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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Bush Lie Detector Test
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1. Saddam is the most evil man on the planet and harbors WMD.

2. Marijuana is the most dangerous drug on the planet.


The president is not a liar; therefore A and B are both true.

Wait a minute! A and B are not both true; therefore Bush is a ....

Hey, if he lied about B, then I am starting to wonder about A.


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Re: Bush Lie Detector Test [Re: Swami]
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Shhhhh....he can hear you thinking evil thoughts


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"I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."

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Re: Bush Lie Detector Test [Re: Swami]
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Thats not the only lie.


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ash dingy donker mo gollyhopper patty popiton rockstop bueno mayo riggedy jig bobber johnathan pattywhacker gogboob t-shirt monkey.

There is such emotion in the distortion.

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Re: Bush Lie Detector Test [Re: Swami]
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It's not a lie if he lied to himself. Then it's just "misinformation", as right-wingers will point out.

As if that helps the scenario at all. "Bush never lied! He just misled us!"


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So long as you are praised think only that you are not yet on your own path but on that of another.

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Re: Bush Lie Detector Test [Re: Ravus]
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Ravus said:
It's not a lie if he lied to himself. Then it's just "misinformation", as right-wingers will point out.

As if that helps the scenario at all. "Bush never lied! He just misled us!"


I'm no Bush supporter, but is anyone here willing to claim that Saddam was anything even close to a good leader? Did he not kill his own people? Is he not guilty of countless war crimes? Did he not violate the treaty he made? The simple fact of the matter is that Saddam was a murderer and needed to be removed. Does the fact that there are countless others like him change that fact?


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"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis

"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson

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Re: Bush Lie Detector Test [Re: z@z.com]
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z@z.com said:
Ravus said:
It's not a lie if he lied to himself. Then it's just "misinformation", as right-wingers will point out.

As if that helps the scenario at all. "Bush never lied! He just misled us!"


I'm no Bush supporter, but is anyone here willing to claim that Saddam was anything even close to a good leader? Did he not kill his own people? Is he not guilty of countless war crimes? Did he not violate the treaty he made? The simple fact of the matter is that Saddam was a murderer and needed to be removed. Does the fact that there are countless others like him change that fact?


I dont hate bush because of Iraq, I hate bush because he supports the war on drugs. Bush is good friends with a Saudi regime that is no better than Saddam's was.


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Re: Bush Lie Detector Test [Re: z@z.com]
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I'm no Bush supporter, but is anyone here willing to claim that Saddam was anything even close to a good leader? Did he not kill his own people? Is he not guilty of countless war crimes? Did he not violate the treaty he made? The simple fact of the matter is that Saddam was a murderer and needed to be removed. Does the fact that there are countless others like him change that fact?


True, Saddam was no angel, but does that mean we need to be the world police? Does that mean we need to sacrifice thousands of soldiers and hundreds of billions of dollars just because a leader in the Middle East is crazy?

I don't disagree with that; Saddam was a murderer and a bad leader. But the way that Bush went about dealing with this was absolutely insane. He rushed into the war, without global and UN support, when Iraq posed no more of a threat to the US than any other country in the world. There are always going to be crazy leaders, but that's all the more of a reason we need to make sound, logical decisions.


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So long as you are praised think only that you are not yet on your own path but on that of another.

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Re: Bush Lie Detector Test [Re: Ravus]
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Looks to me like Bush and Saddam might have a few things in common.


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Re: Bush Lie Detector Test [Re: z@z.com]
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so any leader that is considered 'bad' should have their country invaded?


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Kira: What do Klingons dream about?

Worf: Things that would send cold chills down your spine, and wake you up in the middle of the night. No, it is better you do not know

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Re: Bush Lie Detector Test [Re: Ravus]
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Ravus said:
It's not a lie if he lied to himself. Then it's just "misinformation", as right-wingers will point out.


Sissela Bok might disagree. A lie is defined as deliberately misleading someone. Therefore, if he lied to himself, which is in fact a lie, to rationalize a lie to others, he in essence mislead himself in order to better mislead others for personal gain.


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Re: Bush Lie Detector Test [Re: Worf]
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Any leader that is bad should have their country invaded if their own people will not remove them from power, this includes Iran, Saudi Arabia, Sweden, China, Russia, France, the United States, and the Philippines, among countless other nations that support the war on drugs.


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Re: Bush Lie Detector Test [Re: LSDempire]
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world domination is always good. napoleon and hitler tried it once.


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Kira: What do Klingons dream about?

Worf: Things that would send cold chills down your spine, and wake you up in the middle of the night. No, it is better you do not know

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Re: Bush Lie Detector Test [Re: Worf]
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So did Alexander.

So did the Athenian League, which is VERY, very similar to present-day America.


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Kumbayah my lord, Kumbayah...

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Re: Bush Lie Detector Test [Re: Drink_Punk_Soda]
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don't forget Cobra Commander



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Re: Bush Lie Detector Test [Re: Worf]
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What makes you think I want Libertarian world domination? Let me just list a few of the nations that I would not liberate: Denmark, Switzerland, the Netherlands, Portugal, Italy, Luxembourg, Belgium, Spain, Australia, Austria, and even Norway!


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Re: Bush Lie Detector Test [Re: LSDempire]
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there is no need to liberate in world domination.


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Worf: Things that would send cold chills down your spine, and wake you up in the middle of the night. No, it is better you do not know

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Re: Bush Lie Detector Test [Re: LSDempire]
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They're all a bunch of socialist bastards who criminalize drugs also. Try giving a policeman some White China in Italy and see how they charge you with blasphemy and burn you at the stake.


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So long as you are praised think only that you are not yet on your own path but on that of another.

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Re: Bush Lie Detector Test [Re: Worf]
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outputrotation said:
there is no need to liberate in world domination.


I disagree.


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Re: Bush Lie Detector Test [Re: Ravus]
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Ravus said:
They're all a bunch of socialist bastards who criminalize drugs also. Try giving a policeman some White China in Italy and see how they charge you with blasphemy and burn you at the stake.


In Italy, Portugal, and Luxembourg, there has been decriminalization by law, meaning that the law does not foresee possession for personal consumption of some or of any drugs as criminal offenses. The same framework will probably be applied in the near future in Belgium, after the announced law is issued.


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