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Canada Says Yes to Sodomy, No to Jesus
    #4349413 - 06/29/05 04:09 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Canada Lawmakers OK Gay Marriage Bill
Jun 28, 10:58 PM (ET)
By BETH DUFF-BROWN

TORONTO (AP) - Canada's House of Commons passed landmark legislation Tuesday to legalize gay marriage, granting same-sex couples legal rights equal to those in traditional unions between a man and a woman.

The bill passed as expected, despite opposition from Conservatives and religious leaders. The legislation drafted by Prime Minister Paul Martin's minority Liberal Party government was also expected to easily pass the Senate and become federal law by the end of July.

The Netherlands and Belgium are the only other two nations that allow gay marriage nationwide.

Some of Martin's Liberal lawmakers voted against the bill and a Cabinet minister resigned Tuesday over the legislation. But enough allies rallied to support the bill that has been debated for months, voting 158 to 133 to approve it.

Martin praised Tuesday's vote as a necessary step for human rights.

"We are a nation of minorities," Martin said. "And in a nation of minorities, it is important that you don't cherry-pick rights."

There are an estimated 34,000 gay and lesbian couples in Canada, according to government statistics. Before the measure passed, gay marriage was legal in seven provinces.

Alex Munter, national spokesman for Canadians for Equal Marriage, which has led the debate in favor of the law, was triumphant after the vote: "The genius of Canada, almost unparalleled in the world, is built on shared identity, out of respect for each other."

Martin, a Roman Catholic, has said that despite anyone's personal beliefs, all Canadians should be granted the same rights to marriage.

Churches have expressed concern that their clergy would be compelled by law to perform same-sex ceremonies, with couples taking them to court or human rights tribunals if refused. The legislation, however, states that the bill only covers civil unions, not religious ones, and no clergy would be forced to perform same-sex ceremonies unless they choose to do so.

The Roman Catholic Church, the predominant Christian denomination in Canada, has vigorously opposed the legislation, saying that it would harm children in particular.

Charles McVety, a spokesman for Defend Marriage Canada and president of Canada Christian College, called the vote an "onerous breach of trust and the deconstruction of so much that is dear to our hearts."

Flanked by clergymen, McVety vowed his group would work to vote out lawmakers who supported the legislation in the next general elections.

"This is the beginning of the formal fight against the redefinition of marriage," McVety said. "We will, in the next election, be able to correct this incredible democratic deficit before us today."

The debate in Canada began in December, when the Supreme Court ruled that passage of same-sex legislation would not violate the constitution.

According to most polls, a majority of Canadians supports the right for gays and lesbians to marry. In the United States, gay marriage is opposed by a majority of Americans, according to an Associated Press-Ipsos poll taken in November, shortly after constitutional amendments in 11 states to ban same-sex marriage were approved.

Massachusetts is the only state that allows gay marriages; Vermont and Connecticut have approved same-sex civil unions.

Roberta Sklar, spokeswoman for the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force in Washington, D.C., said same-sex American couples applaud Canadians.

"We know that it has been somewhat contentious in Canada, but at the same time the Canadians have largely approached this issue in a rational and democratic way and are providing a very positive model for the rest of the world," Sklar said.

Though hundreds of foreigners have come to Canada to seek civil ceremonies since gay marriages were first allowed in Ontario and British Columbia in 2003, not all countries or states recognize the unions. While a slew of Israeli men were married in Toronto City Hall earlier this year, for example, the Israeli Interior Ministry does not recognize those unions.

In the United States, the federal government does not recognize same-sex marriage and most states refuse to acknowledge marriage certificates from gay and lesbian couples, regardless of where they wed.
http://apnews.myway.com//article/20050629/D8B10SH80.html


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Re: Canada Says Yes to Sodomy, No to Jesus [Re: Ravus]
    #4349430 - 06/29/05 04:15 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

go canada, I'm glad atleast one of the countries in north american recognizes civil rights.


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Re: Canada Says Yes to Sodomy, No to Jesus [Re: discoabe]
    #4349455 - 06/29/05 04:30 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

jesus can go fuck himself


thats right i said it

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Re: Canada Says Yes to Sodomy, No to Jesus [Re: Ravus]
    #4349530 - 06/29/05 05:14 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

thats fucked up.


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Re: Canada Says Yes to Sodomy, No to Jesus [Re: Ravus]
    #4349582 - 06/29/05 06:22 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I honestly don't see what the big deal is...if two men or two women want to get married, let 'em.

Is it really going to change the way you live or your current beliefs?


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Re: Canada Says Yes to Sodomy, No to Jesus [Re: Ravus]
    #4349612 - 06/29/05 06:54 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Please post the quote from Jesus concerning homosexuality. Thank you.


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Re: Canada Says Yes to Sodomy, No to Jesus [Re: Swami]
    #4349646 - 06/29/05 07:22 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Canada's House of Commons passed landmark legislation Tuesday to legalize gay marriage, granting same-sex couples legal rights equal to those in traditional unions between a man and a woman.




*gasp* ... the horror... giving people the same legal rights regardless of their sexual orientation...

Quote:

Please post the quote from Jesus concerning homosexuality.




Gospel of St. Luke 17:35 [Jesus Said:] "I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left."

Granted, the above is a strech, but it is the best I could come up with...


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Re: Canada Says Yes to Sodomy, No to Jesus [Re: Seuss]
    #4349703 - 06/29/05 08:25 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left

So one's the catcher and the other's the pitcher?


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Re: Canada Says Yes to Sodomy, No to Jesus [Re: cb9fl]
    #4349717 - 06/29/05 08:50 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Canada sure is proud of themselves.


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Re: Canada Says Yes to Sodomy, No to Jesus [Re: looner2]
    #4349727 - 06/29/05 09:01 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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looner2 said:
Canada sure is proud of themselves.




We certainly are...we're proud of the fact that we are free to do as we please moreso than our neighbours to the south.

We are just a more tolerant country than the U.S.


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Re: Canada Says Yes to Sodomy, No to Jesus [Re: looner2]
    #4349728 - 06/29/05 09:02 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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looner2 said:
Canada sure is proud of themselves.




Damn right.


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Re: Canada Says Yes to Sodomy, No to Jesus [Re: trendal]
    #4349832 - 06/29/05 10:12 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Go Canada!!


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Re: Canada Says Yes to Sodomy, No to Jesus [Re: trendal]
    #4349835 - 06/29/05 10:14 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Don't worry, America is curently showing you the true nature of freedom and democracy as the DEA tries to manipulate drug policy in BC. The USA firmly believes in the sovereignity of nations as long as they comply.

Resistance is futile.


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Re: Canada Says Yes to Sodomy, No to Jesus [Re: Rono]
    #4349855 - 06/29/05 10:24 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Rono said:
I honestly don't see what the big deal is...if two men or two women want to get married, let 'em. 

Is it really going to change the way you live or your current beliefs?




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Re: Canada Says Yes to Sodomy, No to Jesus [Re: Rono]
    #4349869 - 06/29/05 10:31 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Rono said:
I honestly don't see what the big deal is...if two men or two women want to get married, let 'em.

Is it really going to change the way you live or your current beliefs?




A better question is why should gays get the same benefits of a married couple?

They won't reproduce; they won't continue progeny into the next generation. Marriage is the basis for child rearing, which is a fundamental part of a society. Those who undertake this task get help through government breaks and exemptions and it benefits them, their children, and society.

Then again, the government doesn't need to do that in the first place, but giving these benefits to gays is ludicrous.


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Re: Canada Says Yes to Sodomy, No to Jesus [Re: looner2]
    #4349922 - 06/29/05 11:07 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

"They won't reproduce; they won't continue progeny into the next generation. Marriage is the basis for child rearing, which is a fundamental part of a society."

"Then again, the government doesn't need to do that in the first place, but giving these benefits to gays is ludicrous."

No one wakes up in the morning and says "I think I'm going to be gay today after all society in general really respects me for being different." People just don't do that because its not true. Being gay is not a choice, when people are born their sexual preference is already set. Sure some people go through stages of experimentation which helps them to determine what their sexuality is, but you can't pick and choose who you are sexually attracted to. With that being said I don't understand why marriage is an issue. There are so many people in the world who are married and who have no intent of having children. And there are so many people in the world who divorce and remarry and are too old to have children. And now a days there are even people getting married on public television so that they can make money off of their wedding. So what is the difference between a man and a woman in love with no intent of having children getting married and two men or two women who are in love and want to get married? Personally I think Canada, The Netherlands, Belgium, and from what I hear also Spain have either done or are doing the right thing. Give people rights.


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Re: Canada Says Yes to Sodomy, No to Jesus [Re: looner2]
    #4349943 - 06/29/05 11:18 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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They won't reproduce; they won't continue progeny into the next generation. Marriage is the basis for child rearing, which is a fundamental part of a society. Those who undertake this task get help through government breaks and exemptions and it benefits them, their children, and society.




Yet we give the same "benefits" to married couples who don't reproduce (which there are some who don't, or can't). The emphasis is on the marriage and not the children who come later. That's why there are specific benefits for those who have children, aside from the benefits of marriage. If we were only rewarding people for reproduction...we would only do it when they actually have children, not when they tie the knot.

If you give it to a man and woman who don't have kids...why not give it to two women who don't have kids, or two men?


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Re: Canada Says Yes to Sodomy, No to Jesus [Re: trendal]
    #4349997 - 06/29/05 11:40 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Decent point, I knew it was going to come.

But, if we give benefits to only reproduction then we will condone bringing children into our society that have no committed family unit. Studies after studies show that children need a mother and father in order to grow up as mature, healthy, and functioning members of society.

Then of course, we could make a clause that you must be married AND have children to gain benefits, but that seems like a very small technicality. A large majority of married couples have children, and very few go childless throughout their lives.

Still, your agument doesn't address the fact gays can't have children and have no real purpose to get the same benefits of individuals who contribute to the growth of society.


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Re: Canada Says Yes to Sodomy, No to Jesus [Re: trendal]
    #4350006 - 06/29/05 11:45 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Gays shouldn't marry because marriage is not some state thing. It is a sacred institution of the church. Allowing gays to marry should be left soley up to church doctrine.
If they want benefits, let them go ahead with a civil union or whatever it is. No need to dishonor the church by imposing regulations on one of their most sacred traditions.

On another note, I wonder if this will start an influx of gay refugees to gaynadia.


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Re: Canada Says Yes to Sodomy, No to Jesus [Re: Rono]
    #4350007 - 06/29/05 11:46 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Rono said:


We are just a more tolerant country than the U.S.




It's nice to see one country in North America that is. Go Canada!  :cool:


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