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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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The non-indulgence in any of the seven sins progresses one spiritually.

I know this, but yet I see contradiction. Lust and Pride being the two. I am not a womanizer, but I do enjoy being single and having a smorgsboard selection of booty calls, and being with different girls. By getting with a girl I become a happier, more forgiving, more positive person. If I dont get pussy, Im usually bitter and pissed off. So there is a positive + negative = positive contradiction, definetly not the first on in the Bible.

Pride to me always meant having balls to what you say. Staying true to your beliefs no matter what circumstances.

Without going into personal anecdotes, Lust and Pride has helped me become a more happier, stable person. As a Christian though, I dont feel this bothering me. Paradoxes are all abound throughout spirituality.


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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: Fospher]
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The non-indulgence in any of the seven sins progresses one spiritually.

I know this, but yet I see contradiction. Lust and Pride being the two.

But you gave examples of lust and pride in your life that are not extreme irrationals. They do not cause disruptance or disbalance in your life - rather they are efficacious to yourself. If you understand that the seven deadlies is simply a record of the common traits in human nature that must be disciplined and monitored - rather than rejected and denied out of some ridiculous austerity, you will find that no such contradictions need be.




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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
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SkorpivoMusterion said:
But you gave examples of lust and pride in your life that are not extreme irrationals. They do not cause disruptance or disbalance in your life - rather they are efficacious to yourself. If you understand that the seven deadlies is simply a record of the common traits in human nature that must be disciplined and monitored - rather than rejected and denied out of some ridiculous austerity, you will find that no such contradictions need be.


Oh? Well, how much poo-nan is too much poo-nan? Where do you draw the line in being Proud and too Proud?


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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: Fospher]
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I specifically worded "your life".."yourself". This is because what causes or does not cause disruptance in one's life is relative to that person's unique life - therefore, that individual is to judge to the best of his/her ability the course of actions. Their own life is the standard of evaluation.




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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
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Skorp is speaking for me on this one.

A person knows when they have moved into an extreme behavior that takes "addictive" control over a facet of their life (even if they won't always admit it it like and alcoholic in denial).

I ran through the list reflecting it upon my life and came up with my addiction to Diet Dr. Pepper. I always have one cracked open. If I run out, a mild panic can actually set in and I am at the store buying more within hours of running out. THAT is an example of where something has turned into an extreme of excess that has control over me.

The relative part to my life is that, I don't like realizing that. I have no problem with the idea of drinking it in moderation and if I were able to take it or leave it easily. That is not the case however. The reality is that the shit has me whipped.

A weird thing happened since I posted this. I just started drinking a lot less and started choosing alternatives. Keeping hydrated is a healthy thing to do so always having a beverage available isn't a problem issue to me. I should be able to feel okay and comfortable with just water as an option.

The sloth mode with the laundry isn't a problem issue yet. Hampers get full and it gets done. I just go into slow mode doing it treating it as a drudgery. If it got to an extreme, dirty laundry would be piled up sky high and my family would have no clean clothes. This one I can make an attitude adjustment with so that an extreme of slothlike bahavior regarding it never manifests.

Lust and Pride were brought up in general-

Lust becomes a problem for people who are admitted sexaholics or addicted to porn to such an extreme, marriages and relationships and even jobs or careers crumble over the addiction. Shopaholics fall under lust for the material and end up in deep financial trouble.

Pride taken to an addictive extreme of excess just robs people of living. Such prideful people simply can not accept the help or generosity of others. If it gets to a point when people suffer in silence before they can just ask for help, or live deprived of things they would enjoy because they can not accept generosity, thats just dumb ineffective living. 

I have an aunt and uncle who live like paupers squeezing every penny. They even keep the thermostat set at 55 in a Chicago Winter, when they could be living large. They made a lot of sacrifices to raise 7 VERY successful children who are doing VERY VERY VERY well for themselves and their children want to help buff them out in their retirement years and they will accept NOTHING from them and all because of ego PRIDE.

Then there are those with prideful egos that must always be RIGHT. Wars are started over the ego need to be right. Pride taken to an extreme is just ugly stuff.

Regarding overcoming either, a turn to the spiritual can help extremems of lusting after the material and some healty doses of humble pie can help to overcome, ego pride extremes.

I call the seven deadlies the seven dummies.

Like I said in the first post, I put it up for members to reflect upon their own lives and thought maybe, some would be moved to reflect their own lives upon it and may identify some areas where they fell into an addictive extreme not working to the best of their peace, ease and comfort in life.

I wanted for this to turn into a beneficial post of people sharing experiences of how they overcame falling into an extreme dummy behavior.  :thumbup:

:peace: :heart:


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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
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SkorpivoMusterion said:
I specifically worded "your life".."yourself". This is because what causes or does not cause disruptance in one's life is relative to that person's unique life - therefore, that individual is to judge to the best of his/her ability the course of actions. Their own life is the standard of evaluation.




How can you decide if something is relative or not if you're making a decision on yourself, yourself? You'd have nothing to compare to, besides views that may be blown out of proportion or neglected.

You're saying that humans know best when they have a problem. What do you think most non-treated alcoholics say when asked if they have a problem? We can only discipline ourselves by functioning on external input from others.


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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: Fospher]
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We have our own past behavior to compare current behavior too. If in the past one never drank, they have that experience to compare their current out of control drinking too.

Thats why I say that using reflection is KEY if one is to use the list to reflect on where they may have fallen from grace (which is nothing more then just an ease and comfort of being) This doesn't have to have a thing to do with religion or sin. It can be used in a very modern , practical , matter of fact medium.

Most people have a past to reflect upon where they once had self management control over a certain extreme behavior/addiction before hey lost it and it took control over them.

That's where the relativity comes into play.

I'm all for improving upons ones own best. I am not in support of comparing the self to others EVER. That in itself can become a great cause of suffering as the dummy of envy can come along and cause a fall.

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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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Most that have a problem are looking in funny mirrors, they see themselves as they want to see themselves, even if you're not ill you're rarely seeing your true reflection.

With people drinking, they think they have not changed from their past behaviour, and are still in stable condition, and it takes an outsider to alert them of their psychological deteriation. If people could always see the problem for themselves without any help, any kinds of therapists would been out on the street.

And I did not say that you should compare yourself to others, but getting advice can often be the only solution to bettering oneself.


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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: Fospher]
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I know you didn't say anything about comparing yourself to others to see if you have an extreme behavior problem that caused a fall from ease and comfort (general good well being)

I mentioned it in case someone else uses it as a solution.

Like what good would it be if my husband said, "Most people and myself are not addicted to Diet Dr. Pepper. You have a problem." Being different is not evidence of a problem. Life becoming il at ease without the fix is self evident though.

Perhaps we should change examples to get where you want to go as alcoholics didn't start off with uncontrollable drinking problems as toddlers.

Take the gluttony one of over eating. A kid raised for his comfort zone to be one of shoving his face, will feel il at ease without a pound of bacon dozen eggs and a loaf of bread for break fast. As an adult, he would have nothing to compare that too as its all he has ever known.

However, the problems of morbid obesity correlated with the fall from grace (out of ease and comfort of living) will be self evident. A morbidly Obese person, does not in comfort and ease of living.

Really, that is the only marker we need to see if one of the seven dummies has under its thumb. Anywhere or life feels il at ease should be a sing one of them has a hold on us.

The purpose I would like for this thread to serve is people sharing tips and tricks for overcoming that hold and moving back into the grace of ease and comfortable living. 

I would share more myself, but have few to use as a referencing example. My life is pretty darn easy and comfortable.

Do it yourselfer pride has always plagued me out of necessity or ego arrogance crap. Now, I can afford to pay people to do stuff for me and it's nver been hard for me to enlist the help of others when I want to. That messes with my stupid pride. I still  find myself struggling with do it yourself pride now and again and its just DUMB.

Discussing that with someone is what led me to post this. My freaking pride issues leave it hard for me to ask for help often at times as well as just doing stuff I feel is drudgery. Often, I don;t pay people because I can do a BETTER job myself. That all makes me such a slave to life sometimes. I only make life HARDER and less comfortable for myself when do it yourselfer pride rears its ugly head.

Little by little I have been over coming it with lots of humble pie. The ironic thing I keep discovering is, how much MORE empowered I feel when in a humble place. I use to think my pride is where my power to effect graceful living came from. Dumb dumb dumb. It's only robbed me of the graceful sort that rocks.

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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: Deviate]
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Deviate said:
how is sloth not a natural reaction ravus? the purpose behind this list is obviously to purify the mind, not to help you survive. if you are not interested in purifying your mind then there is no sense in you paying attention to such lists.




I didn't say that sloth wasn't natural, only that it is detrimental to your survival because it slows you down and makes you more vulnerable. Sloth often seems to be a symptom of a deeper cause, such as a sickness, lack of the necessities in life or, as we especially see with humans, mental softness. Therefore, sloth should be avoided naturally, and in fact it will be avoided naturally, either by natural selection or the survival instinct.

Everything in moderation. And what determines moderation besides the survival of those who live through moderation well enough? We sometimes forget that our very nature is to be encouraged by natural feelings; when our body is running low on food, we don't have to consciously think about getting more, but simply feel the pains of hunger. Likewise, some of these "seven deadly sins" are simply natural feelings that are meant to guide some animals in certain situations. Wolves who envy the killing of a bear will use their pack nature to outnumber and tire the bear until their initial envy ends with success.

Humans are the same in many ways as other animals, and we cannot deny the usefulness of the some of these "deadly sins."


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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: Deviate]
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:lol:

I didn't mean to cause a fuss. I was just throwing it out there. I wasn't attacking the 10 Commandments, and "arbitrarily" may have been a bit strong.

I'm fine with my impure mind anyways. :grin:

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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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gettinjiggywithit said:
Discussing that with someone is what led me to post this. My freaking pride issues leave it hard for me to ask for help often at times as well as just doing stuff I feel is drudgery. Often, I don;t pay people because I can do a BETTER job myself. That all makes me such a slave to life sometimes. I only make life HARDER and less comfortable for myself when do it yourselfer pride rears its ugly head.


That's your negative personality trait?! Hahaha, take no offense, but you're such a goody two shoes! :lol:

Your "McGuyverism" in my eyes is only a sense of optimism, saying something is "broken" and calling a professional without first seeing if you can fix it yourself is laziness (sloth) at it's best.

I can definetly relate ... whenever it comes to any electronics, I will spend countless nights meddling over a piece of hardware with a screwdiver before I waste all my money on a computer shop. Even if I won the lottery I'd still do it, just for the principle.


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