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Re: Beginners Cultivation Forum [Re: MycoCat]
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I don't think there should be a beginner forum anymore. Just a beginners quiz :grin:. Usually I'm hard headed, but you have all made good points and i feel that things are good the way they are.


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[quote]KristiMidocean said:
Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]

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Re: Beginners Cultivation Forum [Re: agar]
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agar said:
>>>>>>It's good to have a mingling of skills because that's how people learn.<<<<<<<

First off - fresh newbies have little or no skills to contribute. So where exactly is the mingling?

This is meant to be constructive & I believe a division, so that the cultivation forums - can be - WILL.


Old Chinese proverb.

"To teach, is to learn twice."

:smile: :wink:

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Re: Beginners Cultivation Forum [Re: deanofmean]
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So what steps need to be taken in order for this to happen? I'm going to post the idea in the Website Announcements forum, but is there something more we can do?


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Re: Beginners Cultivation Forum [Re: MycoCat]
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MycoCat if you read the thread in WA&F you will notice that there are around 20 different, good suggestions for making this forum run smoother, and I think that this thread once again proves that things are NOT running smoothly.

Only ONE of these 20, is to split the forum. There are suggestions from the original thread which run the gambit from rewriting the FAQ's to making a video FAQ's to doing nothing at all. You should read it, and I don't blame you for not having read it. It should have stayed in the cult forum from the beginning.

Splitting the forum IMO has only gotten the most attention from the general readership because it is the best idea.

I am really starting to get sick of this mentality that by creating another forum that is more advanced than this one, that no one would help those in this forum anymore.

With that logic you are saying that the only reason anyone else helps the newer members with a question is here is because they are forced to by the fact that those questions are in there face all the time?

People are saying, - "if you don't like noob questions than simply ignore them", and then in the same breath they are saying, - "if a new forum were created it wouldn't be fair, because then everyone would ignore the noob questions." Well do we have a choice or not?

If there were another forum then someone would be forced to bone up in order to be taken seriously by the next level. Just the same way that I cannot hold my own in advanced mycology right now.

So if the beginners forum was nothing but 300 posts in a row about what shrooms will fuck me them up the fastest, so be it. At least when I have a question about agar I am not bumped in 30 seconds two page 2 because of them.

You wanna call that elitist, go right ahead.


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Re: Beginners Cultivation Forum [Re: MycoCat]
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learn to use the quick reply correctly, that is you're first step!

Then id run the idea by a mush cult moderator, and he will discuss it with the others, and they will come to a conclusion. Id help come up with questions.


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[quote]KristiMidocean said:
Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]

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Re: Beginners Cultivation Forum [Re: MycoCat]
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I think if there is a quiz, you should be made to type in your answer and not have a multiple choice. That would keep people from just going through and guessing then coming back and just try the next.


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"The answer is never the answer. What's really interesting is the mystery. If you seek the mystery instead of the answer, you'll always be seeking. I've never seen anybody really find the answer-- they think they have, so they stop thinking. But the job is to seek mystery, evoke mystery, plant a garden in which strange plants grow and mysteries bloom. The need for mystery is greater than the need for an answer."

-- Ken Kesey

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Re: Beginners Cultivation Forum [Re: Psychoslut]
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Common Psychoslut you know me I'm to lazy to discusst this crap with anybody but I'll post a link where this can be seen. :tongue:


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Re: Beginners Cultivation Forum [Re: kingfish4200]
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kingfish4200 said:
I think if there is a quiz, you should be made to type in your answer and not have a multiple choice. That would keep people from just going through and guessing then coming back and just try the next.


He he he...set it so they can only try once a month........I WISH!!!


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Re: Beginners Cultivation Forum [Re: Magash]
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This is what I just posted in Website Announcements. If you think there is a better solution than this, please enlighten me:

Instead of splitting the forums, we instead institute a one-time required quiz for posting. All forums could still be viewed, but a user could not post (at least in cultivation) until they exhibited the minimum required knowledge to do so. I would suggest the quiz be made up of a greater number of total questions with a smaller, random number to be asked. Something like 50 total questions, but 25 of those are randomly selected to avoid cheating or success through trial and error.

I believe this compromise should satisfy everyone that is tired of the repetitive nature of the cultivation posts or of the sometimes obvious apathy new users have towards doing their own research.

Please discuss.


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Re: Beginners Cultivation Forum [Re: MycoCat]
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By one-time quiz I mean you only have to take it once, not that you get only one chance.


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Re: Beginners Cultivation Forum [Re: deanofmean]
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I enjoy teaching & sheparding young guns through cultivation.
But, since 45% of the questions are something on the order of,

Okay, I got a bag of shit, what next?

Which shrooms should I grow to f**k me up the best?

How can I grow 50 lbs - QUICK?

How the hell are you going to teach them, those are stupid questions?


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Re: Beginners Cultivation Forum [Re: agar]
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:rofl:


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"The answer is never the answer. What's really interesting is the mystery. If you seek the mystery instead of the answer, you'll always be seeking. I've never seen anybody really find the answer-- they think they have, so they stop thinking. But the job is to seek mystery, evoke mystery, plant a garden in which strange plants grow and mysteries bloom. The need for mystery is greater than the need for an answer."

-- Ken Kesey

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Re: Beginners Cultivation Forum [Re: MycoCat]
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MycoCat said:
You know what? I can't wait until half the people that voted "yes" to the forum split suddenly find themselves banished to the beginner's forum and realize the extent of their decision.

And if not for the community, do it for Magash. His days and nights will be spent moving thread after thread so you folk won't have to be inconvenienced by the mere sight of them.


Dude, you need to calm down. In this thread you have accused others of being a drama queen, and then you say this?

I hardly think that poor magash is going to collapse at his computer, starving because his "days and nights" are taken up by moving threads.

Banished? Banished to the beginners forum? Harsh wording IMO. The concept of a three tiered system with HELL on the bottom is hardly what is being discussed.

You also said -

"I would also like to comment that the decision is being made about this forum split before a consensus on the specifics of what actually constitutes a beginner has been defined."

NOTHING has been defined, because NOTHING has been decided, at this point it is nothing more than a DISCUSSION from those who CARE about the shroomery, on DIFFERENT things that could be instituted to make things run smoother.

Take your own advice bud.

If this subject is making you "sick and disgusted" ...your words not mine, then simply "ignore it"... like you are telling others to do about the things that bother them. It's a bit hypocritical to give advice and then not follow it..


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Re: Beginners Cultivation Forum [Re: agar]
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Quote:
But, since 45% of the questions


Only 45%  Stop being so fucking nice Agar.  :tongue: :wink: :evil:

Yeah yeah yeah .... I'm stoned tonight  :bongload: :bouncysmoke:


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Re: Beginners Cultivation Forum [Re: kingfish4200]
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I would like some recent examples of all these retarded threads people keep mentioning.

Yes, they do happen, but not nearly at the frequency you're trying to make it seem like. I'd say for the sheer number of people who visit and access this site, the number of idiots is surprisingly low.

And, as much as you keep talking about it, no one has offered a practical solution yet except me. No one will even venture a guess as to what specific criteria would govern the different forums, though I've brought it up numerous times. You can't ignore that forever.


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Re: Beginners Cultivation Forum [Re: MycoCat]
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I think the test suggestion was a practical solution


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"The answer is never the answer. What's really interesting is the mystery. If you seek the mystery instead of the answer, you'll always be seeking. I've never seen anybody really find the answer-- they think they have, so they stop thinking. But the job is to seek mystery, evoke mystery, plant a garden in which strange plants grow and mysteries bloom. The need for mystery is greater than the need for an answer."

-- Ken Kesey

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Re: Beginners Cultivation Forum [Re: MycoCat]
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JMHO
Point Knewbies to the FAQ, for the first few dumb questions, then start turning their  threads into a flame fest.
This has always worked in the past, and i see no reason to change policies now.
Besides, flamefests are a lot of fun :evil:

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Re: Beginners Cultivation Forum [Re: kingfish4200]
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kingfish4200 said:
I think if there is a quiz, you should be made to type in your answer and not have a multiple choice. That would keep people from just going through and guessing then coming back and just try the next.


Ill assume that you will assume the responsibility of grading the dozens of quizes a week? It would have to be a simple multiple choice test. Just a test that will make people answer there own question. Just easy questions like...

What is the optimal temperature for pf jar incubation?
A. 100-150 degrees
B 40-50 degrees
C 80-86 degrees

What is the optimal RH for pf cakes?
A. 100
B. 30
C. 70

What is the fruiting temperature range for cubensis?
A. 74-78
B. 90-100
C. 30-50

How often should I fan a fruiting chamber?
A. 3-5 times a day
B. 1 time a day
C. never

What is a way to raise the humidity in a fruiting chamber?
A. moist perlite in the bottom
B. Misting.
C. By building a poor mans pod.
D. all of the above


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[quote]KristiMidocean said:
Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]

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Re: Beginners Cultivation Forum [Re: Hoss]
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Hoss said:
Jarrod, you have also asked some newbie-ish questions.


I am not denying it one bit. But I've since utilized my resources and haven't posted needing help in the cult forum since about 3 days after I registered. 50%+ of the noob questions in here are from people who asked either the same, or same type (info found everywhere on the site) more then once.

Sorry I'm saying "fuck helping out anymore" but shit people, I've learned everything I need to grow sucessfully in probably 10 diff ways by reading. And then reading some more. Oh, and more reading.

I have written a tek I keep in a mycology folder on my desktop that I follow. It is composed of recipes, processes, growth parameters, supplies I need, both tools and things needing replenished.

I've done this all after reading. I don't see what the fuck the problem is that some people CAN'T FUCKING READ.

I'm a highschool dropout. I've got my GED. I didn't pay one dam bit of attention in school, but I got my GED because I sat down with the textbooks provided to me and READ.

Obviously this is not an option for other people. Maybe it is, and they just choose not to. Either way, I'm done. Call it fucked up, call me selfish for learning what I needed and not passing it on.

Read my ratings. 5 shrooms all over the place for good advice and being knowledgable. If 800+ posts of advice isn't sharing what I know, (or at least enough for you) then feel free to take over.

I've tried really hard to give the best advice I can. Shortlived my presence in the cultivation forum, but I can't do it anymore.

Thanks to all of those who have taught me what I know
(Mostly: Agar, Hippiechick, FooManShroom, and anyone else I may have forgotten)

To those I have taught in return, goodluck.

To noobs who can't fucking read, fuck you.

And to those who think bad of me for leaving because of this ^^^

Fuck you too.

Once again thanks to those who have taught me and goodbye.

Jarrod~


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"All mushrooms are edible, but some only once."
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Re: Beginners Cultivation Forum [Re: Prajna]
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Well I was attempting to use a bit of hyperbole with that Magash statement, but I would admit I get slightly pissed about this. If you honestly think that a beginners forum would be helpful to beginners as you're pitching it now, you're on crack. No one is going to help them, because if they're out of sight, they're out of mind.

However, by actively trying to teach those beginners something (like maybe making them pass a quiz proving a minimum level of knowledge) we manage to actual fix the problem rather than ignore it.

So if you think I'm being a drama queen, that's fine, but I'd like to hear some constructive arguments from your side other than bitching about having to see stupid post titles.


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