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OfflineAaronEvil
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Shooting up schools is soooo 5 years ago.
    #3957368 - 03/23/05 01:47 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I heard about the school shooting today while I was at work. The thing that disturbed me the most was that the kid was able to get police equipment to carry out the attack. Ok, so my thought was "If we are trying to fight terrorism (like many of our political leaders say) shouldnt we start at home by keeping POLICE EQUIPMENT away from insane children?" How is it possible for a kid to get police equipment? Simple, he took his grandfathers. I do not have a degree of any sort at the moment (I am in the process) but my limited schooling helps me come to the conclusion that maybe we need to keep our guns, vests, CAR KEYS, and other POLICE EQUIPMENT locked up. If police were required to leave their equipment (Including weapons) at the station when they clock out, there would be a little bit more security. Maybe that wouldnt have stopped this kid from shooting up his school, but at least it would have stopped him from using the cities equipment. Now we cant blame a stupid parent for not locking up their guns, we can only blame ourselves.


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Re: Shooting up schools is soooo 5 years ago. [Re: AaronEvil]
    #3957427 - 03/23/05 02:03 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Shooting up schools is soooo 5 years ago. [Re: AaronEvil]
    #3957497 - 03/23/05 02:29 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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AaronEvil said:
If police were required to leave their equipment (Including weapons) at the station when they clock out, there would be a little bit more security.



It would seem that there would be less security as then there would be more armed criminals and citizens with concealed weapons permits with weapons in public than trained police officers.

Other than that, the fact that it was his grandfathers' POLICE EQUIPMENT and not just any Cops would reflect that he had access to the equipment because of a family connection and not because just any policeman had his equipment out of the station.

I do agree those types of items should not be easily accessible to minors without competent, informed and safety minded instruction.


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Re: Shooting up schools is soooo 5 years ago. [Re: California]
    #3957552 - 03/23/05 02:49 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

stoopid stoopid parents... you let another psyco make middle america panic and blame marylin manson again didnt you?

prevent highschool shootings early... pull out, and aim for her chin


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Re: Shooting up schools is soooo 5 years ago. *DELETED* [Re: roby000]
    #3957942 - 03/23/05 05:59 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Shooting up schools is soooo 5 years ago. [Re: ricochet]
    #3957949 - 03/23/05 06:03 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Shooting up schools is soooo 5 years ago. [Re: ricochet]
    #3958955 - 03/23/05 01:26 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)


fyi, LNSG = Libertarian National Socialist Green (Party)

That is one hell of a combination.


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Re: Shooting up schools is soooo 5 years ago. [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3958975 - 03/23/05 01:31 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Is that what they're calling the Nazi party now?


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Re: Shooting up schools is soooo 5 years ago. [Re: ricochet]
    #3960326 - 03/23/05 05:21 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I find it interesting that this guy praises the kid in his acts of brave "sacrifice", along with those he killed. First of all, gunning down a group of kids unsuspecting of an assualt and then killing yourself for it is a cowardly, selfish, and cruel act. The individual at the head of this nationalist party stated clearly that society is to blame for this unfortunate act. Yet with his praise and acceptance of what happened, it seems clear to me that the type of societal change he wants must come from the blood of innocent citizens. What kind of reasoning is that? This country may have problems, but they certainly won't be fixed when violent acts are condoned, if not encouraged, over an interview that ended up turning into a mouthpiece for an extremist political group. How contradicting.

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Re: Shooting up schools is soooo 5 years ago. [Re: DNKYD]
    #3960391 - 03/23/05 05:32 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Onlinetork900, I agree with your points. I think the person being interviewed hit on some of the problems but didn't offer any viable, non-extremist solutions. what points he did make became too diluted with idiotic rhetoric and endorsements for the LNSGP.

however:

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RandalFlagg said:

fyi, LNSG = Libertarian National Socialist Green (Party)

That is one hell of a combination.



indeed. it's actually a very well-played fantasy/troll/comedy act that has amusingly (to me) gained an actual following by those who don't realize it's a joke. go figure.


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DNKYD said:
Is that what they're calling the Nazi party now?



no.


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Re: Shooting up schools is soooo 5 years ago. [Re: DNKYD]
    #3960511 - 03/23/05 05:53 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

DNKYD said:
Is that what they're calling the Nazi party now?




http://www.nazi.org/

can a indian be a Nazi?


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Re: Shooting up schools is soooo 5 years ago. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #3960548 - 03/23/05 06:01 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Minnesota School Shooter was a Nazi
The Guardian By way of Drudge





Jeff Weise, the 17-year-old named in newspaper reports as the gunman in the Red Lake school shooting, may have been investigated last year in connection with a shooting threat to the school, according to posts made on a Nazi website.

Over a five-month period between March and August 2004, someone identifying himself as Weise posted numerous messages on a talkboard hosted by Nazi.org, the website of the Libertarian National Socialist Green party. The party promotes a Nazi philosophy of racial purity.

In March 2004, a chatroom participant tagged Todesengel ("angel of death") began a thread titled "Native American Nationalist?" and introduced himself as "Jeff Weise, a Native American from the Red Lake 'Indian' reservation in Minnesota". Todesengel expressed interest in joining the party and said he had done a great deal of research on Hitler, a man he much admired. Later in the thread, Todesengel changed his tag to NativeNazi. "When I was growing up, I was taught (like others) that Nazi's were (are) evil and that Hitler was a very evil man, ect," wrote Todesengel, in a quote not corrected for spelling and grammar. "Of course, not for a second did I believe this. Upon reading up on his actions, the ideals and issues the German Third Reich adressed, I began to see how much of a lie had been painted about them. They truly were doing it for the better."

On April 19 2004, he posted to the talkboard: "By the way, I'm being blamed for a threat on the school I attend because someone said they were going to shoot up the school on 4/20, Hitlers birthday, and just because I claim being a National Socialist, guess whom they've pinned?"

By May 26 the incident seemed to have blown over, with Todesengel posting: "But the school threat passed and I was cleared as a suspect, I'm glad for that. I don't much care for jail, I've never been there and I don't plan on it."

The gun rampage through the remote northern Minnesota reservation yesterday left 10 people dead. Reports suggested that Weise took a shotgun and at least one handgun belonging to his grandfather, a veteran local police officer. He shot his grandparents, who later died, before moving on to Red Lake high school and killing five students, a teacher, a security guard and ultimately himself.

Today the Libertarian National Socialist Green party said incidents such as yesterday's shooting were to be expected when "thinking people are crammed into an unthinking, irrational modern society".

"We knew [Weise] briefly through 34 posts he made on the forum. He expressed himself well and was clearly highly intelligent and contemplative, especially for one so young," the site's administrator said in statement posted today on Nazi.org.

"Weise participated in the forum in part because, unlike 'white nationalist' or 'white power' movements, the LNSG embraces all races as part of its vision of world nationalism. His statements on the site reflected a frustration with the populist politics and materialistic arrogance of modern society," the statement continued.

In a July 13 post, NativeNazi expressed his concern that Native Americans had turned their backs on racial purity and were being weakened by "interracial mixing". He was particularly annoyed that young Native Americans were copying the culture of African Americans.

"Where I live less than 1% of all the people on the Reservation can speak their own language, and among the youth wanting to be black has run ramped. We have kids my age killing each other over things as simple as a fight, and it's because of the rap influence. Wannabe-gangsters everywhere, I can't go 5 feet without hearing someone blasting some rap song over their speakers," he complained.

He went on: "It's hard though, being a Native American National Socialist, people are so misinformed, ignorant, and close minded it makes your life a living hell."


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Re: Shooting up schools is soooo 5 years ago. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #3962493 - 03/24/05 12:35 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

hahha.....it sure does look like it...gotta keep tabs on that.


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Re: Shooting up schools is soooo 5 years ago. [Re: tork900]
    #3962791 - 03/24/05 01:41 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Maintaing racial "purity" and maintaining your culture are two very different aspects. I guess he couldn't grasp this concept or maybe he didn't want to. Most New National Socialists ideals revolve around segregation of races and culture. I agree that alot of people are misinformed about the National Socialist ideologies and this misinformation is proliferated by almost everyone in popular culture. I also acknowledge the fact that acts by the National Socialist German Worker's Party across Europe were horrific. However, I think that the demonization of one ideology has blanketed most of our society from seeing the ills of our own progression of hate & terror. It seems that this person blamed his own people for their racial "impurity" but it wasn't them who wished to have their people destroyed. It wasn't the jews that wished for anti-semitism. LNSG party, that's a unique combination if I have ever seen one.


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Re: Shooting up schools is soooo 5 years ago. [Re: trick]
    #3965985 - 03/24/05 07:43 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I want to bump this thread so please excuse me for the double post. I learned today that his life was fairly troubled and though that isn't an excuse for his actions it is a precursor to his acts. His father shot himself after a day long stand off with the police. His mother died from brain damage that resulted in a car accident while she was intoxicated. He had been living with his grandparents ever since.


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Re: Shooting up schools is soooo 5 years ago. [Re: trick]
    #3967091 - 03/25/05 12:49 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, unfortunately I dont find his past as an excuse to kill anyone but himself. If he had taken only his life I would be fine (some people just arent meant to live). My only beef is that he got police equipment (even if it was his grandfathers). City property and police issued gear should be better protected than that. I also disagree with the admin to that neo-nazi forum he posted on. Its not society that caused the kid to shoot people, it was that forum and the irrational ideas that the admin was discussing in the interview above. If society was to blame, society would condone shooting other and killing family. The problem is, society doesnt, that forum does.


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Re: Shooting up schools is soooo 5 years ago. [Re: AaronEvil]
    #3967109 - 03/25/05 12:53 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

These kids are all feeling the same thing.


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Re: Shooting up schools is soooo 5 years ago. [Re: AaronEvil]
    #3967795 - 03/25/05 09:11 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Whatever. A simple internet forum, no matter how important the internet is to your life, did not cause this boy to shoot up his school.

Go drive through a northern Minnesota Indian reservation and then you'll figure out why he did it....


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Re: Shooting up schools is soooo 5 years ago. [Re: AaronEvil]
    #3967837 - 03/25/05 09:57 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Look up Jeff Weise on Wikipedia, there are several links to a collection of posts he made on a bunch of fascist web sites.

I read some of what he wrote, and he was apparently some self proclaimed "Native Nationalist Nazi" who hated virtually all other Natives because they apparently had no Native pride or culture, and acted like blacks.

This kid was obviously sick and stupid. He confused various political ideologies with one another, posted at a socialist website as a "Proud Nazi" and reportedly had a habit of calling other kids at school "Communists".

My thoughts on the subject.. when one is still in high school, it becomes a little world of sorts. It seems virtually all school shooters are loners who take a comfort in extreme Right wing ideologies. Once in awhile these benighted youngings see it fit to create their own mini-holocaust. It's quite sad really, because chances are if Jeff Weise or the Columbine killers simply toughed it out for a few years, by the time they're in their early 20s they would likely have lost all interest this strange teenage subculture of gothic hitlerism. Even the most extreme adult fascists can see how utterly childish it is to shoot up your high school and off yourself afterwards in the name of Adolf Hitler. The general evil and ignorance that is within humans evidently surfaces once in awhile in such events. If Hitler were born today, chances are he would end up shooting up his high school as a teenager before rising to power as a fascist dictator.

And finally, yes... School shootings are definately a Pre-9-11 thing. These days disillusioned youths take out their anger on the Bush Administration instead of their peers.


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Re: Shooting up schools is soooo 5 years ago. [Re: AaronEvil]
    #3967841 - 03/25/05 10:01 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

AaronEvil said:
Yeah, unfortunately I dont find his past as an excuse to kill anyone but himself. If he had taken only his life I would be fine (some people just arent meant to live). My only beef is that he got police equipment (even if it was his grandfathers). City property and police issued gear should be better protected than that. I also disagree with the admin to that neo-nazi forum he posted on. Its not society that caused the kid to shoot people, it was that forum and the irrational ideas that the admin was discussing in the interview above. If society was to blame, society would condone shooting other and killing family. The problem is, society doesnt, that forum does.




His grandfather protected his police gear. Jeff Weise shot his grandfather to get it. I don't know why you're bent on the police gear issue. It doesn't matter how well secured his police gear was, this kid shot his grand dad to get it.


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