Icelander said:

That is the mood of a warrior. He is geared only to struggle. He uses his controlled folly. Don Jauns words were for warriors. The average guy sees everything as either a blessing or a curse. So for him everything matters.

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Icelander said:

It's important, but not serious.

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Uh huh. 

OldWoodSpecter said:

but why do we have to go on living as it does matter?

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redtailedhawk said:

OldWoodSpecter, let?s say you don?t have any relatives left except the family of your own. Even then, you find yourself lucky. You are married to a wonderful woman, who you love and who loves you in return deeply and passionately. You have two great children, who you also love and make you a proud and a happy father. Life is good and you are happy and content.

Then one day, you get a phone call from the local hospital. The doctor on the phone is nervous and can barely explain to you that your wife and children were seriously injured in a car accident a few hours ago and that there was nothing they could do about it. They all died.

Once you would ask yourself ? and trust me you would ? why had they died, would you be content with your answer of ?they got hit by a car?. Would you leave it at that?

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redtailedhawk said:

Once you would ask yourself ? and trust me you would ? why had they died, would you be content with your answer of ?they got hit by a car?. Would you leave it at that?

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It doesn't matter what one would be content with, it is the only perceivable truth regarding the matter. Acceptance of every aspect of reality as it occurs is true spirituality, in my humble opinion, not creating unsubstansiated, baseless beliefs to try to comfort oneself after one's emotionally-bound expectations of reality aren't fufilled.


Peace.

redtailedhawk said:

The majority of people don't seek the meaning of life or a deeper explanation to the nature of existence until they are severely traumatized in some way. Before this happens, they go on living their happy little life's, consciously ignorant of suffering, illness, violence, death and other darker realities of life. But in time these realities force themselves into every man's psyche, destroying the myth of life as a happy fluffy fairy tale where all things will eventually work out and we will live happily ever after.

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You see, we are debating all sorts of questions here in a light and funny way, thinking they are of no importance, but the truth is there comes a time in each of our lives when we need to address these same questions in a profoundly serious way, because we don't have a choice anymore.

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ld I live if everybody I loved is dead? Why has God allowed this to happen? Why all the suffering? Why are we here? A person in pain is looking for a meaning. He is looking for answers and he's not finding these questions amusing.

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A person in pain is experiencing pain because their expectations and demands of reality have been unfufilled. Reality has altered in such a manner as to no longer fufill these demands (such as seeing a loved one breathe again), and reality opposes what you expect of it in such a way that it simply must be accepted - it is a riptide that carries on regardless of how much you struggle agansit it. One either ceases to struggle agansit reality, fully accept it, and allow reality to define itself, or one updates their mind with further delusion that further seperates one from the flow of reality (belief  ).

So the person is forced to "search for meaning" in order to reprogram their mind in such a way as to no longer suffer as a result of unfufilled demands of reality. Someone who is simply accepting of reality and all of its variables, states, and progressions never has to face this and never has to enter such a state of creating for themselves such serious meaning to life. One who directly perceives reality and its finer and subtler energies will never suffer as they do not oppose reality by unnecessarily defining it and expecting results from it or becoming attached to it.

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Sure we can and should live our lives instead of just talking about them,

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As long as one is technically alive, I wonder if it is possible for one to not live their life.... 

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These facts force us to strip down all the illusions we are left with and reevaluate our lives. That's why it matters.  That's what Philosophy and Spirituality are all about.

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Eliminating illusions and expectations and demands of reality are important, from my perspective, but it is impossible to declare that they are necessary and that it "matters". Updating illusions and comforting oneself with belief lie opposite from "philosophy and spirituality".


Peace.

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yea, but reflect on what? It's so simple. there is gravity, there are a few needs (watter, food) and the rest is up to your imagination

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k.i.s.s. 
reflect to simplify?

OldWoodSpecter said:

yea, but reflect on what? It's so simple. there is gravity, there are a few needs (watter, food) and the rest is up to your imagination

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You have a good point here. The vast majority of all that we concern ourselves with exists as abstration that only exists within our own minds. I do not personally feel that a good portion of this abstraction is necessary or beneficial. These abstractions seperate ourselves from a conscious experience of the awareness of the present moment. Our experience of reality while subjected to abstraction appears to be diseased and incomplete, without essence, dead....


Peace.