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Re: Dead Dogs [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #4344557 - 06/27/05 09:20 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Nope they are not violent....but I would challenge you about zombies being "violent and psychotic". I tend to think that consuming living human flesh is just their nature. You are blinded by ethnocentrism...


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Re: Dead Dogs [Re: Icelander]
    #4344558 - 06/27/05 09:20 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

There's also some liquid involved... I imagine straight salt would be unpleasant.

That is... if you were alive and conscious during the procedure, which you obviously would not be.


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Re: Dead Dogs [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4344573 - 06/27/05 09:23 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Well, I was just trying to make a funny... kind of a wise-ass stereotype reference.

Of course, that is probably a sign that I'm subconsciously blinded by ethnocentrism...  :smirk:


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Re: Dead Dogs [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #4344576 - 06/27/05 09:23 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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When the dog comes back, are they violent and psychotic? Or just the same dog with the same personality?

Because they're really not zombies unless they're violent and psychotic. Not by my standards anyway...  :tongue:




Zombies are not really violent, only in movies perhapse, but I think they are a bit stunned, and if they have a hangover.
I'm refering to those poisoned people that those Voodoo idiots use as slaves


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Re: Dead Dogs [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4344584 - 06/27/05 09:25 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Zombies are not really violent, only in movies perhapse, but I think they are a bit stunned, and if they have a hangover.
I'm refering to those poisoned people that those Voodoo idiots use as slaves




Well, I'm referencing re-animated corpses. And last time I checked, they don't exist outside of the stereotypes of movies.

Except maybe the subject matter of this very thread...


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Re: Dead Dogs [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #4344630 - 06/27/05 09:35 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Well real zombies are not reanimated corpses. You probably heard about that old Voodoo practice when a guy that is good with chemistry and poisons, poisons a person, which renders it dead to the outside observer, their heartbeat is slowed down and and lifesigns are not detectable, so the person is proclaimed dead and burried. But the person is conscious all the time, in a half-dream state, but can't move or feel its body. Then later on, the witchdoctor (or whatever he is called) comes and burries the guy out, takes him somewhere and uses him as his slave. So nobody looks for the person anymore because he is proclaimed dead. Of course, that is not so often today because it is of course illegal, but there have been more recent cases where a person escapes and comes home, and of course everyone freaks out because they really thought he was dead.

There is another real-world meaning of the world Zombie

There are these wierd folks that learn to slown down their own metabolism some way, don't know the detail, and burry themselfs, I guess they fall in some sort of coma but they are alive, their body deteriorates, and then someone (with whom they had an agreement) burries them out a month later, and they look like walking dead people. I have no Idead why anyone would want to do that, but I've read a lot about it, there are even some pictures of these people how they look after it. It's amazing.


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Re: Dead Dogs [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4344633 - 06/27/05 09:37 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Fucked up... but very informative! Thanks for elaborating.  :smile:


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Re: Dead Dogs [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #4344638 - 06/27/05 09:38 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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There's also some liquid involved... I imagine straight salt would be unpleasant.

That is... if you were alive and conscious during the procedure, which you obviously would not be.




I also was making funny! :tongue: :grin:


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Re: Dead Dogs [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #4344639 - 06/27/05 09:39 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Oh yea, and I believe the second kind of Zombies that I've described are some wierd tribes that life in Africa, but I'm not so sure.

The first kind is Jamaica or some other island that has Voodoo tradition


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Re: Dead Dogs [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4344649 - 06/27/05 09:41 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

"The first kind is Jamaica or some other island that has Voodoo tradition"

Haiti


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Re: Dead Dogs [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4344652 - 06/27/05 09:42 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

yea, Thanks


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Re: Dead Dogs [Re: Icelander]
    #4344654 - 06/27/05 09:43 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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I also was making funny! :tongue: :grin:




Humor is on a roll in this thread...  :grin:


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Re: Dead Dogs [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4345098 - 06/28/05 12:05 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

hmm interesting

any link perchance?


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Re: Dead Dogs [Re: vampirism]
    #4345113 - 06/28/05 12:11 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

If you want to know about Haitian zombies read the excellant "The Serpent and the Rainbow" by Wade Davis. Datura and Blowfish poison are the primary toxins used.


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Re: Dead Dogs [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4345116 - 06/28/05 12:12 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

no, i mean the people who bury themselves and look like the living dead after a while.


i saw a documentary on the haitian zombies...


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Re: Dead Dogs [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4345278 - 06/28/05 01:03 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I wonder if you get a salty taste in your mouth after being revived...

The problem is there's no objective scientific way to test the afterlife. If, for example, near-death experiences all happen within a minute or two after death with severe distortion of time, and knowing that, to human perception, the lack of experience is not an experience, they would be revived and only speak of the ND experience they had. They wouldn't remember the utter blackness of nothingness, because all activity would've ceased so there'd be no way to perceive it subjectively.

So no, it wouldn't necessarily solve the issue of an afterlife. People would probably come back spouting the same NDEs we've heard over and over, and the believers would say it's absolute proof, and the disbelievers would use the above argument.


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Re: Dead Dogs [Re: Ravus]
    #4346052 - 06/28/05 06:52 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Interesting idea....if the brain is turned off there would be no storage medium for the memory...hadn't thought of that. It is a common misconception that the experieners of NDEs are dead, but they still have functional brains. With this procedure the brain is turned off completely. With what you said in mind there would not even be an NDE because the person would go from a state of life to death very quickly, and most likely while sedated.


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Re: Dead Dogs [Re: Ravus]
    #4346105 - 06/28/05 08:00 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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I wonder if you get a salty taste in your mouth after being revived...

The problem is there's no objective scientific way to test the afterlife. If, for example, near-death experiences all happen within a minute or two after death with severe distortion of time, and knowing that, to human perception, the lack of experience is not an experience, they would be revived and only speak of the ND experience they had. They wouldn't remember the utter blackness of nothingness, because all activity would've ceased so there'd be no way to perceive it subjectively.

So no, it wouldn't necessarily solve the issue of an afterlife. People would probably come back spouting the same NDEs we've heard over and over, and the believers would say it's absolute proof, and the disbelievers would use the above argument.




yea, that is what I was trying to point out


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Re: Dead Dogs [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4346511 - 06/28/05 01:18 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

How amazing. :thumbup:


But I agree with Veritas.. the picture of the dog looks like a scene from a horror movie... well, I guess it fits the zombific title.




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Re: Dead Dogs [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4346550 - 06/28/05 01:30 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

And now, I have something to think about for you, because I tend to something total different:
What if, if 'real eternity' has so much to do with time, that it is foreseeing your revival ?
What if this method will keep you away from 'paradise' ?

(I sound dull in english, but I write stories in german...that's one major plot of a story of mine, sigh)


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