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The Seven Deadlies
#5334901 - 02/24/06 01:30 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Pride is excessive belief in one's own abilities, that interferes with the individual's recognition of the grace of God. It has been called the sin from which all others arise. Pride is also known as Vanity.
Envy is the desire for others' traits, status, abilities, or situation.
Gluttony is an inordinate desire to consume more than that which one requires.
Lust is an inordinate craving for the pleasures of the body.
Anger is manifested in the individual who spurns love and opts instead for fury. It is also known as Wrath.
Greed is the desire for material wealth or gain, ignoring the realm of the spiritual. It is also called Avarice or Covetousness.
Sloth is the avoidance of physical or spiritual work.
Chatting with someone about working to completely lick an old " do it yourselfer pride" and letting go to allow grace to take over and becoming more comfortable in the zone of grace, I got to thinking about all of the seven deadlies.
I thought it might be interesting to post them all for any reader to review and examine, which ones they may be indulging in that may may be robbing them of more of their potential life.
I'd be interested to hear any stories relating to how you identified one as the root culprit holding you down and what you did to overcome it.
Any discussion on them would be interesting to look at.
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my problems are with gluttony(drugs), and lust(who doesnt have this problem?).
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I believe that greed is the root of them all.
Lust: Desire of the Flesh Gluttony: Desire of Excess Envy: Desire of Possessions Sloth: Desire of Avoidance Pride: Desire of Greatness Wrath: Desire of Revenge
They are all interrelated, all causal.
One is to have much less trouble combating them as a single entity, rather than isolating them and creating the illusion that they are all independent.
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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: spud]
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Nice observation/insight spud. You can even take greed down to a fear root of "lack beleifs that their is not enough to go around so hoard and take by any means when the gettings good."
The seven isolated I think helps for some people to recognize the derivatives of behaviors rooted in fear a little easier.
Thanks for sharing Blaze2. Lust seems to melt away when you start resonating and identifying more with your spirit self then your physical self. I just noticed that happen as a pleasant side effect when I started shifting more into spirit.
Gluttony, hmmmmm to bad that one didn't just drop away so easily. I definitely have ONE gluttonous vice that I drink in excess that I am physically addicted to not good for me, the dreaded Diet Dr. Pepper. I know I know how horrible that stuff is to the body and about aspartame. I'll work at shaking it this year. It's time.
I can't figure out what the fear root of that addiction to it is though. Water would suffice as a non caloric beverage. There's something about the sweetness of it I'm hooked on. I don;t do candy and prefer staying trim and slim. Maybe I have some dumb root fear that believes there isn't enough sweetness. 
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sloth is probably my biggest problem. and gluttony.
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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: leery11]
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Even though I dont follow the path from which this stems, I do agree that these are things to be avoided.
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I haven't drank a drop of soda in over a year. Then again, I'm not a fan of sweets at all so it wasn't to difficult to cut it out of my diet.
Perhaps your body lacks the proper sugar intake, so the behavior is manifesting through the consumption of a sugarless (mostly) product, thus never satisfying the need of sugar?
Iced tea with lemonade or iced tea with honey make great sweet beverage alternatives.
Usually, if you are craving a certain food group it is because you need some of the basic elements of that group. Carbs, sugar, sodium, hydration, etc.
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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: blaze2]
#5335946 - 02/24/06 08:12 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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blaze2 said: my problems are with gluttony(drugs), and lust(who doesnt have this problem?).
i don't. i overcame lust actually only a few weeks ago and it has not returned (feels so good to be without it by the way, like for the first time in years i can finally relax without being disturbed by sexual thoughts). originally i had thought lust would be the most difficult to overcome but instead i'm finding sloth far more difficult. i still put off doing homework far too often, in fact i am doing it right now. as soon as i do actually get my work done i find it an excuse to rest but my problem is once i get into "rest mode" i continually put off the entry back into work mode. can anyone offer any advice to help with this?
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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: spud]
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Interesting spud. Your analysis fits because, there is next to no sugar in my diet, except for what I get from some fruit or starch like in carrots.
Do our bodies need sugar or is it just a craving we pick up along the way because it tastes soooooooo good? Oh shit, wouldn't that fall into the lust category? Sugar makes me sleepy and feel sick. Honey sweetened tea was a good alternate suggestion. I'm going to give that a whirl! Thanks spud.
Fungusman, I'm not in line with the origin of the religious aspect of the seven deadlies myself, however, they do seem to work against our best interests for experiencing general good well being in life.
Deviate, thats a hard one. I would say 9 out of ten people shift into sloth mode when faced with an activity they just do not enjoy.
The spirit is all about joyful being and when you put into a suck task, it high tails it out of dodge and we are left without our vital energy source and become sloth like.
If anything, when we catch ourselves slothing it, it should be a sign to us that we are either doing or avoiding something not in line with our spirits joy.
Sometimes we have to like school work in subjects we have no personal interest in or in my case, the laundry is my nemesis that turns me into a sloth. All that time spent sorting, loading unloading, folding, ironing sorting, hanging just to see the same items crumpled up back in the hamper, repeat , repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat. It's a no wonder my spirit high tails out on me when faced with 3 loads every 4 days.
It's probably thinking, "you stupid humans, when are you going to live in the tropics free and naked already and screw formal acedemia, life is your school , go live the lessons exploring and dicovering what interests you." 
I wish I had an answer for you deviate. Make sure your school work will land you in a job you really enjoy. Perhaps use thoughts of that as some motivation incentive to get through it.
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Sloth is really tricky. I agree that most of the time our spirits are sensing this fundamental desire to live free and naked and not do silly work.
But yet I have come to realize that work is vital. If I never had anything to work on, I would be miserable. So theres some sort of line there...you should recognize that work is neccesary to create anything beautiful and meaningful, but you should also recognize that a lot of the work that the system puts pressure on you to do is totally pointless and just takes away precious time that you have on this earth.
Adults need work and play just as much as kids do. Both are vital.
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I used to think it was bullshit that lust was one of them, but I've come to see the sense in it. It's not that having sexual desires is wrong, but a life of hedonistic debauchery distracts one from God, and is ultimately unfulfilling. It causes one to "miss the mark"(sin) of what is truly important in life. I think the same can be said for all the others.
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In the last few weeks I've been going through a spiritual crisis. I was really attuned to the Seven Deadlies. My script was that we are all fallen angels, who have decided one way or another to move from the perfect grace and love that is God into separateness that is our Ego (Pride). All the suffering (fear, anxieties, grief, pain, etc.) we experience is rooted into this illusion of being separate from each other and from God.
More humble we are the closer we are to our true nature. More pride we put in ourselves and our Ego's the more we distance ourselves from God. Since our true nature is nothing but Love, Life tries to show us that through experiences we may interpreted as suffering. If one has hugely inflated Ego he identifies with as his true self, he will suffer when Life humiliates him and brakes him down. But the higher purpose of this suffering is to show the individual that he is not his Ego, but something much more. If one can let go and allow that to happen he will eventually realize that.
Stanislav Grof in his transpersonal psychology works has described this process really well. Then again, so did the Bible and other spiritual texts.
I feel it is wise to live with Seven Deadlies in mind and structure one's life accordingly.
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I have a small framed up copy of Hieronymus Bosch's 'The Seven Deadly Sins' hanging to the left of my votive table at home - as a reminder of attachments (thought I'd include this 'cause you said you liked these personal descriptions ) This Catholic 'mandala' reminds me of the Tibetan Buddhist Wheel of life which has the Pig, Snake and Rooster in the center, representing ignorance, lust and pride (in some translations). The four corners in Bosch's work show scenes of death, Heaven, Judgement and Hell. Christ is the Center of a large 'eye' with the inscription "Cave, cave, Dominus videt." - "Beware, Beware, God sees you."
It is interesting that the Western Catholic Church said that Lucifer and his angels fell from Blessedness due to Pride, and the Eastern Orthodox Church claimed that the sin was Lust (the Watchers or Fallen Angels in the Books of Enoch lusted after mortal woman, copulated with them and produced "giants," according to Genesis).
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Jiggy, yes, sugar is still the prime energy-supporter for our body (fast energy, citric acid cycle). After that there comes fat (slow energy, fat acid cycle). Proteins have almost no energy-value at all.
And to thread, what could I say ? I have a story for every of these deadlies, as, I think, everyone has
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i am guilty of all 7 in some form or another. but the two for me that i have real issues with are anger and pride. this world pisses me off, but not as much as i piss myself off. im really hard on myself, always expecting better. i am always struggling to live up to my own expectations.
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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: wrestler_az]
#5348637 - 02/28/06 09:06 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I believe that when you drink diet pop, your body "thinks" that it has an excess of sugar so it starts burning using more energy. Since you drank sugarless pop, you actually didn't get any sugar, so your body detects low levels of sugars and wants more (craving), so you keep drinking it even when you shouldn't really want any. I read this in a disinformation book, but I don't know if it pertains to aspartame. I'm sure some of my terminology is off, so don't take this as fact. Something to think about though.
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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: D4NK]
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Sugarless sugar doesn't make your body think it's consuming real sugar. If it did, every diabetic would be in deep shit
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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: Silversoul]
#5348956 - 02/28/06 11:29 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Paradigm said: I used to think it was bullshit that lust was one of them
I still do, though I don't care at all about how the Bible says I should live, so I'm not losing any sleep over it.
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Redstorm said: I am guilty of all seven, but it really doesn't bother me.
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itstarssaddam said: I still do, though I don't care at all about how the Bible says I should live, so I'm not losing any sleep over it.
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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: spud]
#5350216 - 02/28/06 04:39 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Aspartam or saccharin, one of them was (is) used for batten cattle to raise their appetite.
edit:Sorry, it was saccharin. And not cattle, it is pigs, but it works the same way with aspartam. If we taste something sweet, our body puts insulin into the blood to lower bloodsugar levels. If no suggar follows, level stays low and we become hungry.
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I don't necessarily think any of them besides gluttony and sloth should definitely be avoided. In terms of survival, both gluttony and sloth will slow you down and make you more vulnerable, but the others are entirely natural reactions that you're almost certain to have in the right circumstances.
Though taken the extremes, both pride and greed can either get you killed or kicked out of the pack, but c'est la vie.
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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: Ravus]
#5350461 - 02/28/06 05:59 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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how is sloth not a natural reaction ravus? the purpose behind this list is obviously to purify the mind, not to help you survive. if you are not interested in purifying your mind then there is no sense in you paying attention to such lists.
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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: Deviate]
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And the mind can't be purified other than through a list of acts to be avoided that was arbitrarily created by the Christian religion?
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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: Redstorm]
#5350832 - 02/28/06 08:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Redstorm said: And the mind can't be purified other than through a list of acts to be avoided that was arbitrarily created by the Christian religion?
What makes you think they're arbitrary?
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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: Silversoul]
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Their subjective nature.
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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: Redstorm]
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Redstorm said: And the mind can't be purified other than through a list of acts to be avoided that was arbitrarily created by the Christian religion?
someone makes a list of things which should be overcome to help people understand what it means to have a pure mind. does it follow that one MUST be in possesion of this list to purfiy their mind? of course not. is it truly that difficult to understand?
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itstarssaddam said: Their subjective nature.
that doesn't mean the list was "arbitrarily created".
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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: Deviate]
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itstarssaddam said: Their subjective nature.
that doesn't mean the list was "arbitrarily created".
To purport the subjective opinions of one person or one group of people as a sure-fire and universally effective way to purify the mind is arbitrary.
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1) that still doesn't mean the list was "arbitrarily created".
2) the list wasn't presented as a "sure-fire and universally effective way to purify the mind", it's not even formaly in the bible. why are you arbitrarily choosing to interpret it as the be all end all teaching on the purification of the mind?
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There were originally only six, lust was not one of them. It was added later by ugly women who were jealous of hot looking women. Men who were afraid of being totally cut off learned to agree with their wives. So sayeth The Lord.
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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: Deviate]
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the purpose behind this list is obviously to purify the mind, not to help you survive. if you are not interested in purifying your mind then there is no sense in you paying attention to such lists.
If by "purifying" the mind, you mean cleansing the mind of beliefs, notions and premises that are inefficacious because they are rooted in unreasonable bases and are incongruent with reality, then how could such a list not help one survive?
Beliefs described as such, only hinder one's survival at the lightest, and in heavier cases - typically stemming from a long growth of such beliefs that flourished in intellectual neglection, the cessation of one's survival.
The 7 deadly sins is essentially a 'map' devised by the wisdom of many wise men's observed and verified truths regarding interpersonal and intrapersonal matters. Its purpose is to serve as a basic guideline for us to follow - to remind us of what characteristics we have that -under intellectual neglection- will grow to the point of obstructing a clear, rational view - much like a grassy field in the absence of a consistent trimmer. It is irrational for a human to act like a wild, uncontrolled human with no aim - it undercuts a man's ability to survive.
Going back to the 7 deadly sins, I've noticed that there seems to be a common tendency [absent any further clarification made explicit] to take such a list as an extreme in itself. If I understand such a list correctly, the whole purpose is to warn humans of taking these mental states to their extremes, for it is only in their extremes that they cause suffering.
Take lust, for example. Surely, it is perfectly normal for me to have a healthy sexual appetite. But if my mind is undisciplined, or misdisciplined by faulty philosophical premises, and left unchecked, it will be a host of a sexual deviate, without a doubt.
Evident is it once more, that philosophy is a subject that ALL people need. Absent any rational philosophy, one remains lost in his own grassy field, and obstructed view that hinders his certainty in his path, confidence in his place and fear of what's beyond the weeds. And perhaps with a bloody tick or some lethal parasite.
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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: Deviate]
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Deviate said: 2) the list wasn't presented as a "sure-fire and universally effective way to purify the mind", it's not even formaly in the bible. why are you arbitrarily choosing to interpret it as the be all end all teaching on the purification of the mind?
I was just basing my comment off of these statements:
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Deviate said: the purpose behind this list is obviously to purify the mind
if you are not interested in purifying your mind then there is no sense in you paying attention to such lists.
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then how could such a list not help one survive?
it should help you survive but mere survival is not the focus of the list. to make analogy, say the list was a guide to building a fire, knowing how to build a fire should certainly help one survive but i wouldn't go as far as to say the purpose of the guide was to help one survive (even if this is true in the most general sense), id say the specific purpose was to help one learn to build a fire. because its quite possible to survive without knowing how to build a fire i think there is a disctinction here.
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Deviate said: 2) the list wasn't presented as a "sure-fire and universally effective way to purify the mind", it's not even formaly in the bible. why are you arbitrarily choosing to interpret it as the be all end all teaching on the purification of the mind?
I was just basing my comment off of these statements:
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Deviate said: the purpose behind this list is obviously to purify the mind
if you are not interested in purifying your mind then there is no sense in you paying attention to such lists.
i don't see what it was about those statements that prompted you think i was professing this list as some sort of ultimate teaching but if i gave that impression i apologize.
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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: Deviate]
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Deviate said: 2) the list wasn't presented as a "sure-fire and universally effective way to purify the mind", it's not even formaly in the bible. why are you arbitrarily choosing to interpret it as the be all end all teaching on the purification of the mind?
I was just basing my comment off of these statements:
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Deviate said: the purpose behind this list is obviously to purify the mind
if you are not interested in purifying your mind then there is no sense in you paying attention to such lists.
i don't see what it was about those statements that prompted you think i was professing this list as some sort of ultimate teaching but if i gave that impression i apologize.
No need to apologize. I don't know what the ultimate method for mind purification is, since it's not something I'm interested in, but I thought that when you said that the purpose of the list was to purify "the mind," you were referring to the human mind in general, and therefore claiming that the list was universally applicable.
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i was referring to the mind in general but i said nothing about the effectiveness , completeness or merit of this list , only what its purpose was. if you want i can say it this way "if you are interested in the subject of purfication of the mind, you may want to consult this ancient list of things which you should learn to control."
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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: Deviate]
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Deviate said: i said nothing about the effectiveness , completeness or merit of this list
You seemed to be defending it rather valiantly.
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perhaps i feel that is has some merit, however my personal feelings aside i stand by my statement about its purpose.
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The non-indulgence in any of the seven sins progresses one spiritually.
I know this, but yet I see contradiction. Lust and Pride being the two. I am not a womanizer, but I do enjoy being single and having a smorgsboard selection of booty calls, and being with different girls. By getting with a girl I become a happier, more forgiving, more positive person. If I dont get pussy, Im usually bitter and pissed off. So there is a positive + negative = positive contradiction, definetly not the first on in the Bible.
Pride to me always meant having balls to what you say. Staying true to your beliefs no matter what circumstances.
Without going into personal anecdotes, Lust and Pride has helped me become a more happier, stable person. As a Christian though, I dont feel this bothering me. Paradoxes are all abound throughout spirituality.
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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: Fospher]
#5352024 - 03/01/06 01:47 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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The non-indulgence in any of the seven sins progresses one spiritually.
I know this, but yet I see contradiction. Lust and Pride being the two.
But you gave examples of lust and pride in your life that are not extreme irrationals. They do not cause disruptance or disbalance in your life - rather they are efficacious to yourself. If you understand that the seven deadlies is simply a record of the common traits in human nature that must be disciplined and monitored - rather than rejected and denied out of some ridiculous austerity, you will find that no such contradictions need be.
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SkorpivoMusterion said: But you gave examples of lust and pride in your life that are not extreme irrationals. They do not cause disruptance or disbalance in your life - rather they are efficacious to yourself. If you understand that the seven deadlies is simply a record of the common traits in human nature that must be disciplined and monitored - rather than rejected and denied out of some ridiculous austerity, you will find that no such contradictions need be.
Oh? Well, how much poo-nan is too much poo-nan? Where do you draw the line in being Proud and too Proud?
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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: Fospher]
#5352442 - 03/01/06 06:29 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I specifically worded "your life".."yourself". This is because what causes or does not cause disruptance in one's life is relative to that person's unique life - therefore, that individual is to judge to the best of his/her ability the course of actions. Their own life is the standard of evaluation.
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Skorp is speaking for me on this one.
A person knows when they have moved into an extreme behavior that takes "addictive" control over a facet of their life (even if they won't always admit it it like and alcoholic in denial).
I ran through the list reflecting it upon my life and came up with my addiction to Diet Dr. Pepper. I always have one cracked open. If I run out, a mild panic can actually set in and I am at the store buying more within hours of running out. THAT is an example of where something has turned into an extreme of excess that has control over me.
The relative part to my life is that, I don't like realizing that. I have no problem with the idea of drinking it in moderation and if I were able to take it or leave it easily. That is not the case however. The reality is that the shit has me whipped.
A weird thing happened since I posted this. I just started drinking a lot less and started choosing alternatives. Keeping hydrated is a healthy thing to do so always having a beverage available isn't a problem issue to me. I should be able to feel okay and comfortable with just water as an option.
The sloth mode with the laundry isn't a problem issue yet. Hampers get full and it gets done. I just go into slow mode doing it treating it as a drudgery. If it got to an extreme, dirty laundry would be piled up sky high and my family would have no clean clothes. This one I can make an attitude adjustment with so that an extreme of slothlike bahavior regarding it never manifests.
Lust and Pride were brought up in general-
Lust becomes a problem for people who are admitted sexaholics or addicted to porn to such an extreme, marriages and relationships and even jobs or careers crumble over the addiction. Shopaholics fall under lust for the material and end up in deep financial trouble.
Pride taken to an addictive extreme of excess just robs people of living. Such prideful people simply can not accept the help or generosity of others. If it gets to a point when people suffer in silence before they can just ask for help, or live deprived of things they would enjoy because they can not accept generosity, thats just dumb ineffective living.
I have an aunt and uncle who live like paupers squeezing every penny. They even keep the thermostat set at 55 in a Chicago Winter, when they could be living large. They made a lot of sacrifices to raise 7 VERY successful children who are doing VERY VERY VERY well for themselves and their children want to help buff them out in their retirement years and they will accept NOTHING from them and all because of ego PRIDE.
Then there are those with prideful egos that must always be RIGHT. Wars are started over the ego need to be right. Pride taken to an extreme is just ugly stuff.
Regarding overcoming either, a turn to the spiritual can help extremems of lusting after the material and some healty doses of humble pie can help to overcome, ego pride extremes.
I call the seven deadlies the seven dummies.
Like I said in the first post, I put it up for members to reflect upon their own lives and thought maybe, some would be moved to reflect their own lives upon it and may identify some areas where they fell into an addictive extreme not working to the best of their peace, ease and comfort in life.
I wanted for this to turn into a beneficial post of people sharing experiences of how they overcame falling into an extreme dummy behavior. 
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SkorpivoMusterion said: I specifically worded "your life".."yourself". This is because what causes or does not cause disruptance in one's life is relative to that person's unique life - therefore, that individual is to judge to the best of his/her ability the course of actions. Their own life is the standard of evaluation.
How can you decide if something is relative or not if you're making a decision on yourself, yourself? You'd have nothing to compare to, besides views that may be blown out of proportion or neglected.
You're saying that humans know best when they have a problem. What do you think most non-treated alcoholics say when asked if they have a problem? We can only discipline ourselves by functioning on external input from others.
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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: Fospher]
#5353687 - 03/01/06 02:01 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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We have our own past behavior to compare current behavior too. If in the past one never drank, they have that experience to compare their current out of control drinking too.
Thats why I say that using reflection is KEY if one is to use the list to reflect on where they may have fallen from grace (which is nothing more then just an ease and comfort of being) This doesn't have to have a thing to do with religion or sin. It can be used in a very modern , practical , matter of fact medium.
Most people have a past to reflect upon where they once had self management control over a certain extreme behavior/addiction before hey lost it and it took control over them.
That's where the relativity comes into play.
I'm all for improving upons ones own best. I am not in support of comparing the self to others EVER. That in itself can become a great cause of suffering as the dummy of envy can come along and cause a fall.
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Most that have a problem are looking in funny mirrors, they see themselves as they want to see themselves, even if you're not ill you're rarely seeing your true reflection.
With people drinking, they think they have not changed from their past behaviour, and are still in stable condition, and it takes an outsider to alert them of their psychological deteriation. If people could always see the problem for themselves without any help, any kinds of therapists would been out on the street.
And I did not say that you should compare yourself to others, but getting advice can often be the only solution to bettering oneself.
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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: Fospher]
#5353830 - 03/01/06 02:56 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I know you didn't say anything about comparing yourself to others to see if you have an extreme behavior problem that caused a fall from ease and comfort (general good well being)
I mentioned it in case someone else uses it as a solution.
Like what good would it be if my husband said, "Most people and myself are not addicted to Diet Dr. Pepper. You have a problem." Being different is not evidence of a problem. Life becoming il at ease without the fix is self evident though.
Perhaps we should change examples to get where you want to go as alcoholics didn't start off with uncontrollable drinking problems as toddlers.
Take the gluttony one of over eating. A kid raised for his comfort zone to be one of shoving his face, will feel il at ease without a pound of bacon dozen eggs and a loaf of bread for break fast. As an adult, he would have nothing to compare that too as its all he has ever known.
However, the problems of morbid obesity correlated with the fall from grace (out of ease and comfort of living) will be self evident. A morbidly Obese person, does not in comfort and ease of living.
Really, that is the only marker we need to see if one of the seven dummies has under its thumb. Anywhere or life feels il at ease should be a sing one of them has a hold on us.
The purpose I would like for this thread to serve is people sharing tips and tricks for overcoming that hold and moving back into the grace of ease and comfortable living.
I would share more myself, but have few to use as a referencing example. My life is pretty darn easy and comfortable.
Do it yourselfer pride has always plagued me out of necessity or ego arrogance crap. Now, I can afford to pay people to do stuff for me and it's nver been hard for me to enlist the help of others when I want to. That messes with my stupid pride. I still find myself struggling with do it yourself pride now and again and its just DUMB.
Discussing that with someone is what led me to post this. My freaking pride issues leave it hard for me to ask for help often at times as well as just doing stuff I feel is drudgery. Often, I don;t pay people because I can do a BETTER job myself. That all makes me such a slave to life sometimes. I only make life HARDER and less comfortable for myself when do it yourselfer pride rears its ugly head.
Little by little I have been over coming it with lots of humble pie. The ironic thing I keep discovering is, how much MORE empowered I feel when in a humble place. I use to think my pride is where my power to effect graceful living came from. Dumb dumb dumb. It's only robbed me of the graceful sort that rocks.
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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: Deviate]
#5354358 - 03/01/06 05:56 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Deviate said: how is sloth not a natural reaction ravus? the purpose behind this list is obviously to purify the mind, not to help you survive. if you are not interested in purifying your mind then there is no sense in you paying attention to such lists.
I didn't say that sloth wasn't natural, only that it is detrimental to your survival because it slows you down and makes you more vulnerable. Sloth often seems to be a symptom of a deeper cause, such as a sickness, lack of the necessities in life or, as we especially see with humans, mental softness. Therefore, sloth should be avoided naturally, and in fact it will be avoided naturally, either by natural selection or the survival instinct.
Everything in moderation. And what determines moderation besides the survival of those who live through moderation well enough? We sometimes forget that our very nature is to be encouraged by natural feelings; when our body is running low on food, we don't have to consciously think about getting more, but simply feel the pains of hunger. Likewise, some of these "seven deadly sins" are simply natural feelings that are meant to guide some animals in certain situations. Wolves who envy the killing of a bear will use their pack nature to outnumber and tire the bear until their initial envy ends with success.
Humans are the same in many ways as other animals, and we cannot deny the usefulness of the some of these "deadly sins."
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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: Deviate]
#5355689 - 03/01/06 11:03 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I didn't mean to cause a fuss. I was just throwing it out there. I wasn't attacking the 10 Commandments, and "arbitrarily" may have been a bit strong.
I'm fine with my impure mind anyways.
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gettinjiggywithit said: Discussing that with someone is what led me to post this. My freaking pride issues leave it hard for me to ask for help often at times as well as just doing stuff I feel is drudgery. Often, I don;t pay people because I can do a BETTER job myself. That all makes me such a slave to life sometimes. I only make life HARDER and less comfortable for myself when do it yourselfer pride rears its ugly head.
That's your negative personality trait?! Hahaha, take no offense, but you're such a goody two shoes! 
Your "McGuyverism" in my eyes is only a sense of optimism, saying something is "broken" and calling a professional without first seeing if you can fix it yourself is laziness (sloth) at it's best.
I can definetly relate ... whenever it comes to any electronics, I will spend countless nights meddling over a piece of hardware with a screwdiver before I waste all my money on a computer shop. Even if I won the lottery I'd still do it, just for the principle.
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