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Re: Bowling For Columbine - Lying with the help of the Media [Re: lysergic]
    #1899850 - 09/09/03 09:33 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Maybe he would have written "Stupid Brown Men" instead.


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Re: Bowling For Columbine - Lying with the help of the Media [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1899971 - 09/09/03 10:03 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Maybe he would have written "Stupid Brown Men" instead.




Or he could have called it "Stupid Human Kind".


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Re: Bowling For Columbine - Lying with the help of the Media [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1900251 - 09/09/03 11:25 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Maybe he would have written "Stupid Brown Men" instead. 




Ouch. :smile:

I don't think there would have been enough money to be made from a movie with that title.  And after all, that is what Mooreon really is about.

12 sandwich eating bastard that he is. 


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Re: Bowling For Columbine - Lying with the help of the Media [Re: Edame]
    #1900363 - 09/09/03 11:57 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

And the real question begging to be asked is... why are they getting so worked up about a movie, yet could give a fuck less about the lies regurgitated nightly on their news?

How is Micheal Moore any different then a selected president's speeches linking Iraq to 9-11 with lies and forged documents? Come on folks, its entertainment.. yet your country goes down the tubes and it's patriotism.

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Re: Bowling For Columbine - Lying with the help of the Media [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #1900575 - 09/10/03 12:48 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

When entertainment is passed off as non-fiction what blind fool wouldn't be bothered by that?


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Re: Bowling For Columbine - Lying with the help of the Media [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1900652 - 09/10/03 01:09 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

A recent poll shows that 69% of Americans now think that Saddam Hussein was (directly) tied to 9/11 in some fashion.

Is this because there is any evidence to that end? Nope. It is because the Bush cabal has, time and time again, mentioned those two topics in the same sentence. Over and over... without ever clarifying that they were two different topics.

So, what y'all are saying is that it's okay for our fucking president to do this - to use this unchecked doublespeak to swing popular opinion in (a very very predetermined) direction, but if a filmmaker does something similar to prove a point, then he should be, and I quote:

"beating that doughboy fatass beefytits motherfucker around some. Stupid fat bastard. I can't stand slovenly, pissed off, liberal fatasses. What a shitty combination. I wish that he would have been in NYC on 9/11"

Who the fuck are you people, really?

No... really...


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Re: Bowling For Columbine - Lying with the help of the Media [Re: GernBlanston]
    #1900687 - 09/10/03 01:21 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

If someone lies to prove a point does that automatically make the point false?

Lying is lying no matter who does it. I don't see the point arguing "why argue about this and not about that". If you want to argue about something else, then start another thread.


Maybe Hussein was an immediate threat and maybe he wasn't. He probably wasn't, but to me that is a moot point. We got him out of power, and to me, if Iraq pulls out of this and becomes 90% less fucking insane then I am satisfied with the results.

If on the other hand this all blows up in our faces, the situation doesn't get any better, or gets even worse (for us, but especially for them) then I will be pissed. As it is right now, I'm wary.



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Re: Bowling For Columbine - Lying with the help of the Media [Re: lysergic]
    #1901031 - 09/10/03 03:52 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Funny that I see this post, I am watching this movie as we speak. I don't agree with the movie entirely but find it interesting. I thought it was interesting when he mentioned the amount of gun murders in the US compared to other countries. I guess things just work differently out here. I guess murder is as American as apple pie IMO... haha. As a hardcore gun advocate I thought it would be interesting seeing this movie since I've always taken an interest in the columbine shootings. Yea... there is a lot of bullshit in this movie... but I liked certain parts of it.


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Re: Bowling For Columbine - Lying with the help of the Media [Re: psilocybe cubensis]
    #1901048 - 09/10/03 03:58 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Ten million children under five die of gunshot in America every day.


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Re: Bowling For Columbine - Lying with the help of the Media [Re: GernBlanston]
    #1901342 - 09/10/03 09:25 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

edit: Moore is brilliant.


Edited by farfelu (09/10/03 10:07 AM)


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Re: Bowling For Columbine - Lying with the help of the Media [Re: farfelu]
    #1901360 - 09/10/03 09:31 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

What the hell are you rambling about? The point of the thread is that Moore is a damn liar.


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Re: Bowling For Columbine - Lying with the help of the Media [Re: farfelu]
    #1901485 - 09/10/03 10:19 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

i liked your first post better.

indeed, shakta, he is a liar.

fucking propagandizing asshole, too.


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    #1901548 - 09/10/03 11:03 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Who are you people?


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Re: Bowling For Columbine - Lying with the help of the Media [Re: farfelu]
    #1901567 - 09/10/03 11:13 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Who are you people?



People who don't like lying sacks of shit like Moore.

If he had done his movies without the lies, fabrication and bullshit, perhaps many would have a different opinion of him.

What I want to know is.... who are you people who still idolize him after seeing what a lying asshole he is? Does the truth mean nothing to you or are you just comfortable with lies?


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Re: Bowling For Columbine - Lying with the help of the Media [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1901978 - 09/10/03 01:28 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

The same could be said for Bush. People believe what they want to believe.


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Re: Bowling For Columbine - Lying with the help of the Media [Re: Edame]
    #1901987 - 09/10/03 01:33 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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The same could be said for Bush. People believe what they want to believe.


As shown by the contents of several recent threads... yes they do.

Often with no basis in fact.


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Re: Bowling For Columbine - Lying with the help of the Media [Re: Edame]
    #1901989 - 09/10/03 01:33 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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The same could be said for Bush. People believe what they want to believe.




Somehow I knew this post was going to say the exact same thing it does Edame. There is a HUGE difference between the two. We have no proof Bush has lied about anything.


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Re: Bowling For Columbine - Lying with the help of the Media [Re: shakta]
    #1902045 - 09/10/03 01:54 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

There's a huge difference alright. Michael Moore's making films, his decisions don't directly affect millions of lives all over the world.

Take a look at the quotes below. If MM had made a film with those claims, I'm sure some of you would be lining up to take a shot at him.


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Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.
George W. Bush, President
Speech to UN General Assembly
9/12/2002


Iraq has stockpiled biological and chemical weapons, and is rebuilding the facilities used to make more of those weapons. We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have
George W. Bush, President
Radio Address
10/5/2002


After eleven years during which we have tried containment, sanctions, inspections, even selected military action, the end result is that Saddam Hussein still has chemical and biological weapons and is increasing his capabilities to make more. And he is moving ever closer to developing a nuclear weapon.
George W. Bush, President
Cincinnati, Ohio Speech
10/7/2002


We've also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas
George W. Bush, President
Cincinnati, Ohio Speech
10/7/2002


Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.
George W. Bush, President
Address to the Nation
3/17/2003


But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them.
George W. Bush, President
Interview with TVP Poland
5/30/2003


You remember when [Secretary of State] Colin Powell stood up in front of the world, and he said Iraq has got laboratories, mobile labs to build biological weapons ...They're illegal. They're against the United Nations resolutions, and we've so far discovered two...And we'll find more weapons as time goes on.
George W. Bush, President
Press Briefing
5/30/2003




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In the beginning was the word. And man could not handle the word, and the hearing of the word, and he asked God to take away his ears so that he might live in peace without having to hear words which might upset his equinamity or corrupt the unblemished purity of his conscience.

And God, hearing this desperate plea from His creation, wrinkled His mighty brow for a moment and then leaned down toward man, beckoning that he should come close so as to hear all that was about to be revealed to him.

"Fuck you," He whispered, and frowned upon the pathetic supplicant before retreating to His heavens.


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Re: Bowling For Columbine - Lying with the help of the Media [Re: Edame]
    #1902060 - 09/10/03 01:59 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

My point is the jury is still out on his claims, while Moore has been proven a liar.


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Re: Bowling For Columbine - Lying with the help of the Media [Re: shakta]
    #1902075 - 09/10/03 02:03 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Perhaps you could point out some specific quotes from Moore that prove him to be a liar?


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In the beginning was the word. And man could not handle the word, and the hearing of the word, and he asked God to take away his ears so that he might live in peace without having to hear words which might upset his equinamity or corrupt the unblemished purity of his conscience.

And God, hearing this desperate plea from His creation, wrinkled His mighty brow for a moment and then leaned down toward man, beckoning that he should come close so as to hear all that was about to be revealed to him.

"Fuck you," He whispered, and frowned upon the pathetic supplicant before retreating to His heavens.


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