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Super-shrooms (DMT infused from desmanthus) :):):):)
    #3832093 - 02/25/05 10:12 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Last night myself and my partner put together a few jars as per standard PF tek, :thumbup: the only unusual part being that there is the extracted tryptamine alkaloids of Desmanthus illinoensis (or Illinois bundleflower) rootbark evaporated into/onto the vermiculite :grin: . The concentration of tryptamines is pretty high and we expect the potency of our little babies to be quite high. (one-hit-shit as it were :wink: ) One thing that was puzzling me was why not very many people at all have done anything similar (I know a couple have, but I'd expect lots of people to be doing things like this.)

:eek: :mushroom2:If anyone has any questions or comments please post them......... THANKSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS :mushroom2: :eek:


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Re: Super-shrooms (DMT infused from desmanthus) :):):):) [Re: YourNameHere]
    #3832197 - 02/25/05 10:49 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

people don't want to use one drug to make another. Many people would say you're wasting good dmt. I think that's the general thought behind why most people don't do it.


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Re: Super-shrooms (DMT infused from desmanthus) :):):):) [Re: lonebuddha]
    #3832292 - 02/25/05 11:32 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

yup, lonebuddha is correct, why not just use tryptamine.hcl to do it?
(thats assuming you can find/make some).


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Re: Super-shrooms (DMT infused from desmanthus) :):):):) [Re: Elemicin]
    #3832405 - 02/25/05 12:22 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Well, for one thing, people are less likely to be turned off of eating a shroom than smoking some root bark extract, and these mushies will be the most potent that most people will ever see I believe.


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Re: Super-shrooms (DMT infused from desmanthus) :):):):) [Re: YourNameHere]
    #3833716 - 02/25/05 06:14 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Well..Not very advanced i have to say...

I am sure people have tried it ,use the search engine to see all kinds of supplementations,ever DPT in the substrate in oredr to be converted to 4-OH-DPT.

Now,i hope you did some math on the concentration Of DI rootbark to find out if you have sufficient DMT to produce a sufficient rise in potency...

You dont give us many info..Such as the alkaloid concntration of DI,how many jars you did ,what method did you use to make the crude DI extract,how much DMT you calculated (if you calculated that is) that will go into the substrate and so on and so forth...

A word of caution! Dont expect the given DMT to be absorbed by the mycelium 100%.Also do NOT expect 100% of the DMT absorbed to be converted in actives....

That is if your extract had 100 mg DMT and of that 50% of DMT is absorbed and 50% metabolised to psilocin you have 25mg of DMT converted into good... Now,if the total yield is 60 fresh gramms of mushrooms you are going to have 4.16 mg of psilocin more per 10 fresh gramms...You think you could detect that with a bioassay?

(To make things less complicated i left out the variance of potency between fluches and individual mushrooms which would furtherly complicate things)


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Re: Super-shrooms (DMT infused from desmanthus) :):):):) [Re: YourNameHere]
    #3836810 - 02/26/05 02:14 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Did you add freebase DMT? You'd need to use a DMT salt to get the best (if any) results; freebase will remain insoluble in water unless your pH is way off.


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Re: Super-shrooms (DMT infused from desmanthus) :):):):) [Re: AuroricDistortions]
    #3851637 - 03/01/05 01:21 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Well, I agree I find it SO strange, a message forum as big as this, that not many people have tried this..

It is SOOO easy and fast to extract DMT, mimosa root bark is dirt cheap, like $100/kg and you can get up to 10g DMT from that. It takes me about 8 hours to go from 100g bark to about a gram of DMT. Most of that time is just waiting. I can easily just put the freebase into an acetic solution (hcl water or whatever) and could add it to a jar(s). Extracting DMT is like baby stuff compared to growing shrooms, I have enough DMT to wipe my ass with, so its not really 'wasting' a drug. Its so cheap and easy, much easier than getting tryptamine hcl or whatever.


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Re: Super-shrooms (DMT infused from desmanthus) :):):):) [Re: radio879]
    #3852798 - 03/01/05 05:15 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I agree; no drugs are being wasted here, they are being used. If he wanted DMT then he would just make it. But he wants DMT Mushrooms, and thus he is making it. Good luck and let us know how they are. Here is my tip: Leaving jars for an extra week or two after FULL colonization will result in much much more potent shrooms. This is probably because the mycelia becomes "stronger." And by stronger we really mean it has just had a chance to assimilate more glucose (food). So i would say to really get the DMT up into the fruits, let them jars sit for a while in a vey dark but well aired out place for 2-4 weeks after full colonization (or at least a couple jars in case your impatiant). ~Peace~


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Re: Super-shrooms (DMT infused from desmanthus) :):):):) [Re: YourNameHere]
    #3856206 - 03/02/05 10:01 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I look forward to hearing about the results of your experiment.

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!!!UPDATE TO SUPERSHROOMS!!! [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #3856347 - 03/02/05 10:47 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Well, my interweb connection is down at my house so that's why I haven't updated this thread in a few days. And because I'm on a school library's comp so I cant go into much detail ATM, but thanks to all of you who think that its not a waste, and thanks darkie for the suggestion, good idea.

So far I have inoculated the jars (a couple Qt. jars/no DMT; four DMT saturated half-pints; a couple plain cakes with a almost half-inch layer of DMT containing verm that hopefully will become colonized enough to hold together when taken out of the jar.)

ATM there is no visible mycelium; it has been 5 days I believe (2/25/05) and I don't remeber how fast spores "took" in my other Ops so im kind of worried lol.

I have them is a specialized seed-starting tray container. It has a large styrofoam bottom that insulates, with a light in it to heat the bottom of a platic try on to, the has a slear plastic greenhouse type thing on top. I'll take pics and post ASAP, but IDK when that will be.

Ummm... what else, oh yeah, the concentration of DMT is known, but not off the top of my head but it is a sufficient amount. I think it was around 3mg per jar but I could be way off


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Re: !!!UPDATE TO SUPERSHROOMS!!! [Re: YourNameHere]
    #3856351 - 03/02/05 10:48 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I'll be back for more info-posting ASAP but since my comp is fucked ATM IDK when...

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Re: Super-shrooms (DMT infused from desmanthus) :):):):) [Re: Psiloman]
    #3860386 - 03/03/05 12:51 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

DMT isn't absorbed, per se, it's converted. Enzymatic action is near 100% efficient so I'm actually fairly sure that most of the DMT would be 4-hydroxylated.


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Re: Super-shrooms (DMT infused from desmanthus) :):):):) [Re: SoopaX]
    #3860894 - 03/03/05 03:00 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Ummm... what else, oh yeah, the concentration of DMT is known, but not off the top of my head but it is a sufficient amount. I think it was around 3mg per jar but I could be way off




Did you really mean only 3mg or more like 300mg? Hopefully 300!

Also, does anyone have an idea what a "limit" would be for how much DMT you could put in, and how much of it would get converted to psilocin/cybin? saturation point?

Also would any (or much) of the added DMT be converted while in the mycellium stage, or would it be mostly when its fruiting?


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Re: !!!UPDATE TO SUPERSHROOMS!!! [Re: YourNameHere]
    #3861036 - 03/03/05 03:37 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

You should mix the DMT with salvia and smoke it.  That's quite interesting...  :slider: :tripping: :slider: :zoom: :zoom: :zoom:


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Re: Super-shrooms (DMT infused from desmanthus) :):):):) [Re: radio879]
    #3862287 - 03/03/05 02:15 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

All unknown, other than the amount of DMT per jar. That could be figured out but I'd need more info. Since it's not my write up, I'll leave it to someone else. I think that the enzymes would convert most of the DMT into psilocybin, I'm not sure what other tryptamines are present or the route that the enzymes would take in dealing with them. I'm also not sure how much of the "excess" psilocybin would make it's way into the fruits. I'm about 100% sure that they will be more potent, however.


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Re: Super-shrooms (DMT infused from desmanthus) :):):):) [Re: SoopaX]
    #3863496 - 03/03/05 05:57 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

yeah, since this forum is all about all kinds of mushroom cultivation.. making them more potent/etc.  If this works well, I would think people would catch on and learn how easy extracting DMT is (and cheap, fast), and start adding some.  I wish there was a mega DMT thread, where people would experiment with different amounts/etc and eventually figure out how much you can put in before any more doesn't help it.  Also how potent they become.  If almost 100% of the DMT would be 4-OH'd, well in theory, heh.. a few grams of DMT which cost so cheap, in however many jars, however many shrooms are grown well 2-3g of psilocin/cybin is a LOT :smile:.  I'd love to do an extraction on all of that and have a pretty vial of mostly psilocin/cybin.

I guess as long as the ph of the water is below 7 (adding hcl to it i guess) then you'll have water with DMT Hcl solution when you add freebase DMT to it.

I don't have much space but I could inoculate a few jars, make one normal and the other two add different amounts of DMT, although right now i'd have to figure out a place to fruit it.  Hmm... me really wants to try this bad :smile:.


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Re: Super-shrooms (DMT infused from desmanthus) :):):):) [Re: radio879]
    #3863599 - 03/03/05 06:18 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I finally got my computer fixed which makes me very happy. I checked the jars today, still no growth; while two jars showed signs of a yellowish nastyness that smells sour. How long does the average germination of spores to visibility levels take? If these don't colonize I'm going to be pissed, just because I really would be wasting DMT. But, of course it won't be too bad; basically everything used for growing mushies is very cheap.

Thanks for the support

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Re: Super-shrooms (DMT infused from desmanthus) :):):):) [Re: YourNameHere]
    #3864924 - 03/03/05 10:35 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

well there should not be a sour smell there is bacteria.

i will growing some out door patches and barn patches on straw are there some natural source's of dmt that could be added to the straw?
i remember Reading something about some grass ? some time back that if i remember right had dmt it i wish i had a few 80lbs bales of that


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Re: Super-shrooms (DMT infused from desmanthus) :):):):) [Re: YourNameHere]
    #3865199 - 03/03/05 11:27 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

if you feed lsd to a marijuana plant do you get acid weed? NO.


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Re: Super-shrooms (DMT infused from desmanthus) :):):):) [Re: TODAY]
    #3865839 - 03/04/05 02:08 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

You should get 4-HO-DMT when adding DMT to mushie substrate.

I'm thinking that the DMT might have thrown your pH way off, and that's why nothing's growing. I could be way off. Give 'em time and it just might happen, yet.

Next time, maybe you should noc' em up with liquid mycelium.


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