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OfflineBlueCoyote
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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: spud]
    #5350216 - 02/28/06 04:39 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Aspartam or saccharin, one of them was (is) used for batten cattle to raise their appetite.

edit:Sorry, it was saccharin. And not cattle, it is pigs, but it works the same way with aspartam. If we taste something sweet, our body puts insulin into the blood to lower bloodsugar levels. If no suggar follows, level stays low and we become hungry.


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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5350232 - 02/28/06 04:46 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I don't necessarily think any of them besides gluttony and sloth should definitely be avoided. In terms of survival, both gluttony and sloth will slow you down and make you more vulnerable, but the others are entirely natural reactions that you're almost certain to have in the right circumstances.

Though taken the extremes, both pride and greed can either get you killed or kicked out of the pack, but c'est la vie.


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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: Ravus]
    #5350461 - 02/28/06 05:59 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

how is sloth not a natural reaction ravus? the purpose behind this list is obviously to purify the mind, not to help you survive. if you are not interested in purifying your mind then there is no sense in you paying attention to such lists.



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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: Deviate]
    #5350825 - 02/28/06 07:57 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

And the mind can't be purified other than through a list of acts to be avoided that was arbitrarily created by the Christian religion?


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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: Redstorm]
    #5350832 - 02/28/06 08:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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And the mind can't be purified other than through a list of acts to be avoided that was arbitrarily created by the Christian religion?



What makes you think they're arbitrary?


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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: Silversoul]
    #5350850 - 02/28/06 08:05 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Their subjective nature.


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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: Redstorm]
    #5350950 - 02/28/06 08:30 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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And the mind can't be purified other than through a list of acts to be avoided that was arbitrarily created by the Christian religion?




someone makes a list of things which should be overcome to help people understand what it means to have a pure mind. does it follow that one MUST be in possesion of this list to purfiy their mind? of course not. is it truly that difficult to understand?


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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: it stars saddam]
    #5350959 - 02/28/06 08:31 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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itstarssaddam said:
Their subjective nature.




that doesn't mean the list was "arbitrarily created".


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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: Deviate]
    #5351001 - 02/28/06 08:39 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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itstarssaddam said:
Their subjective nature.




that doesn't mean the list was "arbitrarily created".




To purport the subjective opinions of one person or one group of people as a sure-fire and universally effective way to purify the mind is arbitrary.


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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: it stars saddam]
    #5351041 - 02/28/06 08:47 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

1) that still doesn't mean the list was "arbitrarily created".

2) the list wasn't presented as a "sure-fire and universally effective way to purify the mind", it's not even formaly in the bible. why are you arbitrarily choosing to interpret it as the be all end all teaching on the purification of the mind?


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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5351112 - 02/28/06 09:02 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

There were originally only six, lust was not one of them. It was added later by ugly women who were jealous of hot looking women. Men who were afraid of being totally cut off learned to agree with their wives. So sayeth The Lord.


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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: Deviate]
    #5351136 - 02/28/06 09:10 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

the purpose behind this list is obviously to purify the mind, not to help you survive. if you are not interested in purifying your mind then there is no sense in you paying attention to such lists.

If by "purifying" the mind, you mean cleansing the mind of beliefs, notions and premises that are inefficacious because they are rooted in unreasonable bases and are incongruent with reality, then how could such a list not help one survive?

Beliefs described as such, only hinder one's survival at the lightest, and in heavier cases - typically stemming from a long growth of such beliefs that flourished in intellectual neglection, the cessation of one's survival.

The 7 deadly sins is essentially a 'map' devised by the wisdom of many wise men's observed and verified truths regarding interpersonal and intrapersonal matters. Its purpose is to serve as a basic guideline for us to follow - to remind us of what characteristics we have that -under intellectual neglection- will grow to the point of obstructing a clear, rational view - much like a grassy field in the absence of a consistent trimmer. It is irrational for a human to act like a wild, uncontrolled human with no aim - it undercuts a man's ability to survive.

Going back to the 7 deadly sins, I've noticed that there seems to be a common tendency [absent any further clarification made explicit] to take such a list as an extreme in itself. If I understand such a list correctly, the whole purpose is to warn humans of taking these mental states to their extremes, for it is only in their extremes that they cause suffering.

Take lust, for example. Surely, it is perfectly normal for me to have a healthy sexual appetite. But if my mind is undisciplined, or misdisciplined by faulty philosophical premises, and left unchecked, it will be a host of a sexual deviate, without a doubt.

Evident is it once more, that philosophy is a subject that ALL people need. Absent any rational philosophy, one remains lost in his own grassy field, and obstructed view that hinders his certainty in his path, confidence in his place and fear of what's beyond the weeds. And perhaps with a bloody tick or some lethal parasite.




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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: Deviate]
    #5351155 - 02/28/06 09:15 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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2) the list wasn't presented as a "sure-fire and universally effective way to purify the mind", it's not even formaly in the bible. why are you arbitrarily choosing to interpret it as the be all end all teaching on the purification of the mind?




I was just basing my comment off of these statements:

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Deviate said:
the purpose behind this list is obviously to purify the mind

if you are not interested in purifying your mind then there is no sense in you paying attention to such lists.




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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5351205 - 02/28/06 09:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Lust is deadly! In a good way.


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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #5351211 - 02/28/06 09:24 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

then how could such a list not help one survive?


it should help you survive but mere survival is not the focus of the list. to make analogy, say the list was a guide to building a fire, knowing how to build a fire should certainly help one survive but i wouldn't go as far as to say the purpose of the guide was to help one survive (even if this is true in the most general sense), id say the specific purpose was to help one learn to build a fire. because its quite possible to survive without knowing how to build a fire i think there is a disctinction here.


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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: it stars saddam]
    #5351287 - 02/28/06 09:36 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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itstarssaddam said:
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Deviate said:
2) the list wasn't presented as a "sure-fire and universally effective way to purify the mind", it's not even formaly in the bible. why are you arbitrarily choosing to interpret it as the be all end all teaching on the purification of the mind?




I was just basing my comment off of these statements:

Quote:

Deviate said:
the purpose behind this list is obviously to purify the mind

if you are not interested in purifying your mind then there is no sense in you paying attention to such lists.








i don't see what it was about those statements that prompted you think i was professing this list as some sort of ultimate teaching but if i gave that impression i apologize.


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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: Deviate]
    #5351354 - 02/28/06 09:49 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Deviate said:
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itstarssaddam said:
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Deviate said:
2) the list wasn't presented as a "sure-fire and universally effective way to purify the mind", it's not even formaly in the bible. why are you arbitrarily choosing to interpret it as the be all end all teaching on the purification of the mind?




I was just basing my comment off of these statements:

Quote:

Deviate said:
the purpose behind this list is obviously to purify the mind

if you are not interested in purifying your mind then there is no sense in you paying attention to such lists.








i don't see what it was about those statements that prompted you think i was professing this list as some sort of ultimate teaching but if i gave that impression i apologize.




No need to apologize. I don't know what the ultimate method for mind purification is, since it's not something I'm interested in, but I thought that when you said that the purpose of the list was to purify "the mind," you were referring to the human mind in general, and therefore claiming that the list was universally applicable.


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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: it stars saddam]
    #5351456 - 02/28/06 10:17 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

i was referring to the mind in general but i said nothing about the effectiveness , completeness or merit of this list , only what its purpose was. if you want i can say it this way "if you are interested in the subject of purfication of the mind, you may want to consult this ancient list of things which you should learn to control."


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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: Deviate]
    #5351474 - 02/28/06 10:22 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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i said nothing about the effectiveness , completeness or merit of this list




You seemed to be defending it rather valiantly.


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Re: The Seven Deadlies [Re: it stars saddam]
    #5351516 - 02/28/06 10:31 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

perhaps i feel that is has some merit, however my personal feelings aside i stand by my statement about its purpose.


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