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Back assward.
    #5686940 - 05/29/06 03:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I was thinking about all those beliefs that we reincarnate and come back as a dog or cat or worm based on how well we fucked up this life. But it occurred to me that maybe  reincarnation is headed in another direction from what we might think. Being for the most part arrogant assholes, humans believe us to be the pinnacle of the evolutionary/incarnate process. But in reality only completely unevolved creatures would think this especially considering the state of human affairs. I once had this great dog. He was so aware and sensitive, almost spiritual. I thought he was getting ready for a human incarnation (I don't believe in reincarnation by the way, but hold the possibility open). But really instead maybe I am getting ready to become a dog. And so on down the line until you reach a single celled organism where enlightenment is really happening. That seems just as likely to me. :wink:


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Re: Back assward. [Re: Icelander]
    #5686989 - 05/29/06 03:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Being for the most part arrogant assholes, humans believe us to be the pinnacle of the evolutionary/incarnate process.




a) humans are not for the most part arrogant assholes. Just the ones you know. You were too busy stepping on the good ones to notice they existed.

b) Humans are not the pinnacle of the evolutionary process. Have you ever studied the dolphin's brain? I'm not even going to go into the alien life forms, you couldn't handle that.

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And so on down the line until you reach a single celled organism where enlightenment is really happening.




progression and regression. Once I had a female friend who told me she'd rather be a tree than a human, because 'all a tree has to do is stand there and look pretty.' This made me want to barf. "Those who are willing to give up their liberty for security deserve neither."

The funny thing is, I told her, "Fine, sweetheart if you want to be a tree, I'll make you a tree." Then she realized that there would be no sex or clothes or makeup or gold jewelry in her life as a tree, and she got sad. Its funny, sometimes you give people what they ask you for, and they hate you for it.

Why a human being would want to go backwards is beyond me. I've always striven to become more than human.


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Re: Back assward. [Re: Icelander]
    #5686991 - 05/29/06 03:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

that's really interesting. that makes more sense in my opinion than the traditional sense of reincarnation.


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Re: Back assward. [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5687008 - 05/29/06 03:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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DoctorJ said:
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Being for the most part arrogant assholes, humans believe us to be the pinnacle of the evolutionary/incarnate process.




a) humans are not for the most part arrogant assholes. Just the ones you know. You were too busy stepping on the good ones to notice they existed.

b) Humans are not the pinnacle of the evolutionary process. Have you ever studied the dolphin's brain? I'm not even going to go into the alien life forms, you couldn't handle that.

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And so on down the line until you reach a single celled organism where enlightenment is really happening.




progression and regression. Once I had a female friend who told me she'd rather be a tree than a human, because 'all a tree has to do is stand there and look pretty.' This made me want to barf. "Those who are willing to give up their liberty for security deserve neither."

The funny thing is, I told her, "Fine, sweetheart if you want to be a tree, I'll make you a tree." Then she realized that there would be no sex or clothes or makeup or gold jewelry in her life as a tree, and she got sad. Its funny, sometimes you give people what they ask you for, and they hate you for it.

Why a human being would want to go backwards is beyond me. I've always striven to become more than human.




it's not necessarily a matter of choice. ice was merely trying to show how we hold ourselves as this greater power, when in all reality, we may be just as insignificant as any leaf, bear, or potatoe out there.


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Re: Back assward. [Re: Icelander]
    #5687027 - 05/29/06 03:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Ooops...I'd better go meditate!  I'm hoping to skip all the life form incarnations between human and paramecium. :wink:


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Re: Back assward. [Re: Syle]
    #5687032 - 05/29/06 03:43 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

well, yes all forms are alive. even rocks.

but personally I'd much rather be a human than a rock! And I'd much rather be a Grey with a spaceship that can travel through time than a human with a crappy car that breaks down!


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Re: Back assward. [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5687050 - 05/29/06 03:47 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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DoctorJ said:
well, yes all forms are alive. even rocks.

but personally I'd much rather be a human than a rock! And I'd much rather be a Grey with a spaceship that can travel through time than a human with a crappy car that breaks down!




do you know what it's like to be a rock? no i didn't think so. perhaps it's the ultimate state of being one with everything.


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Re: Back assward. [Re: Syle]
    #5687057 - 05/29/06 03:48 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

the truely ancient ones


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Re: Back assward. [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #5687060 - 05/29/06 03:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Corporal Kielbasa said:
the truely ancient ones




exactly. the constant observers.


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Re: Back assward. [Re: Syle]
    #5687067 - 05/29/06 03:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Syle said:
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DoctorJ said:
well, yes all forms are alive. even rocks.

but personally I'd much rather be a human than a rock! And I'd much rather be a Grey with a spaceship that can travel through time than a human with a crappy car that breaks down!




do you know what it's like to be a rock? no i didn't think so. perhaps it's the ultimate state of being one with everything.




in a way, it is. In a very boring way.

like I said, no one wants to be one forever. We like to rise and fall like children riding a merry go round.


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Re: Back assward. [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5687085 - 05/29/06 03:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

We have no way of knowing about the subjective experience of other forms of life.  We can barely grasp the details of the subjective experience of other humans.  It is true arrogance to assume that our complexity equals spiritual superiority.  :shrug:


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Re: Back assward. [Re: Veritas]
    #5687110 - 05/29/06 03:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

its true ignorance to assume I said anything of the sort. learn to read. thank you.


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Re: Back assward. [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5687132 - 05/29/06 04:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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do you know what it's like to be a rock? no i didn't think so. perhaps it's the ultimate state of being one with everything.





in a way, it is. In a very boring way.




Were you or were you not saying that you know what it is like to be a rock?

No need to be snappish. I was referring to the general arrogance of humans, not yours in particular.


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Re: Back assward. [Re: Veritas]
    #5687153 - 05/29/06 04:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

well maybe you should try being a rock and see what its like. I could tell you what its like, but you won't believe what I say, so I guess thats a lesson you'll have to teach yourself.

I was merely stating a personal preference to be conscious and able to manipulate my environment in some ways. Where you drew 'superiority' from 'personal preference' is beyond me. I also personally prefer sushi to eating cowshit, but hey I'm not gonna judge anyone if they want to eat cowshit. I might laugh at them, but not judge them.


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Re: Back assward. [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5687165 - 05/29/06 04:10 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, yes, you are totally familiar with what it is like to be a rock.  Whatever.  :rolleyes:

I was not referring to you, but to the general arrogant stance of humans in believing that we're the pinnacle of spiritual evolution.  That is what this thread is about.


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Re: Back assward. [Re: Syle]
    #5687167 - 05/29/06 04:11 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

what if
to re-incarnate
we mix with others
and become newborn others
emerging as individuals
wondering what happens
when they die.

while this might decentralize responsibility (karma), any detectible improvement would involve at least some individuals doing a few lasting type good things while they are alive, whether they wonder about this or not.


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Re: Back assward. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5687176 - 05/29/06 04:13 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"Hey, you got your Hitler in my Mother Teresa!"  :lol:


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Re: Back assward. [Re: Veritas]
    #5687178 - 05/29/06 04:13 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

then we agree. humans are not the pinnacle of spiritual or biological evolution. But that doesn't mean that the right way is backwards. There are many places to go beyond humans.


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Re: Back assward. [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5687183 - 05/29/06 04:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

What if the life forms we look down on are actually more spiritually evolved? In that case, it would not be a matter of going "backwards" to reincarnate as a dog or a butterfly. That is the point of discussion here.

Whether alien life forms exist, or whether they are below us or above us in the potential chain of reincarnation, is not germane, IMO.


Edited by Veritas (05/29/06 04:21 PM)


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Re: Back assward. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5687185 - 05/29/06 04:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:
what if
to re-incarnate
we mix with others
and become newborn others
emerging as individuals
wondering what happens
when they die.

while this might decentralize responsibility (karma), any detectible improvement would involve at least some individuals doing a few lasting type good things while they are alive, whether they wonder about this or not.




this does happens sometimes. some souls are divided (like for instance Hitler's soul- many people have a little Hitler in them), some souls are multiplied (like Jesus's soul- quite a few people have copies of that one)

but most souls stay themselves, though they are ever-changing as they take on different incarnations.


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Re: Back assward. [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5687222 - 05/29/06 04:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Icelander said:
I was thinking about all those beliefs that we reincarnate and come back as a dog or cat or worm based on how well we fucked up this life. But it occurred to me that maybe  reincarnation is headed in another direction from what we might think. Being for the most part arrogant assholes, humans believe us to be the pinnacle of the evolutionary/incarnate process. But in reality only completely unevolved creatures would think this especially considering the state of human affairs. I once had this great dog. He was so aware and sensitive, almost spiritual. I thought he was getting ready for a human incarnation (I don't believe in reincarnation by the way, but hold the possibility open). But really instead maybe I am getting ready to become a dog. And so on down the line until you reach a single celled organism where enlightenment is really happening. That seems just as likely to me. :wink:




have you contemplated animal and lesser existence? it seems absolutely terrible to me. nothing but extremes with no middle path to be comfortable.

if we incarnate down, where did we come from before humans and where are they right now? I don't know about that at all. I don't think anything is so fixed. You are what you are right now, and what you are right now is what you will be in another life based upon how your personality and actions and views fit together to reassemble.
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DoctorJ said:
well, yes all forms are alive.  even rocks. 

but personally I'd much rather be a human than a rock!  And I'd much rather be a Grey with a spaceship that can travel through time than a human with a crappy car that breaks down!




do you know what it's like to be a rock? no i didn't think so. perhaps it's the ultimate state of being one with everything.



Buddhists say that there are refined elemental states one can attain.... it is not enlightenment and it is not permanent however, just a part of incarnating.
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DoctorJ said:
well, yes all forms are alive.  even rocks. 

but personally I'd much rather be a human than a rock!  And I'd much rather be a Grey with a spaceship that can travel through time than a human with a crappy car that breaks down!




do you know what it's like to be a rock? no i didn't think so. perhaps it's the ultimate state of being one with everything.




in a way, it is.  In a very boring way. 

like I said, no one wants to be one forever.  We like to rise and fall like children riding a merry go round.



What are you basing this off of? it sounds very much not desirable to me to rise and fall. Deliberate incarnation as an enlightened being perhaps, but otherwise that is ceaseless and ever present suffering.... and you don't even realize it and think it normal!

Humans aren't even that happy....... why rise and fall deliberately unless you are riding a fun roller coaster?

anyway what makes lower life forms more spiritual? Have you ever looked at dogs? They itch, so they scratch themselves raw, only increasing the itching. Not to say that humans don't do the same thing, just in more complicated ways..... but dogs don't even realize that they can just stop scratching for a while and hope for the best, so as to let the itching pass without hurting themselves.


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Re: Back assward. [Re: Veritas]
    #5687234 - 05/29/06 04:30 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Veritas said:
What if the life forms we look down on are actually more spiritually evolved? In that case, it would not be a matter of going "backwards" to reincarnate as a dog or a butterfly. That is the point of discussion here.






'we look down on'? again, you are making assumptions. I recently set off a bug bomb in my house and I was sad for the ants. I didn't want to kill them, but they were biting me in my sleep and it had to be done.

and yes, if you go from being a more conscious being to a less conscious being, that usually means you screwed up.

Think about this: Perhaps there is a planet full of dog people, or a planet full of butterfly people. They are just as conscious as us, or perhaps more, yet they have retained the physical characteristics of their species of origin.

If such planets do not exist already, they will exist once humans have spread life throughout the universe. Just leave a bunch of dogs on a planet where they are the dominant life form and watch them evolve over hundreds of thousands of years into conscious dog-people. Much like we evolved from apes to semi-conscious ape people.


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Re: Back assward. [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5687317 - 05/29/06 04:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Maybe deer are supper smart and have a weapons silo hidden some were and are planning on destroying every dumb thing on this planet down rite to spiders so they can live in a superior deer fantasy world.


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Re: Back assward. [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5687410 - 05/29/06 05:10 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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DoctorJ said:
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Being for the most part arrogant assholes, humans believe us to be the pinnacle of the evolutionary/incarnate process.




a) humans are not for the most part arrogant assholes.  Just the ones you know.  You were too busy stepping on the good ones to notice they existed. 

b) Humans are not the pinnacle of the evolutionary process.  Have you ever studied the dolphin's brain?  I'm not even going to go into the alien life forms, you couldn't handle that. 

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And so on down the line until you reach a single celled organism where enlightenment is really happening.




progression and regression.  Once I had a female friend who told me she'd rather be a tree than a human, because 'all a tree has to do is stand there and look pretty.'  This made me want to barf.  "Those who are willing to give up their liberty for security deserve neither." 

The funny thing is, I told her, "Fine, sweetheart if you want to be a tree, I'll make you a tree."  Then she realized that there would be no sex or clothes or makeup or gold jewelry in her life as a tree, and she got sad.  Its funny, sometimes you give people what they ask you for, and they hate you for it. 

Why a human being would want to go backwards is beyond me.  I've always striven to become more than human.




Do you know what a Dork is? :tongue:


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Re: Back assward. [Re: Icelander]
    #5687445 - 05/29/06 05:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Help, I'm a rock
Help, I'm a rock
Help, I'm a rock
Help, I'm a rock

Hah-hah-hah-hah-hah-hah-hah-hah-hah-hah-hah

Ay-yo ee-ow-ee-ow-ee
Veni-ma-no too mah
Veni veni ka toree tor (see'dra votra nee!)
Vedi-vedi ki-ta-la tom-bay
Vel-lay ka-la tay-la-tor
Vel-lay kay-la ta-la-sor
Vel-lay kay-lay ka-la-tor
Vel-lay kay-la sa-la-tay
Vor-a kor-ay tor-a-tor
Vel-la kay-la sa-la tch'ay
Vor-a kor-ay kay-a la kur'ad
Vor-a silli kay-t'ay tcha-to
Vor-a kay-ay tay-lay tay-ay tcha-to

Klanna-tholl
Klanna-tholl
Klanna-tholl
Pik-a-dill-a do-tchay
Pik-a-li-sa no-say (o-ooh)

Bi-ni-bi-ni me-ho-la-ka ta-ka-ho-ba
Say-kay pay-tay-ho-a-la tur-i-ca (Mee-oo-da-ra)
Chil-li pil-li ka-zi-o-bi-a bee bee bee bee (Do-dee-bop)
You know...(a-mad hee)

(Arrrrreeeeeeeeeeeee...)
Oooooooooooaaaaaaaaaa...
OOOOaaaaaaaaaaa.........(ah, hah)

O-wee ya yo yo yo a-ki-o wee
A-ki-o-ka a-yi-a-ee
A-ki-o-ka o-ki-o-wee
A-ki-o-ka o-ki-o-wee
A-ki-o-ka o-ki-o-wee
A-ki-o-ka o-ki-o-wee
A ki-o-ka o-wee-say ya-vo

Pedi-goh
Pedi-koh
Ann-i tcho-ee-see-na
Per-a-ko-ee-say
Kar-ra
May-a-ta
Uh-oh
Uh-oh
Uh-oh
Uh-oh
Uh-oh
Hay-lo
Pray-lo
Say la do sa ka ho-say
Vay-lay ko say-let-a-no
Vay-la ka sa la to-shay
Va-la ko-lo-tay
Ay-o
Lay-o
Lay-o
Aaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyaaaaaaaaa
O-ha o-ha yew
Ah-yew
Lay la-fan
ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah

Help, I'm a rock!
Help, I'm a rock!
Help, I'm a rock!
Somebody!
Help, I'm a rock!
Please!
Help, I'm a rock!
Please!
Help, I'm a rock!
Please!
Help, I'm a rock!
Wow!
Help, I'm a rock!
Wow!
Help, I'm a rock!
Help, I'm a rock!
Somebody helps me

Wow, man, it's a drag being a rock
(Help, I'm a rock)
(Help, I'm a rock)
(Help, I'm a rock)
I wish I was anything but a rock
Heck, I'd even like to be a policeman
Hey, you know what?
You know maybe if I practice, you know
Maybe if I pass my driving test
I could get a gig drivin' that bus that pick the freaks up
In front of Ben Frank's, right?

Help, I'm a cop!
Help, I'm a cop!
Help, I'm a cop!
Help, I'm a cop!
(Help, I'm a rock)
Help, I'm a cop!
(Help, I'm a rock)

It's a drag being a cop
I think I'd rather be the mayor

Always wondered what I was gonna be when I grew up, you know
Always wondered whether or not . . . whether or not I could make
it
You know, in society, because,
You know, it's a drag when you're rejected
So I tore the cover off a book of matches
And I sent in
And I got this letter back that said . . .


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Re: Back assward. [Re: Icelander]
    #5687463 - 05/29/06 05:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Do you know what a Dork is? :tongue:




do you know what 'Columbine' was? :evil: :tongue:


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Re: Back assward. [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5687497 - 05/29/06 05:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Is your reference to those emotionally disturbed teenagers, who ended their brief lives after murdering their classmates, intended to be humorous? Ha ha.


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Re: Back assward. [Re: Veritas]
    #5687518 - 05/29/06 05:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

that was justice

every nerd who got his ass teased and beaten in high school knows exactly what I'm talking about.

Its good that those kids put the fear back into those cocky rich jocks.

hopefully, the a list learned an important lesson from columbine:

push nerds hard enough, we'll push back. And we know how to push more efficiently than you.


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    #5687540 - 05/29/06 05:37 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

No, that was an example of sociopathology at work.  Many kids are teased and bullied, but they do not take guns and bombs to school in order to solve their problems.  Those boys had been under psychiatric care, and should never have been released. 

Their list extended far beyond those whom they believed had bullied them:

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Several of the victims who were believed to have been killed for their religious beliefs became a source of inspiration to others, notably Christians, and led some to lament the decline of religion in public education and society in general.




Apparently their hatred extended to anyone who "annoyed" them. :sad:

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Staff and students hiding in the library exterior rooms said they heard the gunmen utter things such as "Everyone with a white cap or baseball cap, stand up!" and "All jocks stand up! We'll get the guys in white hats!" (wearing a white baseball cap at Columbine was a tradition amongst sports team members).




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Re: Back assward. [Re: Veritas]
    #5687554 - 05/29/06 05:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

and what about the bullies who traumatized them their whole lives?

do you know what a swirly is? :lol:  Do you know what goes on in the boys locker room in 8th grade?   

many high school jocks commit such atrocities against those who are weaker or less socially inclined.  Personally, I think bullies deserve a fate much worse than death.  I have a special facility all set up for bullies in Hell. 

do you even know what its like to be a nerd in high school?


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    #5687586 - 05/29/06 05:47 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

As I completed my early education at home, I did not go to high school, but I am all too familiar with bullying. My 13-year-old son has been the target of emotionally disturbed bullies for several years. Unlike the parents of the two boys who turned guns on their classmates, I am involved in insuring that the bullies are disciplined and supervised.

Do you really believe that holding someone's head in a toilet should be punishable by death? That's a bit extreme. Bullying is repugnant and inexcusable, but hardly at the level of murdering 12 people because they wore white hats.


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    #5687615 - 05/29/06 05:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, their reaction was extreme. I'm not arguing that.

as a disciplinary, do you not see the need to 'make an example' out of someone every now and then with punishment that is a little too severe, for the benefit of the onlooker?

Columbine was an example that was bound to occur, and it is an example that is bound to reoccur, as long as bullies exist and their crimes go unpunished.

as I have said many times before, you play with matches, you get burned.


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    #5687683 - 05/29/06 06:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

The boys who shot their classmates at Columbine were mentally ill. They did not single out those who had bullied them, they were not nerds, they were sociopaths who found an outlet for their anger.

As a parent, what I wanted (and what was done) was for the children who were engaged in bullying my son to be exposed, and for measures to be taken to prevent them from acting on their dysfunctional impulses in the future.

I set them up so that I was present to witness their behavior. (They had been covering for one another, acting as lookouts while others picked on my son). I let them know directly that I had seen what they were doing, that I was going to see them disciplined, and that they would no longer be getting away with their behavior. Their parents were notified, and had to come to school to meet with the principal and their child's teacher. They were placed under stricter supervision by the teachers and playground monitors.

That is how you deal with bullies. If their behavior had continued, I would have pressed for their suspension from school. This did not prove necessary.

Columbine is bound to re-occur, but not because bullies exist. Sociopathology is behind the actions of the murderers AND the bullies. What is needed is not gunfire, but intervention.


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    #5687696 - 05/29/06 06:11 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Who says socipoathology is necessary? Completely normal people have been pressed to contemplate such things.

I fantasized about shooting some kids back as early as 5th grade because they upset me so consistently. I thought about what I was thinking about and realized it was pretty absurd but I still fantasized about it.

A friend of mine who is a well balanced but was often picked on has said at times that he was on the verge of losing it and going off on anyone, it doesn't matter who.

You're forgetting that sociopaths don't start out that way.


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    #5687719 - 05/29/06 06:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"a) humans are not for the most part arrogant assholes. Just the ones you know. You were too busy stepping on the good ones to notice they existed.

b) Humans are not the pinnacle of the evolutionary process. Have you ever studied the dolphin's brain? I'm not even going to go into the alien life forms, you couldn't handle that."

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    #5687725 - 05/29/06 06:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Being for the most part arrogant assholes, humans believe us to be the pinnacle of the evolutionary/incarnate process.




Yeah, I agree that humans are not the pinnacle of the spiritual evolution process. Being incarnated as a human is considered to be a truly wondrous thing. It is said in many traditions that even the devas (gods) must incarnate as humans in order to achieve Enlightenment. What evidence they had for this, I dunno, perhaps it was not meant to be taken literally...

Once one realizes enlightenment, then the conditions are no longer right for a reincarnation, or so I'd imagine. (speculation again...)

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And so on down the line until you reach a single celled organism where enlightenment is really happening. That seems just as likely to me. :wink:




Humans are more evolved than other creatures, having six senses, whereas animals have five, and there are a few with a very undeveloped sixth sense.

It seems logical that a more biologically evolved being would also be more spiritually evolved. After all, have you ever seen a meditating chicken?


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    #5687726 - 05/29/06 06:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Contemplating cold-blooded murder is not the same as carrying it out.

I am saying that those boys in particular were sociopathic based upon their history of actions. Not everyone who thinks about killing a bully is sociopathic, but those who methodically plan to kill everyone who "annoys" them, obtain guns and bombs in preparation for their plan, then proceed to carry it out, show definite signs of sociopathology!


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    #5687727 - 05/29/06 06:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Huehuecoyotl said:

Your an idiot.




'your' a person who needs to learn that 'you are' as a conjunction is spelled 'you're'.

If you're gonna call someone an idiot, you could at least use proper grammar when you do.


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    #5687736 - 05/29/06 06:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

.


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    #5687739 - 05/29/06 06:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Your comeback is to correct his grammar? You hardly disproved his point.


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    #5687741 - 05/29/06 06:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

how did he disprove mine?


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    #5687742 - 05/29/06 06:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I said that it was not the same.  Reading is fundamental. :lol:


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    #5687744 - 05/29/06 06:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

yup sorry about that

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    #5687746 - 05/29/06 06:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"'your' a person who needs to learn that 'you are' as a conjunction is spelled 'you're'.

If you're gonna call someone an idiot, you could at least use proper grammar when you do.'

LOL...I think you are the biggest buffoon I've seen here...come on....you can't be serious with this shit. :smile:


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    #5687747 - 05/29/06 06:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

still though, a lot of sociopaths actions are not categorized because no one ever finds out about them.

what about those who escape from your little system of categorization and applying stigmata? Are they immune from justice?

and what about the people who are unduly stigmatized? Have you ever read 'Girl, Interrupted'?


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    #5687750 - 05/29/06 06:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Never said he did.


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    #5687773 - 05/29/06 06:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

What are you talking about? Sociopathology is a mental disorder hallmarked by impulsivity, aggression & lack of empathy.

The protagonist in Girl, Interrupted experiences problems due to Borderline Personality Disorder, which is hallmarked by 'pervasive instability in mood, interpersonal relationships, self-image, identity, and behavior.'

These are not "my" categories, but the descriptions compiled by the American Psychological Association.

As to justice, that is not up to me.


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    #5687781 - 05/29/06 06:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

sorry if I was being obtuse.

I see you have far to go before you and I can communicate. I'm sure as not going all the way back down to your level, just to communicate with you. good day, madam.

Oh yeah, and the APA is a business, not a medical organization. The DSM-IV is crap.


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    #5687787 - 05/29/06 06:37 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

*sigh* This is a debate, not a playground brawl. Must you engage in personalisms?


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    #5687836 - 05/29/06 06:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Contemplating cold-blooded murder is not the same as carrying it out.

I am saying that those boys in particular were sociopathic based upon their history of actions.  Not everyone who thinks about killing a bully is sociopathic, but those who methodically plan to kill everyone who "annoys" them, obtain guns and bombs in preparation for their plan, then proceed to carry it out, show definite signs of sociopathology!



yes, and how misfortunate for them :frown:

but why did they become that way? Take them out of Columbine, take them out of nihilistic culture... away from violent media.... suffocate their outlets of despondency and nurture in them love through proper peer interactions (which are more important than parental interactions at that age I'd wager..... at least far more influential) and maybe they would have grown up to save dozens of lives out of compassion, rather than destroy them out of alienation?


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    #5687859 - 05/29/06 06:59 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

don't bother, dude.

fascists like her don't understand situational ethics.

they rely upon a rigid code, like the machines they are.


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    #5687874 - 05/29/06 07:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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and what about the bullies who traumatized them their whole lives?

do you know what a swirly is? :lol:  Do you know what goes on in the boys locker room in 8th grade?   

many high school jocks commit such atrocities against those who are weaker or less socially inclined.  Personally, I think bullies deserve a fate much worse than death.  I have a special facility all set up for bullies in Hell. 





do you even know what its like to be a nerd in high school?



You are giving yourself away here.  :frown:


I was one of those who got picked on and beaten up.  Grade school and even through most of high school. Those who did it have to live inside there own heads and hearts and thats enough punishment. But think about what was done to them by Mater and Pater to make them so angry. There life wasn't any easier.


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    #5687875 - 05/29/06 07:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

what makes her a fascist?

amd frankly I agree with the post above me. But at the same time I turned out to bully just so I would feel better about being bullied.... sort of a circle abuse.... and to one of my friends too.... we were "teasing" him and we liked him and everything but we still upset him a lot. :frown:

if you can empathize with the killers you should definitely empathize with the bullies too..... what in the world is in their heads that makes them feel good by being like that? Some are just as broken.

Discursiveness doesn't work.... put the daulity together and see how it's the same.


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    #5687889 - 05/29/06 07:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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don't bother, dude.

fascists like her don't understand situational ethics.

they rely upon a rigid code, like the machines they are.




You are one sorry sucker IMO. Get over your past and take responsibility for being alive.


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    #5688474 - 05/29/06 09:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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but why did they become that way? Take them out of Columbine, take them out of nihilistic culture... away from violent media.... suffocate their outlets of despondency and nurture in them love through proper peer interactions (which are more important than parental interactions at that age I'd wager..... at least far more influential) and maybe they would have grown up to save dozens of lives out of compassion, rather than destroy them out of alienation?




One theory is that sociopathology is rooted in the failure of attachment during the first three years of life. Learning to trust is the crucial developmental task during this stage of psychosocial development, and the absence of a trustworthy and loving caregiver leaves a gaping hole in the heart of a child.

These children fill the hole with rage, and often set fires, kill small animals, bully and intimidate younger/smaller children, and/or deface and damage property. They feel no empathy for or connection with other humans. Intervention is most successful when it occurs before adolescence. Post-adolescent therapy may be too late because the individual has formed a strong self-image around their dysfunctional behaviors.

By the time anyone noticed the two boys who killed 12 people at Columbine High School, it was probably too late to help them.


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    #5688596 - 05/29/06 09:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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These children fill the hole with rage, and often set fires, kill small animals, bully and intimidate younger/smaller children, and/or deface and damage property.




I've done all of that.


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    #5688628 - 05/29/06 09:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

The key phrase is often, and without empathy or connection.

Many young boys kill bugs and birds, play with fire, pick on other kids, etc...what characterizes the young sociopath is a lack of affect, an absence of warmth, a certain flatness. They don't like to be touched, cannot relate to the emotions of others, and do not have a conscience.


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    #5690194 - 05/30/06 10:46 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

yes, because we are boys not gays, hehe. Boys don't cry and feel no pain :lol:
no, sorry..just kidding :blush:
But some sociopathology also reflects parts of society itself. Like a pathosociological effect itself :wink:


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    #5690224 - 05/30/06 11:01 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Sociopathology is very much a reflection of society's ills. Too many little boys are told not to cry, to pretend they feel no pain. Too many babies left sobbing in their cribs to prevent "spoiling." (But really for the parents to avoid uncomfortable intimacy, IMO.)

I remember reading an interview with an African mother, who was horrified that American mothers kept their babies in a nursery far from where they slept. "Don't they love their babies?" she asked.

When we are abandoned, even to a well-decorated nursery, we begin the process of disconnecting from humanity. Why wouldn't we?


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    #5691180 - 05/30/06 04:01 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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The boys who shot their classmates at Columbine were mentally ill. 




Some of the people that are participating in this thread are mentally ill, or, at the very least, enjoy presenting themselves in that manner.

Honestly believing that one can turn someone else into a tree or that one "sets up facilities in Hell" is mentally ill.

Therefore, my comment stands. :lol:

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    #5691222 - 05/30/06 04:12 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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that was justice

every nerd who got his ass teased and beaten in high school knows exactly what I'm talking about.

Its good that those kids put the fear back into those cocky rich jocks.

hopefully, the a list learned an important lesson from columbine:

push nerds hard enough, we'll push back. And we know how to push more efficiently than you.




It's disgusting how you maintain this pretentious holier-than-thou persona, asserting how you are Christ-like, then you post garbage like this.

For once I would like to see some sort of substantive post from you, rather than misogynist statements and baseless claims about "grays" or how it feels to be a rock.

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    #5691249 - 05/30/06 04:18 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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As to justice, that is not up to me.




Of course not, that is up to Doctor J - after all, its his first name. :wink:

You better watch yourself, or he'll create a realm in hell for a fascist like yourself. :shocked:

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    #5691322 - 05/30/06 04:37 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

UH-OH!  Will he send the Easter Bunny after me, too? Will the Tooth Fairy decline to leave 50 cents under my pillow?

Damn...I bet Santa isn't visiting my house this December, either.  :sad:


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    #5691504 - 05/30/06 05:17 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

:rofl:

laugh all you want, woman

the joke is on you

but I have a feeling you won't realize that until its too late. 

thats how it usually goes with your type.


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    #5691510 - 05/30/06 05:19 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

all this drama.

come on guys.

let's just chill.


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Re: Back assward. [Re: leery11]
    #5691531 - 05/30/06 05:24 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

the responsibility for drama rest squarely upon the shoulders of those who start drama.

I wouldn't even be here if yall hadn't started a bunch of pointless-ass drama.


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    #5691542 - 05/30/06 05:26 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

well you have made some hefty claims which people rightly feel the need to challenge.


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Re: Back assward. [Re: leery11]
    #5691566 - 05/30/06 05:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

people should challenge themselves

why should they care what I say?

people who tell others what to do

are just bored because they have nothing of their own to do. 

even I am not immune from this law.  except when I am :smile:


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    #5691588 - 05/30/06 05:34 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

:fuckyou:


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Re: Back assward. [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5691635 - 05/30/06 05:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

now you're thinking :wink:


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    #5691679 - 05/30/06 05:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

2 cents

you can't blame children for being bullies
you can't blame them for growing up being able to weep at the beauty around them

can you blame the parents?
when they grew up with the same ignorance


put the blame where it belongs-
any person who doesn't honor womanhood is to blame
both women and men don't honor womanhood, their mothers and sisters and daughters
and this is the root of the problem

the idea that boys aren't supposed to cry, that is enforced by those who think that manhood is something
but manhood is only measured in its relation to womanhood

this mystery runs deep if you look at
they even call God "the father"

realize something, no being can be given the title of father, without first understanding womanhood.

one question the world has not yet answered for itself is this simple question "how does a boy become a father?"

and it is a sad state of affairs that the human race can't even answer the simple question on how to properly procreate the species.


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    #5691853 - 05/30/06 06:24 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

DoctorJ said:
:rofl:

laugh all you want, woman

the joke is on you

but I have a feeling you won't realize that until its too late. 

thats how it usually goes with your type.




And this is how it goes with your type. :hissyfit: :hissyfit: :hissyfit: :hissyfit: :hissyfit: :cryariver: :cryariver: :cryariver: :cryariver: :bitch: :bitch: :bitch: :bitch: :emocry: :emocry: :emocry: :emocry:


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Re: Back assward. [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5691858 - 05/30/06 06:26 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

DoctorJ said:
the responsibility for drama rest squarely upon the shoulders of those who start drama.

I wouldn't even be here if yall hadn't started a bunch of pointless-ass drama.




I never invited you into my thread. :thumbdown:


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    #5691879 - 05/30/06 06:31 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

why don't you cry to a mod then?


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    #5691881 - 05/30/06 06:32 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

There is no such thing as a moderator.


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    #5691884 - 05/30/06 06:33 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I'd rather tell you. It's much more satisfying. :tongue:


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    #5691887 - 05/30/06 06:34 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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There is no such thing as a moderator.




:rofl2:

Not in P&S.


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Re: Back assward. [Re: Icelander]
    #5691929 - 05/30/06 06:45 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Icelander said:
I'd rather tell you. It's much more satisfying. :tongue:




yes and I'd rather torture you

its much more satisfying than putting an end to your pointless existence.


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Re: Back assward. [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5691937 - 05/30/06 06:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Everybody wins! Yippee!


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    #5692054 - 05/30/06 07:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

:grin: :grin: :grin: :thumbup:


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    #5692085 - 05/30/06 07:20 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

DoctorJ said:
Quote:

Icelander said:
I'd rather tell you. It's much more satisfying. :tongue:




yes and I'd rather torture you

its much more satisfying than putting an end to your pointless existence.




You can't torture anyone, you can only be annoying. :tongue:


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Re: Back assward. [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5692088 - 05/30/06 07:20 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

MushmanTheManic said:
Everybody wins! Yippee!




sure everybody wins

but the real question is, will they blow their winnings on coke and hookers, and end up with nothing despite having won?


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    #5692133 - 05/30/06 07:26 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

you got a good line on some coke and hookers?


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    #5692145 - 05/30/06 07:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

DJ can hook you up. :thumbup:


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    #5692176 - 05/30/06 07:34 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:
you got a good line on some coke and hookers?




there are many benefits to meeting me in the flesh

and also many drawbacks.

the question is, will you be able to tell the difference between the two?


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    #5692193 - 05/30/06 07:38 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

also many drawbacks. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

UNDERSTATEMENT ALERT!


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Re: Back assward. [Re: Icelander]
    #5692206 - 05/30/06 07:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

hey, man you bought into your fair share of hardships

don't blame me for your bad choices


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    #5692211 - 05/30/06 07:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I'm blaming who? :tongue:


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    #5693230 - 05/30/06 11:34 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Hey man, I don't mean this offensively, but rather I seek to understand. You strike me as a:


type of person, drama seems to find you very quickly and easily.

Also your posts are extremely inconsistent: in one breath you talk of yourself as a truly divine gift whom we should all respect and pay homage too, yet in the next breath you suggest horrible things like torture and columbine and death being good. Those two mindsets seem almost like polar opposites.

And you absolutely refuse to consider other viewpoints or admit that you may be wrong or delusional.

I'm genuinely curious as to how you reconcile these diametrically opposed views and beliefs.


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Re: Back assward. [Re: dblaney]
    #5693255 - 05/30/06 11:38 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

have you read my entire post history?


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    #5693262 - 05/30/06 11:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Nah I'm only going by your posts in P&S...


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    #5693295 - 05/30/06 11:48 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

pretty much everything I've posted on this board is about unifying the opposites, while respecting their usefulness as pure separate entities.

its a difficult position to defend, and I don't always succeed in doing so. But I like to think I'm getting better.

anyway, don't judge me until you fully unerstand me.


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Re: Back assward. [Re: dblaney]
    #5693322 - 05/30/06 11:54 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Doctor J makes sense to me.

and its not inconsistent or polar opposites.

torture and death is well deserved by fuckers who are so ignorant that they cause people like columbine (or dr. j) to spawn.

and it's a very holy righteous attitude.
i know most people can't see that, but i can.

i'm sick of people holding on to the silly notion that in order to be holy you've got to be all kind and peaceful and mild mannered.

i would never actually torture someone, i couldn't hurt a fly, but i still know for a fact that alot of people deserve it.

jesus christ was not mild mannered and soft spoken
he was crucified for a reason, because he pissed people off
tore the temple apart
stuff like that


in another thread someone is talking about why god makes wars and people kill each other and torture in the name of religion and stuff.

when you realize death is an illusion, removing evil people from the planet in whatever way, isn't really a big deal.

why do you think it's so easy for muslims to die and kill in the name of allah.
yea i think their a bunch of freaks, and i think they are wrong-
but i still prefer them over people who torture and kill for NO REASON AT ALL. like the bullies, the ignorant, the tyranical establishment.

take the makers of cosmopolitan magazine for example, lol
they might seem nice and beautiful to some people
but they are destroying countless lives, children who grow up with eating disorders and bad self esteem, stuff like that, that grows into further problems, sexual dysfunctions, bad relationship choices, etc...


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Re: Back assward. [Re: Telepylus]
    #5693326 - 05/30/06 11:57 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

you know what the funny thing is?

most of the people involved in Columbine went to the same place when they died: heaven!

I think that's pretty ironic.


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    #5693373 - 05/31/06 12:10 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

i'm sick of people holding on to the silly notion that in order to be holy you've got to be all kind and peaceful and mild mannered.

Certainly, not in EVERY situation, but compassion and love are holy so it would be difficult to justify many acts of violence and anger and hatred.

i still know for a fact that alot of people deserve it.

I challenge your knowledge. How do you know for a fact that a lot of people deserve torture? This is an opinion based assertion, not a factual one. Simply because you think that some people do things that warrant much suffering on their part, it is not necessarily true. People get what they deserve because of the patterns of energy that make up form, regardless of whether or not you think they deserve something.

when you realize death is an illusion, removing evil people from the planet in whatever way, isn't really a big deal.

This is an oversimplification. Yes, there is no death. But there's also no birth or living either. We are here because we have believed that superficial appearances are genuine reality. This is more than enough reason to be compassionate to the mistaken belief in suffering that others have made.

Removing someone from the planet because you dislike them is almost always selfish and egoic. It is a big deal.


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    #5693395 - 05/31/06 12:17 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

the same God who created Ghandi also created Hitler. And both served their purpose.

as for myself, I choose Ghandi's way. That's more my style.

but all I'm saying is that differences in style often exist for a good reason. Not always, but usually.


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    #5693709 - 05/31/06 02:30 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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the same God who created Ghandi also created Hitler.




So Ghandi and Hitler had no say in their thoughts words and actions?


What happened to free will?

Ghandi created what he became and so did Hitler, using free will of choice.


Just because I could tear into someones head with a pitch fork, should I? 

If we go by what you say, we all might as well live really heinous, malicious and despicable lives, as long as we manufacture a good reason for it?  :confused:

Are you actually saying that there is good reason for Hitlers? :confused:

It's all silly excuses people use to justify their own inner Hitlers behaviors.

"The light needs the dark, to be" they say :thumbdown:

"The good needs the bad, to be" they say :thumbdown:

I say Bull caca. :smile:

I use to reason that stuff to myself too because it comes across sounding so "wise" and "cool" to feel/think that you can accept all thats fucked up in the world. you can even get so brainwashed that you begin to believe that you can be Hitleresque and you are doing the world a favor, "because the world needs the darkness and the bad."  :thumbdown:

It's all a bunch of desensitizing propaganda so il hearted, il minded, and il willing beings can justify themselves. Get enough to deeply buy into the crapola and you may even get supported for being Il hearted, il minded and il willed.

"Lets take the people with common good sense and desensitize them, so they no longer have senses." :hehehe:

"Let's feed them bullcaca ideas about spiritual strength training to toughening up to become calloused, the light needing the dark and the bad needing the good. Let's get them to believe that they can't have one without the other. :hehehe:"

"Lets ram it into their pee wee human minds so far that they will soon believe that their being calloused, hiding in the dark, and bad to the bone, is for the good of themselves and so others can know goodness and the light. They'll fall for it, yet again, suckas!:hehehe:

Children need to be molested so I can know good? :crazy: :thumbdown:

Wars need to be in play so I can know peace? :crazy: :thumbdown:

Darkness needs to exist for people to hide in so I can see in the light? :crazy: :thumbdown:

I need people to pound on me until I am senseless so I can "toughen up" and learn how to take more senseless beatings in the future without whining about it? :crazy: :thumbdown:

That stuff is all bull caca :thumbup:.

THINK and  FEEL with your HEART and know its :poop: (toxic material).

Why does one kid have to be raised by bad parents so another can have good parents? That makes no sense.

The daylight is day light. If we had binary star system, the sun could always be shining, and we wouldn't know the darkness of the night, NOR would we need too, to be in sunlight.

You only need sunlight to be in sunlight.  :sun:

Some people say, "well, you wouldn't know it was what it was or be able to appreciate it without knowing life without it." More caca.

I've always had use of my legs and I appreciate them and know what they do for me. Like I need to loose use of them to appreciate them and know what they do for me? :confused:

Saying we need the dark and bad so people can have and know the good and light is like saying, "We need legless people so people can know legs." :crazy:

It's like saying, "we need blind people so others can know they have vision and what vision is." :crazy:

It's like saying, "we need polluted toxic water so people can know and appreciate clean pure water."  :crazy:

I can live a whole life near a fresh water stream and know it and appreciate it without ever having come across, polluted and toxic water.

How did it become so easy for people to believe, including myself at times, that we need the dark and bad for there to be the light and good?

There only needs to be light and good for their to be light and good. The bad and the dark doesn't get you to them. It's what you fall into when you loose the ability to sense the light and good within the self.

Bad needs lack of good to be bad.

Dark needs lack of light to be dark.

Good needs only itself, goodness, to be good.

Light needs only itself, the light,  to be light.

All that blah blah sounds like, "Well  um , how would I see my flashlight was ON  unless it was dark outside? I need it to be night time for my flashlight to work." :crazy2: Does it not still shine its light during the day? Do you even need one if there is always natural light to see with?

Whose the wise guy who made the proverbial darkness fall so he could sell people his flashlights? He/She is smarter then us if we bought into that scam.

You want to be in the light and the good, to know the light and the good, and able to appreciate the light and the good? All it takes is getting your senses back. You always had them and never needed to not have them to know and appreciate them.

You also never needed an appreciation for the bad or the darkness of life to have and know the good and the light.

Did you need to crash a car, to know driving accident free was the ideal place to be? NO. Crashing a car just sucks and so does being in the bad and in the dark of life. It does nothing to make the accident free drives any better then they were before the crash.

People crash cars when they loose their driving senses is all.
Same with life.

Anything that serves to callous you to desensitization is serving up a platter of bull caca. Bon appetite if you buy into the idea of the good and light needing anything but itself to be.

:peace: :heart:


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    #5693730 - 05/31/06 02:49 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

if you want light without darkness, then thats what you'll have.

but I suspect it won't enthrall you forever. Why else did you leave it in the first place?

and you certainly won't be able to force your preferences on others. Ultimately, No one has that power or that right.

so be with the light, old friend. But don't forget your other half. Don't forget your crazy old lame cousin who 'ain't been quite right lately'. Don't be unfair to that guy, you don't know what he's been through.


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    #5693741 - 05/31/06 02:59 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

the funny thing is, you and I say the exact same thing in different ways. I realized this about you right off the bat.

but you come off as a bigot sometimes, as do I.

have you no respect for the villain of the story? Do you not appreciate a ripping good yarn, where it seems like the bad guys are going to win, and then the good guys kick ass at the last minute and everything ends happily?

life is just a story, man. Each life you live is like a book you read. And infinty has a big library. Some of the stories are sad, and some are happy. Some are adventurous, and some are boring. But everyone likes to read something different. I'm a big fan of Stephen King, myself. Too scary for some, but I find his writing both enjoyable and frequently uplifting. Just because a story has some bad elements, doesn't make it all bad! Conflict is what makes a story interesting!


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Re: Back assward. [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5693835 - 05/31/06 04:54 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I think that, after awhile, if you simply do not respond or acknowledge his existance, he might finally shut up. :lol:

Starting.... now.

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Peace. :mushroom2:


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I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
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Re: Back assward. [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5694084 - 05/31/06 08:12 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Good answer. :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue:


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Re: Back assward. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5694085 - 05/31/06 08:14 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

We could all put him on ignore and it would be as if he never existed. We could actually drive god into non-existence. How powerful of us. :thumbup: Just shows what people can do if they band together. :tongue:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


Edited by Icelander (05/31/06 08:15 AM)


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Re: Back assward. [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5694187 - 05/31/06 09:33 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

DoctorJ said:
you know what the funny thing is?

most of the people involved in Columbine went to the same place when they died: heaven!

I think that's pretty ironic.




I would imagine God wouldn't be too accepting of a few little punkass kids who violated what may be the most strict Biblical law ever created.


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Re: Back assward. [Re: Redstorm]
    #5694200 - 05/31/06 09:40 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Thou shalt not kill*






*unless someone wears a white baseball cap, annoys you, challenges your belief system, steals your girlfriend, makes fun of you, steals your lunch money, calls you names, asks you not to park your car there, makes more money than you do, is taller than you are, plays professional basketball, embarrasses you, is smarter than you are, etc...etc...etc...


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Re: Back assward. [Re: Veritas]
    #5694212 - 05/31/06 09:45 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

:rofl2:


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"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
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Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

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Re: Back assward. [Re: Veritas]
    #5694219 - 05/31/06 09:49 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

:grin:

Sometimes I wish I could marry you and Icelander. :wink:


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Re: Back assward. [Re: Redstorm]
    #5694272 - 05/31/06 10:07 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Do you have money and property in Costa Rica?  :wink:


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Re: Back assward. [Re: Veritas]
    #5694298 - 05/31/06 10:14 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Can't say I do. Who knows; maybe once I actually am graduated from college? :lol:


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Re: Back assward. [Re: Redstorm]
    #5694324 - 05/31/06 10:21 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Well let us know.  :heart:


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Re: Back assward. [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5698186 - 06/01/06 02:42 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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so be with the light, old friend. But don't forget your other half. Don't forget your crazy old lame cousin who 'ain't been quite right lately'. Don't be unfair to that guy, you don't know what he's been through.




Why do you think I reply to some of your posts? :wink:

For the most part of my "re-awakening" if you will, I have seen things from your view of appreciating the polar opposites and spoke on it often. It's natural and normal to want to justify all of the crap in the world, and our own we spew and commit in attempt to make sense of it. 

Do we need a villain or his ass kicked for one to be in the glory of winning? The winners are the ones who never think they have something that can be lost and needs to be fought for in the first place. The rest is smoke and mirrors and games.

There is only the forgetting and the re-membering.

Just because one forgets they have a $100 bill tucked away in a sock drawer, doesn't mean it ever left or isn't there. It always was there, even while you forgot about it. During that time, all sorts of silly, careless and violent things may be done because the person thought they had nothing and were trying to get something. None of it was necessary had they just remembered where all of their proverbial cash was stashed away.

It's not just a $100 in the sock drawer. There's another grand in the coffee can, another $100,000 in the mattress, another million in the shoe box, another billion under the floor boards, another trillion out in the shed.

The one who forgets how much they always had, works very hard to get something, some times steals or fights for it and lives feeling very angry and frustrated they have to do those things. The anger comes from that something inside that says, "This is senseless. I know I shouldn't have to be doing these things because, I am wealthy with power, but I forgot where my wealth is." Knowing deep within they deserve it, not even knowing what it is (divine inheritance) they start justifying all sorts of unpleasant to horrible actions to get a sense of it back.

If one comes back into their senses, they'll remember where its all stashed. Our senses tell us everything. Who listens to them or even can when they are dulled and calloused?

It's about hearing the sound of universal love. The light to see the obvious with comes from out of that.

First there was sound and then light.

The darkness of forgetfulness isn't good and never was. It keeps all the truth and wealth hidden from obvious view and people in anger, frustration and spiritual poverty.

What good is dull knife? A sharp knife can cut a clear form out of something. Sharp senses are all you need to feel and then see the forms of existence with, within the light of sound.

Why do you think your Yoda had Luke working with blind folds? To help him remember with his senses how to see forms in pure light, by feeling for them.

The stuff is blinding white. The only way to see in it is to feel in it and listen to it OR find ways to block some of it's intensity.

Consider there is a weakness, (akin to love caving in on itself) that caused the original consciousness becoming aware of itself, to become overwhelmed, couldn;t handle it, and tensed up to reduce the feeling(the contractions that birthed creation)

If there is a reason for this, it would not be because we needed to develop a strong ability to handle the intensity of being in Fear.

It would be that the weakest aspect needs to develop a strong ability to handle the intensity of the Love that makes the light.

Strength training to callous and desensitize the self so one does not feel fear doesn't serve the goal of what is to be strengthened.  It only keeps moving one further from being able to feel the love.

The way to handle the intensity of fear, being "in a state of tension to cut off flows" is to simply relax and let it flow.

It's as if the one, couldn't even handle the intensity of its own love and in weakness started contracting and relaxing, for ongoing relief from the other and eventually burst into bits of itself under the growing pressure. Consider, thats how the first breaths of creation were started.

You can see those first bits, as they became self aware as an individuation of consciousness, were probably like OH Holy Mother of.........., this love is so overwhelming, it became too overwhelming and intense for them to handle, and that started the same process of contraction and expansion and creation and evolution came from all of that.

What do we do when we become overwhelmed with too much emotion or thoughts? We start to go into denial, to shave it all down to a manageable , comfortable size. In the process, we loose the sense of self, and self power, and fall deeper into forgetfulness.

The way back into the empowered self is not to desensitize yourself from fear until you are numb to it all, but to re-sensitize yourself to feeling and remembering the love, the power of the force within.

We do not need the darkness or fear to do that. We can choose to just relax, let go and learn how to enjoy the love that is, without becoming so overwhelmed by it, that it becomes so intense, we break at a weak spot, and clamp up and shut down to it again.

I think many individuation's have been working consciously or subconsciously at adjusting flows to meet personal comfort levels. It's easy to be weak and just shut it all down. Yet, where did the power go one wonders? We all love personal power and yet, if we can't handle the power of love, we naturally turn to using the power of others love to get what we want. This way, we can take from others power and use it for personal gain, never having to feel overwhelmed by it again.

I think it all happened very innocently and naturally in the beginning. I think over time, beings forgot about their own power of love and what it felt like. I think they realized that when another being suddenly becomes overwhelmed with fear, they are in a state of shutting down their flows, and the extra energy they cut off from themselves is available for others to grab for their own use.

Over more time, they learned that if they can find beings in love, and create reasons for them to fear it, or become overwhelmed by it, they could get power from them to use whenever they wanted. It became the only way for them they knew of.

That's when it all turned corrupt. It's just that they fell so far into forgetfulness of what their own love felt like, they forgot they have always had access to their own unlimited source of power.

If everyone was in their own, at least to the point of not having to use fear and intimidation to siphon it off extra from others, this planet, creation and even physical existence would be so much cooler.

Doc, I know you understand this stuff and yet, we all see you "sometimes" glorifying the use of the fear and intimidation via  methods for gaining personal power. We see you even trying to use it on members.

It's a way many have learned to get by with doc, but not the way of the Christ you keep bringing up.

This understanding means a lot to me, because from this view, everyone is innocent. People who do despicable things, even consciously are just in a place of severe forgetfulness, fearing the power of their own love. IF they were to relax and remember it, like  the stashed money, they would certainly make different choices.

Knowing that makes it easier to be understanding and forgiving and that's a peaceful place to be in.

If you truly believe that the light needs the darkness to be, we are not saying the same thing in this post. Thats a very 4-D polarized view and its correct from that view. That plane of consciousness splits everything into opposites working against each other.

You can shift higher then that doc and I know you have seen the view from the di polar planes where all is just Love, Light and Good and moving in the same direction as one force.

It's time for us to do more then catch glimpses of it now and again. Its time for us to shift it into it and not look back at "the glory days".

You must know that anyone who stays in denial and forgetfulness is going to end up experiencing nothing but losses, even though, they have it all already and winning was always a given. It was never a great feat to come into it by the default and illusive appearances simply because others forgot where their equated power is.

BTW, I've also said things like how it must get boring being at peace and in good will , remembrance and our personal power all of the time and used that as an excuse for why we choose to be in this density and as a reason not to let go of it.

That's just silly ego fear, of being overwhelmed by even MORE love and light that diffuses our separation from others, thats saying those things. When the ego is in the dim light of separation identity, it gets to feel better and worse then others. It likes that.  :tongue:

Doesn't that sound juvenile to you doc, like kids games? This 3-4 D consciousness crap is what's getting boring. Arn't we ready to embrace some new challenges of being able to handle being responsible opening up to more power, even if it means giving into more unity and humble being?

What about all thats yet to remember with our abilities to create in good will with sound and light forms? There must be infinite more probabilities and possibilities to raise new challenges to master. How can it ever truly get boring? 

There is no way we are any where near having realized the full extent of what the magnitude of this energy that breaths conscious life to us is all about. I don't think there is an end to it either and yet, we are always already there just like we are always at a new beggining. 

Food for thought.

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Re: Back assward. [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5698346 - 06/01/06 03:46 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

"he who is truly rich
knows when he has got enough"

remember the spiral, old friend

towards the light, away from the light

up and down like a merry go round

Please don't cry in the morning light.

But don't cry in the twilight either

for it is all just part of the cycle

that creates a new day

and there is always a new day!

Though I have always been a night person myself.

the days are just too bright for me!  The sun washes out the colors I find so dear. 

What I really like is when sunlight is filtered through clouds.  Not quite as dark as night, not quite as light as day.  And the colors stand out more, when the sky is grey.

perhaps what I guy like you needs is stability.  I can understand that.  I prefer stability when it comes to some things, and chaos when it comes to other things. 

We all have to find our own perfect mix. 

"This porridge is too hot, this porrige too cold.  But this porridge is juuuuust right."

you're right old friend.  I could have avoided a lot of trouble if I'd remembered where all the treasures were buried.  They were buried inside. 

But guess what, bro? 

I like trouble :cool:

In giving my utmost to others

I have only increased the value of my property

For others are a wise investment

They'll pay me back someday

they have no choice in that :wink:

I allow many choices to be made,

But no one can choose not to repay their master. 

Even I am not immune from that law!


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Re: Back assward. [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5698500 - 06/01/06 04:59 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I'm not a guy. This life began with much chaos and instability. My home life and childhood sucked. Never knew when the next punch, screaming match, flying plate or belt was coming my way.

Mmmmmmm yes, peace, and stability, warm love and gentility, unity and harmony is now a living dream I have created for MY family to dwell within. Much preferable way to live to me.

To each his own is right! :smile: :thumbup:

Getting into trouble was fun when I was younger. I'm married, 38 now with a daughter and getting into or causing trouble during this chapter of my life would just be careless and stupid (for me). I know it can be big fun for others.  I'm into making smarter choices now and working smarter, not harder at life, and working with the flow not against it.

Enough of struggling. I am preffering the relative ease I live in now.

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