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does it matter?
    #4438194 - 07/22/05 03:33 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Here we all are, old and young, thinking about all these things, spending days and nights on a forum like this talking and talking, thinking about all kinds of stuff, trying to understand anything..

Should we not live life instead of try and understand it. Is it possible to understand life? Is there anything to understand at all?


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Re: does it matter? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4438216 - 07/22/05 03:40 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

The absolute nature of reality is that their is no absolute nature of reality. Ignorance is not bliss.


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Re: does it matter? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4438217 - 07/22/05 03:41 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

you are living your life.. :smile:

"don't try to be somewhere else, than you are!"
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Re: does it SPACE? [Re: Stoned_Druid]
    #4438219 - 07/22/05 03:41 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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Stoned_Druid said:
The absolute nature of reality is that their is no absolute nature of reality. Ignorance is not bliss.




change will always change! :P


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Re: does it matter? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4438231 - 07/22/05 03:44 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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OldWoodSpecter said:
Here we all are, old and young, thinking about all these things, spending days and nights on a forum like this talking and talking, thinking about all kinds of stuff, trying to understand anything..

Should we not live life instead of try and understand it. Is it possible to understand life? Is there anything to understand at all?




yep, pretty much, off you go!


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Re: does it matter? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4438402 - 07/22/05 04:11 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Should we not live life instead of try and understand it
You only can understand life, if you live it.

(But don't forget to take some offs sometimes, to reflect - I think thtat's major part of what we are doing here :wink: [edit: hopefully to the finest and blissfulest ways ever imagined, as the topic of this board is some obligation])


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Re: does it matter? [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #4438434 - 07/22/05 04:18 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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BlueCoyote said:
Should we not live life instead of try and understand it
You only can understand life, if you live it.

(But don't forget to take some offs sometimes, to reflect - I think thtat's major part of what we are doing here :wink:)





yea, but reflect on what? It's so simple. there is gravity, there are a few needs (watter, food) and the rest is up to your imagination


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Re: does it matter? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4438479 - 07/22/05 04:26 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

The reflections about the spiritual and philosophical aspects of everyone he experiences in everydaylife ?
For me, for ecxample, it get more an more obvious, that money negates the rules of morality... The more money the less morality... but thats only an example of what condenses for me... there is, for sure, some intersection for everyone, to find a solution for the problems of everyone...in real live...


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Re: does it SPACE? [Re: Gomp]
    #4438506 - 07/22/05 04:31 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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Gomp said:
Quote:

Stoned_Druid said:
The absolute nature of reality is that their is no absolute nature of reality. Ignorance is not bliss.




change will always change! :P





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Re: does it matter? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4438527 - 07/22/05 04:36 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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OldWoodSpecter said:
Should we not live life instead of try and understand it. Is it possible to understand life? Is there anything to understand at all?




trying to understand is a way of life.

does it matter? that is relative. does it matter to what? ourselves? yes, it might while we are alive, but it won't matter to us when we're dead and gone. why don't we all just kill ourselves so we don't have to wonder about these things? and i pose that as a serious question.

socrates said "the unexamined life is not worth living". i agree with him in the explicit meaning of that statement, but not necessarily in what it implies - that the examined life is worth living.

we follow the course of nature, as do animals, plants, the planets, the galaxies, and the universe itself. the laws that exist but were never written. i believe it is a mystery that will never be solved.


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Re: does it matter? [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #4438553 - 07/22/05 04:41 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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BlueCoyote said:
The reflections about the spiritual and philosophical aspects of everyone he experiences in everydaylife ?
For me, for ecxample, it get more an more obvious, that money negates the rules of morality... The more money the less morality... but thats only an example of what condenses for me... there is, for sure, some intersection for everyone, to find a solution for the problems of everyone...in real live...




But are there philosophical and spiritual aspecs of anything?
What is philosophy and spirituality anyway?


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Re: does it matter? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4438754 - 07/22/05 05:30 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

does it matter if it matters or not?

uh oh... :cool:


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Re: does it matter? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4438921 - 07/22/05 06:12 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Cosmic entertainment. :whacker: :starwars: :psychsplit: :mushroomgrow: :eyeball: :rockon: :jester: :drooling: :rofl: :wink: :cool:


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Re: does it matter? [Re: Icelander]
    #4439188 - 07/22/05 07:13 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

hear, hear. Icelander's got the idea. :smile:

Everything beyond our needs is for entertainment purposes. Does philosophy and spirituality really "matter"? Things that interest you are the only things that matter  :wink: :crazy2:


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Re: does it matter? [Re: Stoned_Druid]
    #4439434 - 07/22/05 08:23 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

The majority of people don't seek the meaning of life or a deeper explanation to the nature of existence until they are severely traumatized in some way. Before this happens, they go on living their happy little life's, consciously ignorant of suffering, illness, violence, death and other darker realities of life. But in time these realities force themselves into every man's psyche, destroying the myth of life as a happy fluffy fairy tale where all things will eventually work out and we will live happily ever after.

Once the myth is destroyed, by traumatizing events such as death of a child or a partner, rape, blindness, HIV or cancer diagnosis, etc., then the dramas and banalities of our daily lives move away to make room for the really important questions in life.

You see, we are debating all sorts of questions here in a light and funny way, thinking they are of no importance, but the truth is there comes a time in each of our lives when we need to address these same questions in a profoundly serious way, because we don't have a choice anymore. Why should I live if everybody I loved is dead? Why has God allowed this to happen? Why all the suffering? Why are we here? A person in pain is looking for a meaning. He is looking for answers and he's not finding these questions amusing.

Sure we can and should live our lives instead of just talking about them, but in the light of the whole reality of living, where there is joy as there is sorrow, life as there is death, nothing is eternal and where we shall all eventually die not knowing what is on the other side, if anything at all. These facts force us to strip down all the illusions we are left with and reevaluate our lives. That's why it matters. That's what Philosophy and Spirituality are all about.


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Re: does it matter? [Re: redtailedhawk]
    #4439441 - 07/22/05 08:26 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

It is our emotions that make something sad in life. There are ways to deal with emotions. If they feel unpleasant and you seek pleasure, you can remove them or convert them with internal or exteral means.


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Re: does it matter? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4439456 - 07/22/05 08:33 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

"It doesn't matter that nothing matters. We must go on living like it does." - Don Juan Matus

(I'm not sure if thats the exact quote, but you get the idea.)


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Re: does it matter? [Re: redtailedhawk]
    #4439470 - 07/22/05 08:38 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

You see, we are debating all sorts of questions here in a light and funny way, thinking they are of no importance,
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Nice post as usual Redtail,  but you got me wrong. I may be light and funny at times, but I know everything is important. It's just that I don't take it seriously. I have experienced loss, and you forgot that some of us deliberately evoke the tramatic ego crush, with the use of psychedelics. It's important, but not serious. I sure wish you would post in S&P more. :heart: :mushroom2:


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Re: does it matter? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #4439473 - 07/22/05 08:40 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

MushmanTheManic said:
"It doesn't matter that nothing matters. We must go on living like it does." - Don Juan Matus

(I'm not sure if thats the exact quote, but you get the idea.)




but why do we have to go on living as it does matter?


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Re: does it matter? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4439487 - 07/22/05 08:43 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, emotions make something sad. But to be a full living human being one should accept emotions as part of itself. I doubt labeling some difficult emotions such as sadness as negative and try to mask, transform or medicate them will do the trick, except cause additional complications like depression down the road.

Emotions have a reason for being there. Sadness for example helps you slow down, feel your losses, and release that which needs to be released, to soften into the flow of life, instead of holding yourself rigidly and pushing ever onward. When you reject sadness, you cannot be rejuvenated; therefore your energy and your flow will be impeded by your unmet needs, unsaid words, unshed tears. When you move into the softened releasing posture of sadness, you can uncouple yourself from the ideas, situations, or people you have attached yourself to. Then and only then rejuvenation and relaxation will follow.
That is the gift of sadness.


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