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Physicists: "Reality is an illusion!"
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AT THE LIMITS OF MATTER, REALITY IS NOT A CERTAINTY ANYMORE



At the university of Constance last August, a large group of researchers consisting of physicists, theoreticians and philosophers known to be the world's best specialists on the behavior of matter at a microscopic scale, got together to revolutionize our understanding of the world.

The conference revolved around one main idea: physics may not be here to talk to us about material reality; the world it describes may only be nothing more than a gigantic hallucination!

The idea at the heart of the debate was this: quantum mechanics doesn't describe the object itself, but only what we know of it.

At first sight, this idea may seem banal and ordinary, its obvious that we only have access to the world by the information we get from it through our rather poor and simplifying senses: from Democrite to Kant, philosophers have warned us about this inevitable veil that separates us from reality.

But this could actually shatter our conception of reality. Because what we thought was attached to reality would mainly be tied to our perception. A little bit like if someone only saw the world through his computer: he must not deduce that the world is itself pixelised!

For Christopher Fuchs, the american physicist at the head of the conference, the task is therefore to make allowances between what falls under information...and the rest. We must expurgate from the data all the characteristics of the screen so that the rest belongs exclusively to the world itself.

"The pure distillate that would be left - as small as it may be compared to the whole of the quantum theory - will then be our first general oversight of what quantum mechanics is trying to tell us on nature itself", he says. He also underlines that it is too early to know what this "distilled reality" would look like.

Michel Bitbol, a french physicist, for his part is delighted to see " this re-flux of the realistic wave that submerged physics in the 70s. These works confirm and actualize the power of transcendental reasoning first proposed by Emmanuel Kant."




WHAT IF EVERYTHING IS NOTHING BUT INFORMATION!


A "New physics" is being born: one which considers all things from the single notion of information. How? By redefining time, space and matter, which will ultimately lead us to discover a new world: ours.




"Welcome to the Matrix." What if this was the message that today's quantum mechanics specialists addressed to us? Far from describing the behavior of matter, quantum mechanics, they affirm, only talks to us about..."information". As a result, as we thought that we were reaching the bottom of things, the tangible fundamentals of our world, these disappear and make room for a sort of massive hallucination, an artifact generated by our own questioning.

In an article published last year, the mathematician John Barrow, from the very serious University of Cambridge, imagines that a civilization 'only a bit more advanced than ours, would be capable of simulating the apparition of stars and the formation of planetary systems, and then, by integrating biochemical laws, would observe the evolution of life and of consciousness, then watch civilizations grow and communicate with each other, and fight over the fact that there may exist a Great Programmer in the skies who created the universe" etc. So the idea that we are only virtual creatures in a huge video game isn't so absurd. Although this idea relies more on fiction than on science, since we can't make an experience that refutes it. Contrarily to the Matrix movie, we don't have a red pill to cross to the other side of the screen! (this is questionable... we do have MESCALINE!!!)

Even then, the informational tidal wave that has been flooding into physics for a number of years pushes certain people to play with this scenario. Its that the idea is fruitful if it is taken in the right manner: not in order to take us to a reality above the appearances or to unmask a potential "Great Programmer", but, on the contrary, in order to re-concentrate on our world and redefine the physical relation that we maintain with it.

We only need to start from an observation, almost a tautology: we only have access to reality through the information we have of it.

Information is the mediator between the material and the abstract, between the real and the ideal", underlines the american physicist Hans Christian von Baeyer. "Physics, before being an ontology, must be an epistemology - the study of the way we know what we know and the limits tied to this knowledge. If we can understand the nature of information and incorporate it in our model of the physical world, we will then have made the first step on our road that leads towards a comprehension of the objective reality."






It seems that Physics, which has entered the age of information, henceforth aims to describe, rather than the world itself, the relentless effort of our brain to understand this world. Instead of putting in equations the agitation of matter in time and space, it attempts to spurt out these notions from our attempt - limited but courageous - to master the flow of information. Rather than the exterior world, it is finally the human condition that it is redefining.

Yes, in one way, we are entrapped in a "Matrix"! But far from the movie, its not a matter of a naughty program: it is the matrix of our own calculations carried out by the information that we gather when we confront ourselves to the world. Instead of enslaving us, this matrix liberates us, by avoiding of drowning us in the stream of information that surrounds us. And today, an army of new physicians is decided to break the code.






Time and space are modes by which we think and not the conditions in which we live. - Albert Einstein


The goal of physics isn't to discover what Nature is, but what we can say on it. - Niels Bohr







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Re: Physicists: "Reality is an illusion!" [Re: exclusive58]
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i am struggling with the M-theory, which sounds like this..

but I havent found a decent explanation that I could understand yet.. unfort. I never paid much attention in my honors physics class, although I did get a B..


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Re: Physicists: "Reality is an illusion!" [Re: kotik]
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Did they actually discuss the M-theory in your physics class??

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Re: Physicists: "Reality is an illusion!" [Re: exclusive58]
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exclusive58 said:
AT THE LIMITS OF MATTER, REALITY IS NOT A CERTAINTY ANYMORE



Reality is never a certainty, nor do scientists pretend that it is. This is why science does not deal with "facts." It deals with observations, hypotheses, and theories.


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Re: Physicists: "Reality is an illusion!" [Re: exclusive58]
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BTW, from my understanding of M-Theory, reality is composed of different vibrations of energy known as strings. Essentially, reality is an elegant harmonic symphony played by these strings.


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Re: Physicists: "Reality is an illusion!" [Re: Silversoul]
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I'd go for M(escaline)-Theory if I were you...

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Re: Physicists: "Reality is an illusion!" [Re: qhr0me]
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qhr0me said:
I'd go for M(escaline)-Theory if I were you...



The only way to fly, the perfect feeling of divinity. It's funny, whenever I am on the drug I do tend to see "through" things and people, see the auras and intentions of a person, the molecular superstructure of a plant.

Just wish it wasnt so harsh on the stomach...


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Re: Physicists: "Reality is an illusion!" [Re: Fospher]
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I think this is where the idea of 'consciousness' being outside of the physical brain starts to make sense. If the Universe is all information for it to have any existence there must be something to KNOW the information, or be aware of it at the most minute and non-conceptual level.


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1. "After an hour I wasn't feeling anything so I decided to take another..."
2. "We were feeling pretty good so we decided to smoke a few bowls..."
3. "I had to be real quiet because my parents were asleep upstairs..."

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Re: Physicists: "Reality is an illusion!" [Re: exclusive58]
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lol


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Re: Physicists: "Reality is an illusion!" [Re: exclusive58]
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http://www.elftrance.com/neo.htm

Interesting post! I really must learn more about the New Physics. It seems to come full circle to metaphysics.


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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Re: Physicists: "Reality is an illusion!" [Re: Silversoul]
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Paradigm said:
Reality is never a certainty, nor do scientists pretend that it is. This is why science does not deal with "facts." It deals with observations, hypotheses, and theories.



Where did you get the idea that scientists didn't think, up until now, they were dealing real, tangible things? You think when physicists studied the behavior of quantum particles they weren't thinking these particles were real?

This is why today physics is becoming revolutionary; they realized they weren't dealing with reality itself, but only the information they're getting from it. Its a hard thing to grasp at first, because it seems ordinary to us, but it really is a new way of perceiving the nature of our world.

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Re: Physicists: "Reality is an illusion!" [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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MarkostheGnostic said:
Interesting post! I really must learn more about the New Physics.It seems to come full circle to metaphysics.



Yes, it seems everything is coming full circle to everything even. :crazy:



BTW does any of this remind anyone how they might have seen some kind of ancient writings while tripping?

I remember one time as i was on shrooms, i looked at my wooden closet, and I saw these weird sciptures that i couldn't exactly focus on because it was constantly being refreshed, exactly like in the matrix.

Constant flow of information...

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Re: Physicists: "Reality is an illusion!" [Re: exclusive58]
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exclusive58 said:
Where did you get the idea that scientists didn't think, up until now, they were dealing real, tangible things? You think when physicists studied the behavior of quantum particles they weren't thinking these particles were real?



"Atoms are not things; only tendencies." -- Heisenberg

I'm sure the fact that these particles were also waves put quite a bit of doubt in their mind as to their existence.

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This is why today physics is becoming revolutionary; they realized they weren't dealing with reality itself, but only the information they're getting from it. Its a hard thing to grasp at first, because it seems ordinary to us, but it really is a new way of perceiving the nature of our world.



If information is reality, then we are dealing with reality itself.


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Re: Physicists: "Reality is an illusion!" [Re: Silversoul]
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Information is the mediator between reality and our mind, it isn't reality itself.
This slight difference changes everything.

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Re: Physicists: "Reality is an illusion!" [Re: exclusive58]
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exclusive58 said:
Information is the mediator between reality and our mind, it isn't reality itself.
This slight difference changes everything.



Philosophy has dealt with that problem for a couple centuries.


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Re: Physicists: "Reality is an illusion!" [Re: Silversoul]
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hehe, that's exactly why i'm excited. Science and philosophy/spirituality are starting to merge together!!

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Re: Physicists: "Reality is an illusion!" [Re: exclusive58]
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It's the fool who would think they have ever been seperate.


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Re: Physicists: "Reality is an illusion!" [Re: exclusive58]
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Did they actually discuss the M-theory in your physics class??




HAH! I wish!!! really, i may have paid more attention.. but the last physics class I took was in 1999, im not sure how new the m-theory really is, but i dont think they even considered it for high school in 99.

ironically, after going through high school and a few tech schools, and college.. i have more of an independant interest in physics, history, social studies and math.. not that i realize most of the shit they taught us was wrong / incomplete.


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Re: Physicists: "Reality is an illusion!" [Re: dorkus]
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Exactly. And I think that's what physicists will soon start saying is the same things mystics have been saying; the answers are within, not without.
The whole time, what we were searching IS what's searching.
The whole time, the truth had always been there, within.

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