BlueCoyote said:

So I keep my birthright and thank g*d, that I am not invented by any human and am no property myself to anybody, except myself and g*d.

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The simplest view on that is, as I said before, too, the perspective of most native cultures who live in harmony with nature. Haven't you occupied yourself with that ?

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What is "living in harmony with nature"? Nature is an interdependant system of interaction of an environment. It would seem that anything that occurs is nature.

If anything, the ultimate inspiration for one to live in "harmony with nature" is to have a sense of ownership, to identify yourself with it, as an aspect of oneself and oneself being an aspect of it.

Is the concept of ownership anything more than an abstraction that we have created for ourselves? Not anymore than this "natural birth-right" you allude to is anything more than our own assertion as well.


Peace.

BlueCoyote said:

Only because some man invents some bullshit concepts about property over natural resources, what makes it impossible to me to get my support from nature directly should support agreement on that concept ? Forget it.

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Its more possible without as much effort to sustain a life from whatever means of access to resources one has in this day and age than it ever was before now. Before man had created some "bullshit" concept of ownership, you would be handed a stick with a sharpened end and would be expected to assist in murdering an animal sixty-six times the weight of oneself. Is this what you refer to when you mention directly supporting oneself off of natural resources?

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I am here, nobody asked me, if I will follow some previously invented concepts and laws. I will do follow those, who I think are right for me, too, and I will always battle those, which were imposed upon me and to which I am not in acceptance.

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I am here, and nobody asked me if I wished to be thrust into a situation where I must actively support my life, which is a fragile concept that can, at any time, be taken away.

I understand the fact that we have a right to bring change to the aspects of reality that effect us, but yet you are rather unclear as to exactly which is unjust that is inflicted upon you, and what it is that you seek to bring forth.

I realize this isn't what we were originally discussing, but I'll go with the flow and continue to pursue any discussion that might possibly be allowed to result.

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This is my natural birth right, for example.

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What is? The ability to create change?


Peace.

Xris said:

If it's yours, it's yours.  The more money, property you have, the more properous you are.  It's all about attracting and keeping a mate.

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I disagree. Our human nature is that we can create for ourselves any motivation for our actions or any manner in which we wish to represent reality. Money as a resource of effort and ownership of land are means by which to fufill the necessities for continued life, which subsequently yields forth the realm of our experience.  I do not seek to own land some day as a means to attract or to keep a mate, but to have an environment in which I can cultivate my physical surroundings in order to facilitate my mental landscapes.


Peace.

BlueCoyote said:

And I said... why it is against nature.

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In actuality, you have not demonstrated how the sense of ownership is agansit nature. In fact, this is the claim that has repeatedly been questioned and said questions ignored.


Peace.