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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: MOTH]
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"Maybe it's just me, but one person does not make a forum.

S&P will go on, with or without Swami. "

I did read it and I don't think you understood what the uproar is about. A two week ban don't mean nothing. He can come back...if he wants. The problem is that if you can get banned for honest self expression the forum loses value as a means of expression.


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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: Fucknuckle]
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What a display this is. I hope you all go to sleep tonight, come back tomorrow, and re-read this thread the entire way through, take a step back, and see how you appear. This is degenerating into completely juvenile behavior, and it all started because Fucknuckle thought Swami was indirectly calling him a child molester. Sheesh.  :shake:

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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: silversoul7]
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silversoul7 said:
I'd just like to say that Spirituality and Philosophy have one common goal: the pursuit of truth. In pursuing truth, one must be prepared to do away with illogical or unrealistic beliefs. In this respect, "hostile debunkers" such as Swami play a vital role in that forum. Perhaps the Swami-haters here are not as committed to truth as they believe themselves to be. Swami has "ripped apart" many of my posts, but did I get offended and whine to the mods? No. I took it for what it was--constructive criticism. It's a sad day for reason and common sense when debunking is considered an offense.



With all due respect SS7, I think you are being too kind to Swami. I do not share the same the regard for his debating style, and quite frankly I have never felt the slightest bit challenged or threatened by it. He is a strong thinker, but he falls prey to his own prejudace. If his posts really were that valuable I would agree, but I don't think they are. Swami takes a certain conventional notion of things abitrarily and then takes a skeptical position to everything else, never questioning the assumptions he stands on. That is just an opinionated person. Like Ellemyshade said, one person does not make a forum. In fact, I think when somebody takes on the role of an antagonist, or any other static or unwavering view, the community deteriorates. That's what politics is, not the search for truth.

That and I believe that a little civility and respect for other people is a good thing. The way he dismissed others ideas and viewpoints as ignorant or stupid did not make for a positive environment. Nothing is wrong with skepticism, but having a freindly community matters. Many SP posters are not the kind you find in OTD.
I don't really support banning him, but I'm not putting on any rose-colored glasses either.


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1. "After an hour I wasn't feeling anything so I decided to take another..."
2. "We were feeling pretty good so we decided to smoke a few bowls..."
3. "I had to be real quiet because my parents were asleep upstairs..."

Edited by Divided_Sky (12/13/04 07:02 PM)

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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: Divided_Sky]
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The way he dismissed others ideas and viewpoints as ignorant or stupid did not make for a positive environment.

Got any examples of him doing this?


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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: Divided_Sky]
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The way he dismissed others ideas and viewpoints as ignorant or stupid did not make for a positive environment.


I'm kinda new here so maybe you could help me out.

Can you point me to the thread(s) where this Swami guy dismissed others' ideas and viewpoints as ignorant or stupid, please?

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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: looner2]
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looner2 said:
So it is obvious that Swami's ban wasn't because of his actions, but the mods wanting to change the overal structure of S+P. Very respectable of them



I think they envision a forum where people can come in, spout their beliefs, and everyone else is required to either agree or politely keep quiet. It will be like MA&L, where somebody draws a stick figure and everybody lets loose a flow of insincere accolades. Everybody's right. There's no logic. Only sunshine.

trendal implied that there's a fundamental difference between the purposes of S&P and PA&L, just as there's a difference in purpose between the Pub and OTD. He kinda skipped over the fact that both the Pub and OTD are for general discussion. I'll once again suggest that maybe S&P needs to be split up as well. One forum where people can actually debate and critique each other. And some sort of kiddie corner subforum for those who are personally offended when someone dares to question their beliefs. I, along with many other people, would prefer the first forum. If people don't like my stick figure, I want to know all about it, so I can keep working on making a better one. And if my belief in a certain metaphysical phenomena might be wrong, I want people to tell me about it, as long as they don't directly flame me.


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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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It has become clear to me that at this point the mods have circled wagons and nothing will change. I don't think some of you helped Swami's cause (which is our cause) by becoming angry- as understandable as that may be. That only hardened the mods hearts and probably took away any chance we had to promote reason. C 'est la vie.

Yup, reason has been cast aside, and simple primate politics will prevail. I am sorry to see the mods act in this way. Sad to say, I have lost a lot of respect for you, guys. The integrity of this forum has taken a big hit over this. [I could say much more about that, but it would only throw more fuel on the fire and get us even further from rationality if that's possible.]

I appreciate that a mod is damned if you do, and damned if you don't, all the more reason to get it RIGHT. It isn't too late to do that you know? Disregard other's personal views (even your own) and get it right, guys.

In case anyone is wondering, Swami is doing just fine- I spoke with him earlier. He's getting a big laugh out of this I think. But it is a shame he will be banned, even temporarily- we need adult supervision now more than ever! To me, banning someone over the Christmas holidays is a lot more mean spirited than any supposed nuanced insult Swami ever delivered.

Merry Freakin' Christmas!
Hoo- ray.


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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: Jellric]
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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: Chalupa]
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As I pointed out early he linked belief in any form of God with senility and weak mindedness when it was apparent EgoTripping was promoting the idea of deism.


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1. "After an hour I wasn't feeling anything so I decided to take another..."
2. "We were feeling pretty good so we decided to smoke a few bowls..."
3. "I had to be real quiet because my parents were asleep upstairs..."

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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Huehuecoyotl said:
"Maybe it's just me, but one person does not make a forum.

S&P will go on, with or without Swami. "

I did read it and I don't think you understood what the uproar is about. A two week ban don't mean nothing. He can come back...if he wants. The problem is that if you can get banned for honest self expression the forum loses value as a means of expression.


Yes, I understand that, I was just trying to stay neutral on this in my answer. I guess I can see where both sides are coming from.

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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: Divided_Sky]
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If he feels that it's a valid point to make, then why shouldn't it be allowed?

What if it's demonstrated that there actually is a link between senility and theism? Should we not be allowed to discuss it because it might offend some people?


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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: Divided_Sky]
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As I pointed out early he linked belief in any form of God with senility and weak mindedness when it was apparent EgoTripping was promoting the idea of deism.

what thread is that?


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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: adrug]
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adrug said:
What a display this is. I hope you all go to sleep tonight, come back tomorrow, and re-read this thread the entire way through, take a step back, and see how you appear. This is degenerating into completely juvenile behavior, and it all started because Fucknuckle thought Swami was indirectly calling him a child molester. Sheesh.  :shake:


You are to much blind to see the reasons. They have been explained quite throughly and it has absoluty nothing to do with his view points or my complaint. In fact I had nothing to do with any of it.

OPEN YOUR HEARTS AND EYES PEOPLE :laugh:


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It is as it is, so suffer thru it.

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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: looner2]
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In the thread about the famous philosopher now believing in god, Swami pointed out that a lot of older people go to church and tend to believe in god.

Apparently this was an insult.  :rolleyes:


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"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
http://phluck.is-after.us

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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: Phluck]
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Swami is the S&P 'Occam's razor'. And razors are known to hurt.He is/was always cynical but that is his style---->"NO bs Lets get to the point".

If this is an attempt at humbling Swami, then the folks are just a bunch of people who are abusing power to gain authority. Reminds me of religions/Govts and their cartelisation.

This one stinks bad and everyone but a few with personal vandettas would agree with moi.

Deeply Sadened

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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: Phluck]
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Thats a fact.


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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: Asante]
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Wiccan_Seeker said:
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Perhaps the Swami-haters here are not as committed to truth as they believe themselves to be.



Excuse me, but I don't see "Swami-haters" in this thread. I see people who felt hurt by him and people disagreeing with what the majority of the management gave him a 15 days ban for.


Somebody sure sounds defensive. If you can show me what part of my statement indicated that I was referring to anyone in this thread, I'd like to see it.


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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: spudamore]
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The creator of this thread has requested its closure:
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spudamore said:

can you please delete the remove swamis an thread in Website Announcements and Feedback what it has become is not what i wanted to happen people have gone overkill and needs to be stopped.


The mods brought this matter up for discussion long before any action was taken, Swami was politely PM'd about his behavior and requested to stop getting under people's skin, not to stop expressing his beliefs. This ban is temporary so hopefully Swami will be able to participate and express his beliefs while also exhibiting tolerance/respect towards other's views upon his return. As many of you know, I am not active in S&P these days, so I am supporting this ban based upon the good judgement of our moderating team who openly discussed this issue at length. If in the future, a permanent ban is requested, his case will be thoroughly reviewed before making any final decision.


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