do we do when we become overwhelmed with too much emotion or thoughts? We start to go into denial, to shave it all down to a manageable , comfortable size. In the process, we loose the sense of self, and self power, and fall deeper into forgetfulness.
The way back into the empowered self is not to desensitize yourself from fear until you are numb to it all, but to re-sensitize yourself to feeling and remembering the love, the power of the force within.
We do not need the darkness or fear to do that. We can choose to just relax, let go and learn how to enjoy the love that is, without becoming so overwhelmed by it, that it becomes so intense, we break at a weak spot, and clamp up and shut down to it again.
I think many individuation's have been working consciously or subconsciously at adjusting flows to meet personal comfort levels. It's easy to be weak and just shut it all down. Yet, where did the power go one wonders? We all love personal power and yet, if we can't handle the power of love, we naturally turn to using the power of others love to get what we want. This way, we can take from others power and use it for personal gain, never having to feel overwhelmed by it again.
I think it all happened very innocently and naturally in the beginning. I think over time, beings forgot about their own power of love and what it felt like. I think they realized that when another being suddenly becomes overwhelmed with fear, they are in a state of shutting down their flows, and the extra energy they cut off from themselves is available for others to grab for their own use.
Over more time, they learned that if they can find beings in love, and create reasons for them to fear it, or become overwhelmed by it, they could get power from them to use whenever they wanted. It became the only way for them they knew of.
That's when it all turned corrupt. It's just that they fell so far into forgetfulness of what their own love felt like, they forgot they have always had access to their own unlimited source of power.
If everyone was in their own, at least to the point of not having to use fear and intimidation to siphon it off extra from others, this planet, creation and even physical existence would be so much cooler.
Doc, I know you understand this stuff and yet, we all see you "sometimes" glorifying the use of the fear and intimidation via methods for gaining personal power. We see you even trying to use it on members.
It's a way many have learned to get by with doc, but not the way of the Christ you keep bringing up.
This understanding means a lot to me, because from this view, everyone is innocent. People who do despicable things, even consciously are just in a place of severe forgetfulness, fearing the power of their own love. IF they were to relax and remember it, like the stashed money, they would certainly make different choices.
Knowing that makes it easier to be understanding and forgiving and that's a peaceful place to be in.
If you truly believe that the light needs the darkness to be, we are not saying the same thing in this post. Thats a very 4-D polarized view and its correct from that view. That plane of consciousness splits everything into opposites working against each other.
You can shift higher then that doc and I know you have seen the view from the di polar planes where all is just Love, Light and Good and moving in the same direction as one force.
It's time for us to do more then catch glimpses of it now and again. Its time for us to shift it into it and not look back at "the glory days".
You must know that anyone who stays in denial and forgetfulness is going to end up experiencing nothing but losses, even though, they have it all already and winning was always a given. It was never a great feat to come into it by the default and illusive appearances simply because others forgot where their equated power is.
BTW, I've also said things like how it must get boring being at peace and in good will , remembrance and our personal power all of the time and used that as an excuse for why we choose to be in this density and as a reason not to let go of it.
That's just silly ego fear, of being overwhelmed by even MORE love and light that diffuses our separation from others, thats saying those things. When the ego is in the dim light of separation identity, it gets to feel better and worse then others. It likes that. 
Doesn't that sound juvenile to you doc, like kids games? This 3-4 D consciousness crap is what's getting boring. Arn't we ready to embrace some new challenges of being able to handle being responsible opening up to more power, even if it means giving into more unity and humble being?
What about all thats yet to remember with our abilities to create in good will with sound and light forms? There must be infinite more probabilities and possibilities to raise new challenges to master. How can it ever truly get boring?
There is no way we are any where near having realized the full extent of what the magnitude of this energy that breaths conscious life to us is all about. I don't think there is an end to it either and yet, we are always already there just like we are always at a new beggining.
Food for thought.
-------------------- Ahuwale ka nane huna.
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"he who is truly rich knows when he has got enough"
remember the spiral, old friend
towards the light, away from the light
up and down like a merry go round
Please don't cry in the morning light.
But don't cry in the twilight either
for it is all just part of the cycle
that creates a new day
and there is always a new day!
Though I have always been a night person myself.
the days are just too bright for me! The sun washes out the colors I find so dear.
What I really like is when sunlight is filtered through clouds. Not quite as dark as night, not quite as light as day. And the colors stand out more, when the sky is grey.
perhaps what I guy like you needs is stability. I can understand that. I prefer stability when it comes to some things, and chaos when it comes to other things.
We all have to find our own perfect mix.
"This porridge is too hot, this porrige too cold. But this porridge is juuuuust right."
you're right old friend. I could have avoided a lot of trouble if I'd remembered where all the treasures were buried. They were buried inside.
But guess what, bro?
I like trouble 
In giving my utmost to others
I have only increased the value of my property
For others are a wise investment
They'll pay me back someday
they have no choice in that 
I allow many choices to be made,
But no one can choose not to repay their master.
Even I am not immune from that law!
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Re: Back assward. [Re: DoctorJ]
#5698500 - 06/01/06 04:59 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm not a guy. This life began with much chaos and instability. My home life and childhood sucked. Never knew when the next punch, screaming match, flying plate or belt was coming my way.
Mmmmmmm yes, peace, and stability, warm love and gentility, unity and harmony is now a living dream I have created for MY family to dwell within. Much preferable way to live to me.
To each his own is right! 
Getting into trouble was fun when I was younger. I'm married, 38 now with a daughter and getting into or causing trouble during this chapter of my life would just be careless and stupid (for me). I know it can be big fun for others. I'm into making smarter choices now and working smarter, not harder at life, and working with the flow not against it.
Enough of struggling. I am preffering the relative ease I live in now.
-------------------- Ahuwale ka nane huna.
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