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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Swami]
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All you need is Love! Really thats it! Infinite Unconditional Love! Just develop that and all else will fall into place perfectly!

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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Swami]
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Swami said:
Adoration and insult have about the same effect. My "power" does not come from without.


Right! Your power is from within. They are giving up their power. You have nothing to do with that. Which is the point I have been working on here. :mushroom2:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: egghead1]
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:lol:

Egg, I want to get stoned with you and watch VP's notoriously bad, "The Last Man on Earth".


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Swami]
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Don't give him any ideas.


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I am what Willis was talkin' bout.

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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Icelander]
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yes

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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Swami]
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Swami said:
but sometimes i think he is too skeptical

I should accept every fifth bullshit story as gospel? I should inquire only part-way? I should not probe too deeply and quit before any truth or lie is uncovered?

Explain.


Asking questions is bad. The government told me so.


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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Jellric]
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hahahahahahhahah Swami is tha shit!  :mushroom2: :crazy2: :thumbup:


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"It is never a question of belief; the only scientific attitude one can take on any subject is whether it is true. The law of gravitation worked as efficiently before Newton as after him. The cosmos would be fairly chaotic if its laws could not operate without the sanction of human belief." -- Sri Yukteswar

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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Psychoactive1984]
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Why make such a big deal about Swami? He just seems to be light-hearted and cuddly to me. He asks a few questions, sometimes in almost a Socratic way, but all that really does is stimulate conversation for the most part. Only those with weak arguments and strong egos get offended by a few questions and pointing out of contradictions.

I think the only reason anyone's "anti-Swami" is because Swami asks enough questions to dispel the illusion of some that this forum is just a place to post arbitrarily created New Age beliefs that have no evidence and just receive a few supporting comments from some yes men. Actually asking questions, pointing out absurd elements and providing other explanations is beyond the comprehension of some who think that philosophy is just a game of who can make up the most annoying belief and still have followers.


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So long as you are praised think only that you are not yet on your own path but on that of another.

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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Ravus]
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People naturally don't like to have their assumptions/beliefs challenged, which Swami appears to be very good at doing. He seems to be providing an essential service to the forum, ideas need to be scrutinised, otherwise it would simply be a free-for-all egofest, with the most persistent loud person always prevailing. Having to justify your beliefs sort of prevents that in a way.


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'Everything that can be counted does not necessarily count; everything that counts cannot necessarily be counted' - Albert Einstein

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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Psychoactive1984]
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I like Swami.


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The secret to being funny is to say smart things stupidly, or is it stupid things smartly? Whatever..it's not rocket surgery...or something like that.

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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: CaRnAgECaNdY]
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What qualefies as truth?

Why do you trust NASA over...say...me?

I like Swami too, if we didn't have a creative critter like him, this forum would be boring, and I would have nowhere to put my sarcastic remarks.

I just question his questioning, and I also question the logic he deems as the truth. As it should be, I suspect.

Anyway, I think that nessie and ufo's and face on mars may all be tricks or frauds of some sorts, but what the fuck does that have to do with spirituality and philosophy?

I can't see anything spiritual about parading around claiming that we're all the same nutjob that Swami saw on some twisted discovery documentary, commenting about a ten feet hairy gorilla called sasquatch - yet my eyes and foolish illusions perhaps decieve me.

Anyway anyway.

Swami, I have a suggestion: Start a thread about something you like, something you enjoy, something with content. Lay the truth on us.

And I don't mean "tear down the fabric of some grand illusion" truth, that is just refute - I mean real insight as to what it *is* rather than what it is not. If possible.

I would enjoy that. :smile:


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The argent messenger of truth beyond truth, the antithesis of life, cruel and bleak as interstellar space, pulseless and frozen as absolute zero, dazzling with the frost of irrefragable logic and unforgettable fact.

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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: slaphappy]
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Hey :thumbup: I was just thinking the same thing last night. I would love to know you better Swami. :heart: :mushroom2:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Swami]
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Swami said:
Many here ask how I can be so eogotistical to feel that I am nearly always right and that is a fair question. The answer is equally simple.

Experience, research and historical reinforcement (perspective).

The pyramid power nuts of 30 years ago have all but faded away. The popular "Secret Life of Plants" and "Chariots of the Gods" have been totally debunked. The 8mm Bigfoot film, the faerie and Nessie photographs were all ADMITTED frauds. Roswell turned out to be a top-secret mogul balloon. The Harmonic Covergence failed to converge (as will the 2012 hocum). Gulf Breeze UFOs and The Marfa Lights and the Phoenix Lights were exposed.

People wailed and moaned when I pissed on the "Face on Mars" and the alleged nearby Martian City. NASA confirmed what I ALWAYS stated: It was a trick of light run through the pattern-recognition filter of the human brain.

And on and on. NOT ONE SINGLE PARANORMAL claim has EVER been shown to be true. That is unlikely to change. EVERY SINGLE PERSON taking a SWAMI CHALLENGE has failed to deliver. (Shroomism: could use that herb for my upcoming 50th birthday bash in June!)

You see folks, I was once the wide-eyed young believer, but it is hard to keep up that position with ZERO reinforcement.

I have demonstrated time and time again how people are easily tricked. Do I know "THE ANSWERS"? Not even close, but I do know "THE QUESTIONS"!  :stoned:


Your answer is as fallacious as the arguments you use to refute the issues that follow. Appealing to authority and arguing from ignorance are not truths in my book, they shouldn't be in yours or in anyone else for the sake of a fair discussion :wink: .
Why do you nearly always try to disregard this facts ?

MAIA


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Spiritual being, living a human experience ... The Shroomery Mandala



Use, do not abuse; neither abstinence nor excess ever renders man happy.
Voltaire

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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: slaphappy]
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I have a suggestion: Start a thread about something you like, something you enjoy, something with content. Lay the truth on us.

What is preventing YOU from doing that?


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Swami]
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I'm preoccupied with "the swami issue" right now, thank you. :wink:


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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: MAIA]
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Your answer is as fallacious as the arguments

An empirical approach that has NEVER failed me and has proven itself correct time after time for decades is fallacious? Um, OK.

Guess the better approach is to glom onto whatever seems cool and trendy and unsubstantiated at the time. (Like 2012 and shrooms from space nonsense.)


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Swami]
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:thumbup: :grin:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Swami]
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Swami said:
An empirical approach that has NEVER failed me and has proven itself correct time after time for decades is fallacious? Um, OK.


Yes, ad antiquitatem.
Btw, any empirical approach is mostly abstract. Applying conclusions drawn by such process and hypostatizing under such conditions is unfair to the discussion.
Look at truth as an exit on a maze. Your approach might shorten the path and bring you near to the exit on the maze, but that doesn't mean you wont find a wall in the last 5 meters. Sometimes, we need to take a longer path, walk through the unknown and then finally find the exit. You're not right, you're not wrong, none of us are ... until we find the exit.

Swami said:
Guess the better approach is to glom onto whatever seems cool and trendy and unsubstantiated at the time. (Like 2012 and shrooms from space nonsense.)


Now, something must be false because it hasn't been proved true, huh :laugh: ?
ad ignorantiam

MAIA


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Spiritual being, living a human experience ... The Shroomery Mandala



Use, do not abuse; neither abstinence nor excess ever renders man happy.
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: MAIA]
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Now, something must be false because it hasn't been proved true, huh ?
ad ignorantiam

I see. It is ignorance to discard all learning. Just because the last 99 times you stuck your hand in a fire you got burned, doesn't mean the next time you will, eh?


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Swami]
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Learning is useful when it becomes knowledge. Therefore, you discard some learning, but not all learning. Otherwise, you'll never get to know anything.

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Just because the last 99 times you stuck your hand in a fire you got burned, doesn't mean the next time you will, eh?


I don't know. Memory gets lazy when i smoke too much weed ...

Anyway, referring to 2012, be it to agree with what could happen or what won't happen is pure speculation. Anyone drawing any conclusion about such issue is committing a fallacious argument. Can you prove i'm wrong about this ?

MAIA


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Spiritual being, living a human experience ... The Shroomery Mandala



Use, do not abuse; neither abstinence nor excess ever renders man happy.
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