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Invisiblelooner2
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Why did Canada forsake the U.S?
    #4679592 - 09/18/05 11:50 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Why did Canada align itself with the ideology of the E.U and the U.N? How come they didn't align themselves with their friendly neighbors from the south? An allied North America with the U.S military, numbers, and innovation, paired with Canadas vastness, hardy-people, and bountiful resources would prove a major stronghold in the coming years.


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Re: Why did Canada forsake the U.S? [Re: looner2]
    #4679615 - 09/18/05 11:56 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

why?? because its clear to them that this country is going down the shitter, its bad when the canadians wont associate with us. its bad enough that the government is as fucked up as it is but its worse when theres enough people to back it up.


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Re: Why did Canada forsake the U.S? [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #4679634 - 09/18/05 11:59 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

why?? because its clear to them that this country is going down the shitter, its bad when the canadians wont associate with us. its bad enough that the government is as fucked up as it is but its worse when theres enough people to back it up.

We are not really going down the shitter. We have an excellent economy, strong military, and decisive leadership.

The E.U is an endless stalemate.

Lets not put this into a U.S bashing course. I think that Canada has a chance to really make up for their disrespect in the past and that we should give them another opportunity, I just hope that they take it. Because if they don't, having a neighbor friendly to europe could prove to be a strategic disaster, and as such, might need to be dealt with... violently.


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Re: Why did Canada forsake the U.S? [Re: looner2]
    #4679693 - 09/19/05 12:12 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

im not bashing the us, just the current government and no not just the conservatives, i hate both sides, and i really cant understand how you feel we have a STRONG economy... the way i see it were headed for a depression, everyday more american jobs are outsourced, gas keeps going up, inflation is rising, we depend on foreign products WAY too much, national debt is out of control and is only getting worse with no solution in sight, our military is being stretched quite a bit right now. and your right our government has been decisive..... they decide poorly. hmmm saddam or bin ladden..... marijuana or other actually HARMFUL drugs..... help save people when local government fails or watch them suffer. real good decisions.


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Re: Why did Canada forsake the U.S? [Re: looner2]
    #4679698 - 09/19/05 12:13 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I wouldn't call the current US economy "excellent". It's not horrible, and possibly getting better, but at most it's luke-warm.

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Because if they don't, having a neighbor friendly to europe could prove to be a strategic disaster, and as such, might need to be dealt with... violently.




:thumbup:

All countries on the North American continent should be held to a higher standard by the US than the rest of the world. And if they continuously disrespect the US and threaten our power, some coercion may need to take place. Canada needs to stop being so socialist and acting like a crying toddler, and start respecting and looking up to us more.


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Re: Why did Canada forsake the U.S? [Re: Ravus]
    #4679843 - 09/19/05 12:45 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

maybe thats why they distance themselves, maybe not everyone is as gung ho about war as our government.
i dont agree with that ravus, why is it that our country has such a hard time letting other countries have their own views?? not everyone is like us and nor should they be forced into being so. one of these days the world is going to get sick of us and tell us to shut the hell up, we depend on foreign goods so much that if most of the world cut us off we would be screwed. america needs to lose its big ass ego, we might be the strongest nation for the time being but theres nothing guaranteeing that we keep that spot. we need to stop forcing our beliefs on others and work towards global peace or even maybe peace in our own damn country, were so divided in this country how could we possibly lead the world? how would we like it if say china or saudia arabia were the strongest nations in the world and they thought that they could make us better? we wouldnt stand for it ... hell if we concentrated on our own problems and promoting peace with other nations we would be better off.


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Re: Why did Canada forsake the U.S? [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #4679974 - 09/19/05 01:06 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

becouse canada is a smart nation?
you can call me an extreamist or whatever but i think the following gremling explains it rather well... :starwars:


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Re: Why did Canada forsake the U.S? [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #4680160 - 09/19/05 01:44 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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leftysurprise said:
why?? because its clear to them that this country is going down the shitter, its bad when the canadians wont associate with us. its bad enough that the government is as fucked up as it is but its worse when theres enough people to back it up.




It is not just the current government, Canadians have been distancing themselves from the US for years. There are many ideological differences between the two countries and a lot of those differences are based on misinformation.

Healthcare is a great example. People in the US think Canadian healthcare is inadequate while Canadians think that only the rich have access to healthcare in the US. Like most things, its just a communication breakdown, a failure to communicate properly and spread truth. I go to Canada frequently and I am always amazed at the urban legends that go around there about America but I am sure it is the same the other way around.


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Re: Why did Canada forsake the U.S? [Re: looner2]
    #4681008 - 09/19/05 07:22 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Why should we make anything up to you? Maybe your country should make up for the disrespects to millions around the world and to your own populace.


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Re: Why did Canada forsake the U.S? [Re: barfightlard]
    #4681060 - 09/19/05 09:08 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Why should we make anything up to you? Maybe your country should make up for the disrespects to millions around the world and to your own populace.


Because our military has stood strong in the face of communist Russia for 50 years, poised at the border of the red curtain, ready to absorb the attack if it should come, while the Europeans used this time to think up their new philosophy of peace?

Because as Europe bashed the U.S for spending money on the military in order to bankrupt the Soviet Union, they got to use our subsidies to pour into their own social welfare systems and then turn around and boo us for being uncaring?

Because we are a strong, proud nation, who use our balls and realize that the world is not a pretty place, and that we have the will and strength to carry out our goals, not only for ourselves, but for the plight of other people.

Because we saved the world before, and we will probably save the world again.

But go ahead and continue to worship Europe. Your leaders are France and Germany, two of the most violent nations in history who just recently decided to self-castrate themselves in lieu of their magnificent failure in a war when ONE of them theoretically should have won.

You have a choice, strength or pity. We want you on our team, brother.


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Re: Why did Canada forsake the U.S? [Re: looner2]
    #4681268 - 09/19/05 11:34 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Canada's resentful of being our little brother.

I'm not sure where you get the strong economy bit from...

Greenspan's stated clearly that the national debt coupled
with the average debt load carried by citizens is a
DANGEROUS limb to be balancing on.

I don't have a lot of confidence that the value of my
home won't plumment 100's of thousands of dollars if
something drastic were to happen to tip the precarious
balance our nation's economy is in.


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Re: Why did Canada forsake the U.S? [Re: looner2]
    #4681765 - 09/19/05 02:10 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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looner2 said:
Why did Canada align itself with the ideology of the E.U and the U.N? How come they didn't align themselves with their friendly neighbors from the south? An allied North America with the U.S military, numbers, and innovation, paired with Canadas vastness, hardy-people, and bountiful resources would prove a major stronghold in the coming years.




In case you didn't notice, we were aligned with you quite strongly (and, in case you still don't notice, we still are) especially in the time following 9/11. People in my city flew American flags right up as high and beside their own Canadian flags - to show our brothers and sisters to the South that we feel for their plight.

We gave our support and troops to help you out in Afghanistan. We're still there, helping out as much as we can.

And then Iraq happened. We didn't support you, and still don't, because by and large Canadians have not been given a valid reason for invading Iraq. Perhaps your President spent so much time trying to convince his own country that it was a necessity that he completely forgot to try and convince the rest of the world about it. So we weren't convinced.

Did we "forsake" you? No, certainly not. One would have to be foolish to think so. We still work with you intimately in the War on Terror. We still sell you over 50% of the Oil we produce. We still remain here, hopefully as friends, despite the fact that we don't agree with your country's current course of action.

What do we get in return? Bullying. We have come very close to decriminalizing or even legalizing marijuana FINALLY after years of struggle in our own country....only to be threatened about it by your government. We forsake you, when you are a country who threatens us?

The USA has used Canada to its own designs just as it has used every other country in the Americas for its own purposes.

Get over yourself.



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Re: Why did Canada forsake the U.S? [Re: trendal]
    #4681870 - 09/19/05 02:34 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Yayoubetcha  :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:


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Re: Why did Canada forsake the U.S? [Re: looner2]
    #4681896 - 09/19/05 02:41 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

We had our own defense stratagy for a northern attack from Russia, but you guys fucked that up for us too. We had the most advanced intercepter, that was 20 years ahead of its time(out perfomed your f-18, and existed in the 1950's). Instead your jeleous government manipulated our dumbass one into scrapping the project and buying your shitty missles.

Sure the world isn't a pretty place, that doesn't mean you should join in making it worse.....

If you save the world again I don't think you can really take credit for saving it because more than likely your government will be the cause of the fighting in the first place.

No thanks, I don't like fascism much.


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Re: Why did Canada forsake the U.S? [Re: looner2]
    #4682088 - 09/19/05 03:27 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

looner2 said:
Why should we make anything up to you? Maybe your country should make up for the disrespects to millions around the world and to your own populace.


Because our military has stood strong in the face of communist Russia for 50 years, poised at the border of the red curtain, ready to absorb the attack if it should come, while the Europeans used this time to think up their new philosophy of peace?

Because as Europe bashed the U.S for spending money on the military in order to bankrupt the Soviet Union, they got to use our subsidies to pour into their own social welfare systems and then turn around and boo us for being uncaring?

Because we are a strong, proud nation, who use our balls and realize that the world is not a pretty place, and that we have the will and strength to carry out our goals, not only for ourselves, but for the plight of other people.

Because we saved the world before, and we will probably save the world again.

But go ahead and continue to worship Europe. Your leaders are France and Germany, two of the most violent nations in history who just recently decided to self-castrate themselves in lieu of their magnificent failure in a war when ONE of them theoretically should have won.

You have a choice, strength or pity. We want you on our team, brother.




:thumbup:

America is the most beautiful country. I despise certain aspects of it, the theism and the socialist tint we have with welfare, but overall I wouldn't want to live anywhere else. This is the nation of power and greatness in the world, the one nation that never hesitates to walk with its will to power held up high.

And Trendal, we don't need a good reason to invade Iraq. This is America; we're militarily the strongest country in the world, and have no need to get on our knees and blow the UN before making a decision.


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Re: Why did Canada forsake the U.S? [Re: Ravus]
    #4682116 - 09/19/05 03:31 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

And Trendal, we don't need a good reason to invade Iraq. This is America; we're militarily the strongest country in the world, and have no need to get on our knees and blow the UN before making a decision.

/me chuckles :lol:

Thanks, man! For a second I thought you were being serious there :smirk:


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Re: Why did Canada forsake the U.S? [Re: trendal]
    #4682147 - 09/19/05 03:38 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Thanks, man! For a second I thought you were being serious there :smirk:



I'm beginning to worry that he may actually be serious.  :crazy:


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Re: Why did Canada forsake the U.S? [Re: Silversoul]
    #4682265 - 09/19/05 04:05 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Because you're an American, you have the freedom of speech to disagree with me. But America as a country will always march forward to greatness, no matter how much citizens disagree with the search for greatness inside its borders.


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Re: Why did Canada forsake the U.S? [Re: Ravus]
    #4682284 - 09/19/05 04:09 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Ravus said:
Because you're an American, you have the freedom of speech to disagree with me. But America as a country will always march forward to greatness, no matter how much citizens disagree with the search for greatness inside its borders.



Greatness = senseless killing? Only in the minds of the unevolved.


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Re: Why did Canada forsake the U.S? [Re: Silversoul]
    #4682371 - 09/19/05 04:36 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

"we kill because we care" - this message brought to you by the U.S. government.


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