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InvisibleSclorch
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Re: Dead for an hour and a half-full report [Re: In(di)go]
    #922539 - 10/01/02 02:04 PM (19 years, 1 day ago)

Appeal to common practice... pseudoreasoning.


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Re: Dead for an hour and a half-full report [Re: In(di)go]
    #1244262 - 01/23/03 09:42 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

The 'universe approaches 0' thread reminded me of this story, but I didn't know where it was posted.
I did a search in the forum for the word "Yuga" and, well.... it's long, but a fun read  :wink:     


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Re: Dead for an hour and a half-full report [Re: dee_N_ae]
    #1244358 - 01/23/03 10:34 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks for the bump Dee Nae...I've only been around here for about a month!!!

:laugh:  It's an interesting read!!! 


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Re: Dead for an hour and a half-full report [Re: ]
    #1244481 - 01/24/03 12:16 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

"To me this says that he has a lot of emotional/mental problems which became evident when he had his NDE and the conclusions he drew from it."

Of course he had problems. Without problems you dont have solutions. Crisis is opportunity etc.

"He had become, "increasingly despondent over the ecological crisis"??? Please."

Yeah what a stupid thing to get excited about. He admits he went overboard. Its not like he is in denial. Its just a small part of the story.

" don't want to hurt anybody's feelings or disabuse them of their misguided notions but I felt this needed to be addressed."

As far as I can see you havent really said much and the little you have said you have tried to dress up as unrefutable truth....again.

For my part, I really enjoyed reading this. Whether the guy was deluded or not I dont know and to be honest I dont care but my intuition is that the guy definitely had an amazing experience which he seems to have partially transmitted through this piece of writing.

Thanks for posting Amanita

PEACE


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Re: Dead for an hour and a half-full report [Re: ShrewDigsby]
    #1244525 - 01/24/03 01:06 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

You're welcome!


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Re: Dead for an hour and a half-full report [Re: In(di)go]
    #1245272 - 01/24/03 08:38 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I read every word and it is just so cool that two people who have never met or ever had any contact whatsoever came up with similar experiences and IDENTICAL opinions!

Make it 4.  :grin:


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Re: Dead for an hour and a half-full report [Re: Murex]
    #1245638 - 01/24/03 10:59 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

The experiences were similar because our brain chemistry and wiring is very similar.

I find it interesting that some of these people have had the secrets of the universe revealed to them, yet cannot come back with some new fact that was later shown to be true and unknowable in any other way. Instead we get flowery descriptions of love, light, the void and the interconnectedness of all beings which is fine and makes us feel good, but adds nothing to the general body of human knowledge.

It is like McKenna having amazing mushroom insights then being unable to either keep his precious relationship together or to avoid the pain of the break-up.

Real knowledge should have real applications.



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Re: Dead for an hour and a half-full report [Re: ]
    #1245800 - 01/24/03 12:04 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

My Mushrooms, sorry, I dont see how being passionate about environmental issues and nuclear threat and wanting to reverse the current situation makes you crazy. It has got worse, and I can also see how hopelessness could set in. Is this opinion or do you have another basis for your arguement? You seem to be saying that your Vietnam friend was unrealistically gloomy about Vietnam and were comparing it to this NDE fellow but you can't make a diagnosis of eg. depression that way. We can all find something depressing without being clinically depressed. And if the person did suffer depression, people have episosdes and are normal inbetween them (12% of women 7% of men including many famous and reputable people) and it certainly doesnt mean that everything they do and say are crazy!.

This NDE shares common elements with other NDE including seeing the bodyfrom above, traveling toward of ligh/godt,communicating with the light, overwhelming sense of love and joy etc, and attainment of knowledge.


Edited by Eno_ (01/24/03 02:14 PM)


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Re: Dead for an hour and a half-full report [Re: Swami]
    #1245818 - 01/24/03 12:12 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I dont know about other people but I was benefited by that knowledge. The notion that you should do what makes you happy and that intelligence does'nt matter was helpful. That makes me more determined to do what makes me happy. I work part time as an artist although I am finishing my third degree out of whch I could make a career). Other NDEs I have read have come back with the message that working for the group happiness as well as your own is imporant which has inspired me to be more group interested.


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Re: Dead for an hour and a half-full report [Re: ]
    #1246109 - 01/24/03 02:49 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Don't take this the wrong way but I think the guy is a certifiable nut case.

I don't see how a certifiable nut case could write something so beautiful. This guy went from feeling like shit, and dying, to a healed happy human being filled with love. Heck, I wish I was "certified"  :tongue:

Even if the whole story was complete fiction, it is still a wonderful read.


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InvisibleArmFromTheAbyss
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Re: Dead for an hour and a half-full report [Re: ]
    #1246334 - 01/24/03 04:18 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Well written, and thanks for posting


Quote:

Don't take this the wrong way but I think the guy is a certifiable nut case./quote]

Are you sure you read the entire post? Because if you did, you'd realize that that's the entire point, that he lived a negative life prior, and now lives a positive life.

This post reinforces my belief that all of time is just one instant, one flash, all at the same time and place.



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InvisibleSwami
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Re: Dead for an hour and a half-full report [Re: ]
    #1246616 - 01/24/03 05:47 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I dont know about other people but I was benefited by that knowledge.
A story does not necessarily equate to knowledge.

The notion that you should do what makes you happy
Pardon my facetiousness, but is that REALLY a revelation to you? Prior to this, you strove for things that would make you unhappy?

...and that intelligence does'nt matter was helpful.
Of course intelligence matters! It just happens to be one factor of many.


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Re: Dead for an hour and a half-full report [Re: Swami]
    #1246679 - 01/24/03 06:08 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Well, you see, art does'nt make you much money even if you are moderately successful. So I could work five days a week, as I am pressured to by my parents, or I could be stubborn and continue to practice my art part time. Anyway how do you know if I was benefited or not?!!


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Re: Dead for an hour and a half-full report [Re: Swami]
    #1247330 - 01/25/03 07:24 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Real knowledge should have real applications.




The only application of "knowledge" in this case, if there is to be any at all, is in YOUR THOUGHTS.

What do you want, a box with a viewfinder that with the push of a button allows us to create and witness entire universes blinking in and out of existence?  :wink:

The guy was dead and lived to tell about it.
People like to hear the story of what he "saw". 
Nowhere does he say "This is the way it really is because that's how I saw it when I was dead." 

It's a fantastic story and I regard it as such, nothing more.   


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Re: Dead for an hour and a half-full report [Re: chodamunky]
    #1247443 - 01/25/03 08:30 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Don't take this the wrong way but I think the guy is a certifiable nut case.

I don't see how a certifiable nut case could write something so beautiful. This guy went from feeling like shit, and dying, to a healed happy human being filled with love. Heck, I wish I was "certified"  :tongue:

Even if the whole story was complete fiction, it is still a wonderful read. 




Think Van Gogh. 


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Invisiblechodamunky
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Re: Dead for an hour and a half-full report [Re: ]
    #1248539 - 01/25/03 05:27 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

lol Van Gogh? I'm not familiar with his life story, maybe you could explain what point you are trying to make. Although I do know he painted a lot of naked people doing weird things  :ooo:


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Re: Dead for an hour and a half-full report [Re: Swami]
    #1248804 - 01/25/03 07:13 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Real Knowlede should have real applications.

The flowery descriptions of light and love cannot simply have a "proof" application.  The connectedness is through consciousness and what makes who we are rather than what.  We cannot measure these "fantasy realities" or "the higher connectedness" because it is through oneself.  Until science can discover ways to read thoughts, we cannot measure the connectedness.

Instead we get flowery descriptions of love, light, the void and the interconnectedness of all beings which is fine and makes us feel good, but adds nothing to the general body of human knowledge

Oh but it does add something to the general body of human knowledge -  DESIRE.  Desire is inside us all, and the "secrets of the universe revealed" cannot be explained in words for the personal discoveries cannot put words to things that haven't been learned about.  The reason explanation does not occur is because the secrets are told, yet not in a comminicable understanding. 
This is what fuels the desire for knowledge.  The desire to find the data to verify the knowledge.  The point to share these experiences is to hope people can learn from it to garner their own such experiences.

Some people (such as yourself based on your reply) rely on scientific data rather than faith.  But if there were no faith, then there would be no scientific data.  What else would cause someone to experiment continuously searching for a cure for cancer, aids, or searching for fantasy realms.  Until a faith is DISPROVEN, it can equal any scientific data on a personal level.


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Re: Dead for an hour and a half-full report [Re: chodamunky]
    #1248855 - 01/25/03 07:32 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Nah, Van Gogh painted self-portraits and landscapes and still lifes and stuff. He was bipolar and cut off his ear. Some people think lead poisoning was the cause of his mental disturbance and not bipolar. He used to lick his paint brushes and the paint was full of lead - rags were pretty expensive in those days. They reckon that could explain why he painted halos around lights as in "starry starry night" (people see halos with lead poisening). You might have seen that one. I don't know much about his behaviour, etc, otherwise, except that he cut off his ear. I don't see the comparison or the point either. But anyway..........


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Re: Dead for an hour and a half-full report [Re: amanita3]
    #1249180 - 01/26/03 12:42 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

i feel i've known this all my life. i even know whats beyond the void, but it dpesnt matter, all that matters is this instant, so i'm not gunna ruin the instant by continueing this argument.


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Re: Dead for an hour and a half-full report [Re: amanita3]
    #1249473 - 01/26/03 06:49 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I really thank you so much for this post... it was very helpful for me in this particular moment... it reminded me of a lot of things I've forgotten...

For everyone that liked this post, please read "Conversation with God" by Neale Donald Walsch... it explains other details about this view of the universe. I know that it may sound a lot "new age" for the most... for who applyes an extreme rational criticism to everything is not suitable. To read it you need to stop thinking about it and just let your heart listen to this "truths"... I think it really can make you feel better about your life.

Peace,

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