Auto-SummaryThis forum post delves into the philosophical and practical implications of possessing extraordinary abilities such as psychic or psychokinetic powers. The author questions why someone with these abilities would choose not to use them for the greater good, referencing a story about an arhat who inadvertently caused the deaths of people he intended to save. The post argues that transcending ego and achieving omniscience requires stopping all karma, making interference impossible. The author also discusses the unpredictability of predicting disasters and the role of coincidence. They share a personal anecdote about a dream predicting a school shooting, emphasizing that even if dreams come true, it doesn't confirm psychic abilities. The post concludes by pondering the potential consequences of a psychic or psychokinetic individual proving their powers, suggesting that such a revelation could be met with skepticism and government intervention. Ultimately, the author advocates for the pursuit of enlightenment over material gain, highlighting the importance of spiritual development over financial success.
Xanthas said:
Firstly, why not?
this all goes far too abstract. someone with such abilities would to me transcend their very human nature and have no need to stay on a human level.... at this point karma comes heavily into play and i'm reminded of a story in which an arhat goes to save a village from being murdered by shrinking the people and putting them in a bowl, only to find when he returns to wherever he came from that all the people in the bowl are dead. the buddha said that they could not escape their karma.
now viewed from a cynical mind you'd say "that's just an excuse" but you have to understand buddhism. with transcendence of ego comes omniscience but in order to transcend ego ALL karma must be stopped..... you cannot interfere and you cannot save people from their own misfortunes. secondly if on 9/10 you told everyone to leave new york how many would? There was a composer who right before 9/11 frantically wrote a musical piece out of a fever of inspiration..... but such things can be seen as coincidence....
obviously on any given day if you say "there's going to be a disaster" you're going to be right sooner or later. onely it may mean that you are sensitive to such things but two-ly it may mean that the future is not also written in stone, or maybe it was just a coincidence.
hell you know what... no one will believe this but i predicted a school shooting in ohio based off my dreams and it shortly happened thereafter, i even posted about it on a message board before it happened but you know what..... the dream... it was vague...... it was not enough for me to claim that I am a psychic.... only that I pieced something together and it happened to be right, nothing more or less....... now I have had enough things like that happen to know that if my dreams want to they will go that way, but I am not arrogant or foolish enough to claim that I can regularly divine the future from my dreams, or to even be able to tell beforehand if a dream will or won't be valid.
take it how you will. did you ever stop to think that disasters happen to the people they happen to for a reason? This is the answer as to why someone... namely a human being, wouldn't be able to do such things....... not to say it's a definitive answer, who knows what.... it's the only way i can answer you.
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Secondly, someone who was strongly psychokinetic (or could commune with the elements, whatever) could maybe stop said disaster? (or ask it nicely to go away?)
and how do they prove this "Th world will end tomorrow unless I choose for it not to........ *waves his hands dramatically* there... now we're all safe." But maybe they could and if so they do.Quote:
Remote viewing could allow one to see the disaster brewing. Precognition, if it exists, should strongly respond to such a dramatic event.
mmm yeah ..... well okay let's look at a show called "the lone gunmen". planes were almost flown into the world trade center by a shadow government wanting to create the illusion of terrorism if i recall correctly, the episode aired in 2000.
then it happened a year later in real life.
Nothing stopped it. Just because you see something coming ... or KNOW something is coming because many people did know either intuitively or from fact or from intelligence reports... doesn't mean you can stop it. How do you get people to listen? Remember the Twilight Zone where a man finds himself in the times of Lincoln and tries to warn everyone of the assassination and they lock him up becasue he's going crazy that no one will listen? Seriously dude if I flat out told a group of people not to go somewhere because something would happen how many of them would?
I'll give you another one. I dreamed of a football game being bombed.... the location was wrong... but something almost happened. I warned the proper authorities in the dream and told them to leave knowing fully well that most wouldn't. I didn't think anything of the dream... just a curiosity like "hey wonder if this will happen." it almost did....... within 5 days of the dream max I'd say.
I didn't have enough information, not the name of the bomber, not what he looked like...... not even enough of a conviction to go out and warn people...... I didn't know it was going to happen.
And I can't know... I can't know until it does and the occurences are too sparing for me to have an "ability" or a "power" but nonetheless enough for me to pay attention to these dreams when they do come up, just in case. Plus if everyting I dreamed came true drugs would be legal by now..... not even a small fraction of them come true... perhaps it is just because I have better recall than most people that I see more co-occurences?
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Another point, why would such a development of powers necessitate the giving up of all contact with money? As has been said many times before, why not both A) Prove something remarkable to the scientific community and B) do many good works with a million dollars?
like i said, because you would be a guinea pig, because of karma, because of spiritual development, because of the fact that if these things are really only a small number of beings are likely to posess them.... because WHY DO YOU NEED MONEY? If I can fly............. ummm.... do I really want a million dollars? Fuck that I can fly...... I can spend my whole life happy that I have proven physics wrong....... why do I need money?
For science it would be a noble affair, but if someone could fly... would the government leave them alone? This is the government that poisons people with radiation to learn about the effects without their knowledge or consent.... such a prize to be had... the only flying man in the world that demonstrates his abilities to us.
you'd better fly the hell out of America and ..... how long would it take to get that million? You'd have to set up a way for it to be wired all sorts of covert ways so you could pick it up wherever you fled to.
or maybe you agreed to dedicate yourself directly to science but at your own terms and your own pace. you'd still be monitored. everywhere you go people would demand that you fly for them because they are still skeptical..
why?
The odds of being able to levitate are so low that someone who is able to already has something more precious than a million dollars and the spiritual teachings that led him to that realization are more important than scientific knowledge. If you want to levitate attain enlightenment....... the text is already there...... you'd just come off as an anti-christ to the public's eyes................
if the NORMAL AVERAGE JOE could fly then I don't see any reason why he wouldn't have proven it to Randi though, I will give you that.......
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Edited by leery11 (03/29/06 09:46 PM)
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