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Re: Back assward. [Re: dblaney]
    #5687741 - 05/29/06 06:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

how did he disprove mine?


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Re: Back assward. [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5687742 - 05/29/06 06:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I said that it was not the same.  Reading is fundamental. :lol:


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Re: Back assward. [Re: Veritas]
    #5687744 - 05/29/06 06:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

yup sorry about that

duly edited


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Re: Back assward. [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5687746 - 05/29/06 06:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"'your' a person who needs to learn that 'you are' as a conjunction is spelled 'you're'.

If you're gonna call someone an idiot, you could at least use proper grammar when you do.'

LOL...I think you are the biggest buffoon I've seen here...come on....you can't be serious with this shit. :smile:


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Re: Back assward. [Re: Veritas]
    #5687747 - 05/29/06 06:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

still though, a lot of sociopaths actions are not categorized because no one ever finds out about them.

what about those who escape from your little system of categorization and applying stigmata? Are they immune from justice?

and what about the people who are unduly stigmatized? Have you ever read 'Girl, Interrupted'?


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Re: Back assward. [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5687750 - 05/29/06 06:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Never said he did.


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Re: Back assward. [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5687773 - 05/29/06 06:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

What are you talking about? Sociopathology is a mental disorder hallmarked by impulsivity, aggression & lack of empathy.

The protagonist in Girl, Interrupted experiences problems due to Borderline Personality Disorder, which is hallmarked by 'pervasive instability in mood, interpersonal relationships, self-image, identity, and behavior.'

These are not "my" categories, but the descriptions compiled by the American Psychological Association.

As to justice, that is not up to me.


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Re: Back assward. [Re: Veritas]
    #5687781 - 05/29/06 06:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

sorry if I was being obtuse.

I see you have far to go before you and I can communicate. I'm sure as not going all the way back down to your level, just to communicate with you. good day, madam.

Oh yeah, and the APA is a business, not a medical organization. The DSM-IV is crap.


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Re: Back assward. [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5687787 - 05/29/06 06:37 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

*sigh* This is a debate, not a playground brawl. Must you engage in personalisms?


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Re: Back assward. [Re: Veritas]
    #5687836 - 05/29/06 06:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Contemplating cold-blooded murder is not the same as carrying it out.

I am saying that those boys in particular were sociopathic based upon their history of actions.  Not everyone who thinks about killing a bully is sociopathic, but those who methodically plan to kill everyone who "annoys" them, obtain guns and bombs in preparation for their plan, then proceed to carry it out, show definite signs of sociopathology!



yes, and how misfortunate for them :frown:

but why did they become that way? Take them out of Columbine, take them out of nihilistic culture... away from violent media.... suffocate their outlets of despondency and nurture in them love through proper peer interactions (which are more important than parental interactions at that age I'd wager..... at least far more influential) and maybe they would have grown up to save dozens of lives out of compassion, rather than destroy them out of alienation?


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Re: Back assward. [Re: leery11]
    #5687859 - 05/29/06 06:59 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

don't bother, dude.

fascists like her don't understand situational ethics.

they rely upon a rigid code, like the machines they are.


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Re: Back assward. [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5687874 - 05/29/06 07:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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and what about the bullies who traumatized them their whole lives?

do you know what a swirly is? :lol:  Do you know what goes on in the boys locker room in 8th grade?   

many high school jocks commit such atrocities against those who are weaker or less socially inclined.  Personally, I think bullies deserve a fate much worse than death.  I have a special facility all set up for bullies in Hell. 





do you even know what its like to be a nerd in high school?



You are giving yourself away here.  :frown:


I was one of those who got picked on and beaten up.  Grade school and even through most of high school. Those who did it have to live inside there own heads and hearts and thats enough punishment. But think about what was done to them by Mater and Pater to make them so angry. There life wasn't any easier.


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Edited by Icelander (05/29/06 07:02 PM)


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Re: Back assward. [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5687875 - 05/29/06 07:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

what makes her a fascist?

amd frankly I agree with the post above me. But at the same time I turned out to bully just so I would feel better about being bullied.... sort of a circle abuse.... and to one of my friends too.... we were "teasing" him and we liked him and everything but we still upset him a lot. :frown:

if you can empathize with the killers you should definitely empathize with the bullies too..... what in the world is in their heads that makes them feel good by being like that? Some are just as broken.

Discursiveness doesn't work.... put the daulity together and see how it's the same.


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Edited by leery11 (05/29/06 07:03 PM)


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Re: Back assward. [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5687889 - 05/29/06 07:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

DoctorJ said:
don't bother, dude.

fascists like her don't understand situational ethics.

they rely upon a rigid code, like the machines they are.




You are one sorry sucker IMO. Get over your past and take responsibility for being alive.


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Re: Back assward. [Re: leery11]
    #5688474 - 05/29/06 09:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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leery11 said:
but why did they become that way? Take them out of Columbine, take them out of nihilistic culture... away from violent media.... suffocate their outlets of despondency and nurture in them love through proper peer interactions (which are more important than parental interactions at that age I'd wager..... at least far more influential) and maybe they would have grown up to save dozens of lives out of compassion, rather than destroy them out of alienation?




One theory is that sociopathology is rooted in the failure of attachment during the first three years of life. Learning to trust is the crucial developmental task during this stage of psychosocial development, and the absence of a trustworthy and loving caregiver leaves a gaping hole in the heart of a child.

These children fill the hole with rage, and often set fires, kill small animals, bully and intimidate younger/smaller children, and/or deface and damage property. They feel no empathy for or connection with other humans. Intervention is most successful when it occurs before adolescence. Post-adolescent therapy may be too late because the individual has formed a strong self-image around their dysfunctional behaviors.

By the time anyone noticed the two boys who killed 12 people at Columbine High School, it was probably too late to help them.


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Re: Back assward. [Re: Veritas]
    #5688596 - 05/29/06 09:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

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These children fill the hole with rage, and often set fires, kill small animals, bully and intimidate younger/smaller children, and/or deface and damage property.




I've done all of that.


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Re: Back assward. [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5688628 - 05/29/06 09:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

The key phrase is often, and without empathy or connection.

Many young boys kill bugs and birds, play with fire, pick on other kids, etc...what characterizes the young sociopath is a lack of affect, an absence of warmth, a certain flatness. They don't like to be touched, cannot relate to the emotions of others, and do not have a conscience.


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Re: Back assward. [Re: Veritas]
    #5690194 - 05/30/06 10:46 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

yes, because we are boys not gays, hehe. Boys don't cry and feel no pain :lol:
no, sorry..just kidding :blush:
But some sociopathology also reflects parts of society itself. Like a pathosociological effect itself :wink:


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Re: Back assward. [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5690224 - 05/30/06 11:01 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Sociopathology is very much a reflection of society's ills. Too many little boys are told not to cry, to pretend they feel no pain. Too many babies left sobbing in their cribs to prevent "spoiling." (But really for the parents to avoid uncomfortable intimacy, IMO.)

I remember reading an interview with an African mother, who was horrified that American mothers kept their babies in a nursery far from where they slept. "Don't they love their babies?" she asked.

When we are abandoned, even to a well-decorated nursery, we begin the process of disconnecting from humanity. Why wouldn't we?


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Re: Back assward. [Re: Veritas]
    #5691180 - 05/30/06 04:01 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Veritas said:
The boys who shot their classmates at Columbine were mentally ill. 




Some of the people that are participating in this thread are mentally ill, or, at the very least, enjoy presenting themselves in that manner.

Honestly believing that one can turn someone else into a tree or that one "sets up facilities in Hell" is mentally ill.

Therefore, my comment stands. :lol:

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