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Creation Vs Infinity
    #4540563 - 08/16/05 01:37 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

The way I see it, our existence can only be attributed to Creation or Infinity. If causation were completely true, something was the first cause (I call that god). If there isnt a god I believe in infinity, that being infinite dimensions all existing simultaneously. Does anyone have any beliefs that dont fit into one of those scenarios?


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Re: Creation Vs Infinity [Re: LittleBen]
    #4540581 - 08/16/05 01:44 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

How can something be the first cause? Why not just say the universe was the first cause if such a thing exists?

Time is just a dimension, and until I understand why this dimension only goes forward and understand why it's linear, I really don't know. Why aren't the first three dimensions seen to have a cause? Everyone assumes that space is just there without thinking about it, but time they constantly question.

And what about the other 7 dimensions curled up on the quantum level in string theory? If those exist, then I think we comprehend basically nothing on the true nature of what a dimension is.


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Re: Creation Vs Infinity [Re: Ravus]
    #4540614 - 08/16/05 01:50 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

The first dimension would be the first cause. I think time is needed to have matter or anything else, but even if its not, there is something first or there isnt. If a formula, a 50 ft tall dude, or pure randomness caused that first thing I consider that god. Infinity is a hard concept to accept but I dont think it is any less probable than god.


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Re: Creation Vs Infinity [Re: LittleBen]
    #4540662 - 08/16/05 02:11 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

How can something be the first cause? Why not just say the universe was the first cause if such a thing exists?

Time is just a dimension, and until I understand why this dimension only goes forward and understand why it's linear, I really don't know. Why aren't the first three dimensions seen to have a cause? Everyone assumes that space is just there without thinking about it, but time they constantly question.

And what about the other 7 dimensions curled up on the quantum level in string theory? If those exist, then I think we comprehend basically nothing on the true nature of what a dimension is.


i don't assume space is just there, i believe both space and time are intimately connected and do not exist outside our minds in the same way they appear to us in our minds.

i think first cause designates the idenpendent existance, most things that exist, exist relative to other things while the first cause has an absolute existance.


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Re: Creation Vs Infinity [Re: LittleBen]
    #4540679 - 08/16/05 02:15 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

The way I see it, our existence can only be attributed to Creation or Infinity. If causation were completely true, something was the first cause (I call that god). If there isnt a god I believe in infinity, that being infinite dimensions all existing simultaneously. Does anyone have any beliefs that dont fit into one of those scenarios?

Well, I ask you this: who says God doesn't equal infinity? I think the very essence of God itself is infinity. I can definitely say that the notion of Creation in the common sense is out of the question if we've got infinity on our hands here, however.


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Re: Creation Vs Infinity [Re: PrimaMateria]
    #4540865 - 08/16/05 03:20 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

right, isn't God supposed to be infinite?


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Re: Creation Vs Infinity [Re: PrimaMateria]
    #4540879 - 08/16/05 03:24 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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PrimaMateria said:
The way I see it, our existence can only be attributed to Creation or Infinity. If causation were completely true, something was the first cause (I call that god). If there isnt a god I believe in infinity, that being infinite dimensions all existing simultaneously. Does anyone have any beliefs that dont fit into one of those scenarios?

Well, I ask you this: who says God doesn't equal infinity? I think the very essence of God itself is infinity. I can definitely say that the notion of Creation in the common sense is out of the question if we've got infinity on our hands here, however.




How do you know God is infinite? And how can something even be infinite? If God is infinite and has no cause, that means you can go back and back and back and back, yet he's always there. There's no cause at all.

This is extremely illogical in my mind as I try to envision someone just always existing in the past. Infinity never ends, so how can your past never end?


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Re: Creation Vs Infinity [Re: LittleBen]
    #4541352 - 08/16/05 07:03 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

infinity for sure

does'nt mean god is'nt infinite... and since god is infinite, then their is no first cause, because god created us and guides from infinity.


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Re: Creation Vs Infinity [Re: LittleBen]
    #4541401 - 08/16/05 07:41 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

creation is just infinity with added complications.

there is no first cause. you always start with infinity, whether this is existence itself, or some abstract 'god' that creates existence.


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Re: Creation Vs Infinity [Re: LittleBen]
    #4542028 - 08/16/05 01:22 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Math... Some say it is a Universal language.

Think of the number 0.

Technically, it isn't really a number per se, since in reality 0 = Nothing.

Yet, all the natural numbers, that can literally go on for infinity, springs forth from 0.

Logically, 0 IS the 0rigin... Some say it IS The Infinite, Eternal N0W moment. Some say it IS the Ground of All Existence... And some say that this very "Ground" is the spacious nothingness from which all creation sprang forth... and is the simple, timeless awareness that permeates the entire Universe and is within every Being in Existence.
Some say it IS the Fabric of the Universe in which everything, including you and me are interwoven into.

And as I once said...

The deepest mindfuck... is that anything is even happening at all.


If I could ask God any one question:

"WTF, man?"




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Re: Creation Vs Infinity [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #4542128 - 08/16/05 01:45 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Oh yea, infinity could be labeled god but I dont necessarily see a point. If creation happened then there is definitely god so thats why I phrased my post the way I did.

Skorpivo - In infinity all unit systems are arbitrarily applied. Natural numbers cannot be infinite (no I do not believe in infinite space, only time and dimensions). So with the deepest mindfuck so directly acknowledged, you leaning towards infinity or causation? Looks like infinity is ahead in the poles.


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Re: Creation Vs Infinity [Re: LittleBen]
    #4542137 - 08/16/05 01:48 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

it's too big


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Re: Creation Vs Infinity [Re: redgreenvines]
    #4542156 - 08/16/05 01:51 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Creation Vs Infinity [Re: LittleBen]
    #4542407 - 08/16/05 02:59 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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If creation happened then there is definitely god so thats why I phrased my post the way I did.




And if creation of the God happened then there must be a God's God who's superinfinite. :shocked:


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