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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: I feel Despair [Re: Deviate]
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Deviate said:
obviously people who believe in God do not believe consciousness ends at death.


So you're saying that the hypothetical sinners will be punished for their actions after death, and that's how their decision to live a life of evil will catch up to them? But just a moment ago, you said that "God is Love," so how is there room for punishment in love? Why should one have to answer to God for one's sins if we are indeed his creation?

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Re: I feel Despair [Re: it stars saddam]
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is spitting into the wind punishment when the spit hits you?

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Re: I feel Despair [Re: Deviate]
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Deviate said:
is spitting into the wind punishment when the spit hits you?


No. Wind also doesn't exist after death.

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Re: I feel Despair [Re: it stars saddam]
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it doesn't?

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Re: I feel Despair [Re: Deviate]
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Deviate said:
it doesn't?


All evidence would suggest otherwise, but I suppose you're right, I need to consider the possibility that after death we are magically transported to another universe exactly like our own with the same weather features. With that said, there is nothing that seems to make that possibility anymore probable than any other random guess. Now stop avoiding my questions with metaphors.

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Re: I feel Despair [Re: it stars saddam]
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itstarssaddam said:
So you're saying that the hypothetical sinners will be punished for their actions after death, and that's how their decision to live a life of evil will catch up to them? But just a moment ago, you said that "God is Love," so how is there room for punishment in love? Why should one have to answer to God for one's sins if we are indeed his creation?


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Re: I feel Despair [Re: it stars saddam]
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my point is simply that there is a cause and affect relationship between our actions and the consequences that follow and some people believe that it is not interrupted by death (see karma).

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Re: I feel Despair [Re: Deviate]
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Everything comes back to fuck with you in the end, ESPECIALLY good deeds. Now I just stare into the sun, and I see everything I've done
I think I could have been someone, but I can't stop what has begun.


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Give your money or your life
Take 'em both for all I care
Dump your bullets right here

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Re: I feel Despair [Re: justAkid]
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You're gonna have to let go of the 'Old-Bearded-Guy-in-the-Sky' notion of God and redefine God (which is to say, redefine Ultimate Reality). You have a lot of psychological material to clear before you tackle metaphysical concerns. Sorry to hear about your Mom's condition, but there is no one to blame for the imperfections of creation. If creation were perfect, it would be God and there would be no creation.


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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Re: I feel Despair [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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Quote:
You're gonna have to let go of the 'Old-Bearded-Guy-in-the-Sky' notion of God and redefine God (which is to say, redefine Ultimate Reality). You have a lot of psychological material to clear before you tackle metaphysical concerns. Sorry to hear about your Mom's condition, but there is no one to blame for the imperfections of creation. If creation were perfect, it would be God and there would be no creation.


My conceptions of God may not represent the Reality, but I feel like they are pretty damn close. My original post may sound like I place God as a person, but I don't think I do. I don't see Justice in this world. Maybe I see God in Love, in Awareness. Then I look for Justice and I find pain where it seems there shouldn't be. If I find Justice it seems arbitrary.

So if I can't see Justice I can't regard all these other good as good/God because there is no Justice. If Justice is not a part of good /God, then I don't see God.

Just a sidenote: If I see pain where it is deserved I see Justice. Pain is acceptable, but inJustice is not.


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Trust thyself.

Edited by justAkid (03/06/06 09:41 PM)

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