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Invisibleluvdemshrooms
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British schools....
    #1894938 - 09/08/03 05:39 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

.... must be just slightly better than American ones.


Monday, Sept. 8, 2003
Brits Forgetting Their Empire

There have been numerous articles bemoaning American students? lack of knowledge on historical facts and figures, but a recent survey conducted in Great Britain demonstrates that amnesia regarding national heritage is not limited to the United States.


The study, coordinated by YouGov, a research company regarded as one of United Kingdom?s most accurate pollsters, suggests that millions of British ? especially young people ? have limited or no knowledge at all about British imperial history.


YouGov questioned 2,327 adults across Great Britain.


Half of the survey?s respondents were unaware that the United States' 13 colonies represented the crown jewel of Great Britain?s 18th century possessions. Fewer than one in three knew that King George III sat on the British throne during the American Revolution.


The vast majority of respondents know that Zimbabwe and Sri Lanka were once part of the British Empire, and that China never was. But more than one in four think that the former Dutch East Indies - now Indonesia - were once British.


Most Britons are aware that Lord Baden-Powell founded the Boy Scouts and that the pilgrims sailed to America in the Mayflower. However, only two-thirds know that India split into two parts - India and Pakistan.


Survey results show that younger Britons are less knowledgeable about their nation?s heritage than are their elder counterparts - but there are still older folks who are clueless.


For example, an amazing 41 percent of the 18-34 age group did not know that Canada was once a British dominion. The figure among respondents 65 and older is just 8 percent - but that's still 8 percent who don't know that Canada once belonged to Great Britain.


Still, the average correct response for individuals 65 and older was more than 50 percent higher than the youngest age bracket.


Amazingly, respondents were baffled by pictures of the eminent Britons featured on their own money ? the ?5, ?10 and ?20 notes.


Most people recognized Charles Darwin, who appears on the ?10 note, but only one in three identified Elizabeth Fry, the pioneer prison reformer whose portrait appears on the back of every ?5 note.


Many respondents thought that the man on ?20 bills is Lord Kitchener, who is famous for his World War I recruitment poster, "Your Country Needs You." Only one-fourth correctly answered Edward Elgar, who composed the Enigma Variations and is one of England?s most renowned composers.


The Prince of Wales is appalled at the historical ineptitude. At a meeting with historians, Prince Charles chastised "fashionable ideas of experts and educationalists" which resulted in traditional history being neglected in schools - in particular the history of the British Empire.


One eminent historian who attended the meeting insisted that teaching British history without giving it pride of place was like "Hamlet without the prince.?


YouGov began its survey by asking whether people agreed with Prince Charles, that schools should allocate more time to imperial history. Only 39 percent believe that the subject should be given a significant place in school curriculum. Sixty percent still feel pride that their country once had a great empire.

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Re: British schools.... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1897437 - 09/09/03 09:48 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

As someone who was educated in a British school let me say this: They're shit. I know next to nothing about anything.

If that sentence even makes sense.


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Re: British schools.... [Re: Revelation]
    #1897453 - 09/09/03 09:57 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Same here, but some of those people must have been at least slightly mentally impaired....


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Re: British schools.... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1897455 - 09/09/03 09:57 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Aren't you for testing,Luv? That shit certainly doesn't help.

I would like to point out that in 10th grade English instead of actually learning grammer and literature,we spent months on learning test taking skills for the Florida FCAT. That and the fact that our school was more worried about the dress code, weeding out marijuana,and molding us in to little automatons than actually teaching us things was the reason I dropped out of high school.


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Re: British schools.... [Re: monoamine]
    #1897469 - 09/09/03 10:05 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Aren't you for testing,Luv? That shit certainly doesn't help.



It would if people (the teachers) didn't already know what was on the test.

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I would like to point out that in 10th grade English instead of actually learning grammer and literature,we spent months on learning test taking skills for the Florida FCAT.



See the above.

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That and the fact that our school was more worried about the dress code, weeding out marijuana,and molding us in to little automatons than actually teaching us things was the reason I dropped out of high school.



Having been out of high school for more than a few years, in hindsight I think....
1. ALL schools should require uniforms so as to eliminate one source of friction and distraction.
2. Kids in school would do well to stay away from drugs.
3. Kids shouldn't be molded into anything by the gaggle of left wing teachers we suffer fromtoday. Neither should the few right wing teachers mold kids into anything.


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Re: British schools.... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1897480 - 09/09/03 10:12 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

You have to wear uniform in all British schools,( at least comprehensive ones) until your your 17..... It was like being in a club but not.....


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Re: British schools.... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1897488 - 09/09/03 10:18 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

What's with the teachers knowing what's on the test have to do with anything?

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1. ALL schools should require uniforms so as to eliminate one source of friction and distraction.




I think letting kids wear whatever the fuck they want would be a better solution.

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Kids in school would do well to stay away from drugs




I think that's true for a lot of dumbshits,but I learned more dropping acid and smoking weed during high school than in highschool.


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Kids shouldn't be molded into anything by the gaggle of left wing teachers we suffer fromtoday. Neither should the few right wing teachers mold kids into anything.




I don't no where you went to school,but I certainly don't remember many lefties. I think the fact that we were reading the Crucible and the teacher totally failed to point out anything about McCarthyism is a testement to that fact.

School testing...

1. is expensive
2. isn't supported by a majority of teachers
3. is a distraction
4. isn't effective
5. unfair (the schools with good scores get more money and the bad ones get less-makes Reaganomic sense I guess).


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Re: British schools.... [Re: st0nedphucker]
    #1897492 - 09/09/03 10:20 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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You have to wear uniform in all British schools,( at least comprehensive ones) until your your 17..... It was like being in a club but not.....


When I was in school I probably would have hated the idea even though my parents didn't have money for the latest fashions.

Now having the "coolest" clothes cost's an arm and a leg and kids are mocked because they can't fit in. Kids are just too brutal to one another these days. It's sad.


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Re: British schools.... [Re: monoamine]
    #1897504 - 09/09/03 10:28 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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What's with the teachers knowing what's on the test have to do with anything?



Sheesh.... because then teachers teach to the test instead of giving a well rounded education.


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I think letting kids wear whatever the fuck they want would be a better solution.



Sure, let's let the many rich snots tease and torment the poorer ones.


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I think that's true for a lot of dumbshits,but I learned more dropping acid and smoking weed during high school than in highschool.



Yes, it sure appears that way.


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I don't no where you went to school,but I certainly don't remember many lefties. I think the fact that we were reading the Crucible and the teacher totally failed to point out anything about McCarthyism is a testement to that fact.



Read some studies on the views of most teachers. Then we can have a reasonable discussion on this.

*School testing...

1. is expensive (gotta pay if you wanna play)
2. isn't supported by a majority of teachers (in fear of losing their jobs after people see what crappy teachers they are)
3. is a distraction (what's a distraction is the trouble makers they allow to stay in schools)
4. isn't effective (right)
5. unfair (the schools with good scores get more money and the bad ones get less-makes Reaganomic sense I guess). (kids can learn in any school if they are motivated and have the desire)


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Re: British schools.... [Re: monoamine]
    #1897520 - 09/09/03 10:36 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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I think letting kids wear whatever the fuck they want would be a better solution.




Not always true. Sometimes it is better as poorer parents dont have to feel guilty for not being able to afford the latest "in" clothes and poorer chidren dont have to face the social stigma of not wearing the latest fashions.


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Re: British schools.... [Re: GazzBut]
    #1897522 - 09/09/03 10:37 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

You said that better than I did.


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Re: British schools.... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1897543 - 09/09/03 10:48 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Sheesh.... because then teachers teach to the test instead of giving a well rounded education. 




What the hell are you talking about? I was talking about learning " test taking skills" (basically cheating) instead of the subjects we should have been learning.

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Sure, let's let the many rich snots tease and torment the poorer ones. 




Wouldn't forcing kids to wear uniforms be one of those "Socialist" policies you claim to loathe so much? I though you were all about social and economic darwinism. C'mon,the kids could have gotten jobs or their parents could have gotten better ones? :grin:



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Yes, it sure appears that way. 




Yep,it was.Dropping out was probably one of the best decisions I ever made.

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gotta pay if you wanna play) 




No shit? I dunno,maybe instead of using that money they could have bought new books or hired more teachers? I guess that just makes too much sense.

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(in fear of losing their jobs after people see what crappy teachers they are) 




I don't know how it is elsewhere,but schools are given a grade in Florida,not the teachers.There's no way to narrow it down to specific teachers and punish them.

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what's a distraction is the trouble makers they allow to stay in schools 



What's this have to do with testing? I agree,if serious trouble makers are causing that much of a distraction they should be kicked out,but that certainly wasn't a problem in my school where you had to ask permission to cough or fart.


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right 




Finally we can agree on something.

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(kids can learn in any school if they are motivated and have the desire)   




That's true,but kids are more likely to want to learn if they are in an environment where they have basic necessities and people appear to give a shit. This testing shit just makes it worse for poorer schools and gives money to schools that don't need it.


 


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Re: British schools.... [Re: monoamine]
    #1897564 - 09/09/03 10:59 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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What the hell are you talking about? I was talking about learning " test taking skills" (basically cheating) instead of the subjects we should have been learning.



That's teaching to the test. It's the term they use in just about every story I've read on standardized testing.

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Wouldn't forcing kids to wear uniforms be one of those "Socialist" policies you claim to loathe so much? I though you were all about social and economic darwinism. C'mon,the kids could have gotten jobs or their parents could have gotten better ones? :grin:



Yes they could, but uniforms would be easier for all. Once the little shitheads are out of school let them buy whatever they want.



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Yep,it was.Dropping out was probably one of the best decisions I ever made.



Sorry but the no flame rule prevents me from responding.

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No shit? I dunno,maybe instead of using that money they could have bought new books or hired more teachers? I guess that just makes too much sense.



No, it doesn't. See the semi-recent thread about school books. As to more teachers, you still need to know if they are doing their job and that requires testing.

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I don't know how it is elsewhere,but schools are given a grade in Florida,not the teachers.There's no way to narrow it down to specific teachers and punish them.



Wrong. If a teacher has a significant percentage of students fail, that's a pretty good indicator that there's a problem.

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What's this have to do with testing? I agree,if serious trouble makers are causing that much of a distraction they should be kicked out,but that certainly wasn't a problem in my school where you had to ask permission to cough or fart.



If a class has a troublemaker it makes it more difficult for the other kids to learn. It's kind of like going to a movie.... you want to pay attention but jackasses around youmake it difficult. It's worse in a class because you don't have the option to leave and come back another time.


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Finally we can agree on something.



Seems sarcasm is something you missed out on.

[quoteThat's true,but kids are more likely to want to learn if they are in an environment where they have basic necessities and people appear to give a shit. This testing shit just makes it worse for poorer schools and gives money to schools that don't need it.



I agree to the first, disagree with the second.




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Re: British schools.... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1897605 - 09/09/03 11:22 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

We're going to have to continue this debate later,I'm tired and I'm going to sleep.

I just want to say before I leave that it's obvious that you know little about how standarized testing really works. You sound like you work for a company that makes these things or something.

If you have so much faith in testing,my IQ is 144.If yours is lower than mine,by your logic I'm more intelligent than you and my arguements should be stronger than yours.Fortunately, I don't think you can measure something so complex as intelligence or how schools are doing by a fucking simplistic 30 minute test.
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Sorry but the no flame rule prevents me from responding.




Flame away,I don't care. I have a bonafide diploma from the community college and I probably learned more on my own in the two years of high school that I missed than most of my peers.


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Re: British schools.... [Re: monoamine]
    #1897617 - 09/09/03 11:25 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Actually mine is about 8 points higher. So what?

To say I know little about standardized testing is a assumption you were foolish to make.


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Re: British schools.... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1897633 - 09/09/03 11:34 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

/bows down to emperor of reductionism and standardized testing


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Re: British schools.... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1897645 - 09/09/03 11:41 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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about 8 points higher.




Awsome,they're so good they measure in fractions of a point now? They must be really on the money with those newer tests .

By golly,you are about 6% smarter than I.


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Re: British schools.... [Re: monoamine]
    #1897766 - 09/09/03 12:44 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

A good example of why you should have stayed in school.

I said 8 points, not 8/10 ths of a point.


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Re: British schools.... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1897808 - 09/09/03 12:58 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Dude,are you drunk or something? Well the hell is this 8/10 hoobajoob? You said "about 8 points". Why did pick 8 instead of 10,and if you don't know your score exactly,you should have said it's "somewhere around there". So I took "about" as meaning a fraction.

If the Qualudes haven't kicked in fully yet: I was pointing out how something so complex could not be measured by a single test and applied in any kind of sane manner.

I'm beginning to think that that Berkeley study might actually be credible.
Maybe you should have dropped out?


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Re: British schools.... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1897827 - 09/09/03 01:04 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Oh,did you take that IQ test before all the freebase?


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